[DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 28 18:45:18 EST 2017
Uh wait, I think Asa Jay conveniently forgot to mention he sold his Pantera!
Welcome to the Pantera Community Steve.
Julian
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From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:37 PM
To: Himes, Terry (397C)
Cc: Julian Kift; The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
For those that don't know, I purchased Asa Jay's Pantera last year. Currently being built into a vintage FIA GR3 racer.... I should have introduced myself properly.
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com<mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com>> wrote:
Isn't there is an option to ask the seller questions, and the questions I believe are visible. Perhaps a few well placed questions????
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:
eBay does protect you from scams. I have gotten my money back before
from bad sellers before, without hassle.
Your mileage may vary.
I like the registry and the fact that everyone is so engaged. Warm
fuzzes.
But I'm not sure someone new to the Pantera world knows who to contact.
I know I certainly didn't in 2000. I was clueless.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261<tel:%28818%29%20393-6261>
Cell: (818) 653-8213<tel:%28818%29%20653-8213>
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From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf
of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:14 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[4]detomasoregistry at gmail.com<mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com>>, List
DeTomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
God forbid but I wonder what happens if eBay choose to let this run its
course and someone gets burned, given they have been notified of
potential scam?
The seller is supposedly located in Tewksbury, MA and the car
advertised as in San Francisco, although someone else was told the car
is in Michigan.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf
of Julian Kift <[7]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:06 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
Seller says this is chassis# 4277, which is not in the registry to
verify, but certainly photos are of 4275.
Julian
________________________________
From: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:35 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
eBay may be reluctant to immediately kill it as no VIN is listed to
verify the actual vehicle for sale. Albeit underhanded sellers will
often use generic photos to represent items for sale.
Also the seller has a 74 feedback, normally these scam artists have
single digit feedback for a few low dollar purchases to build some
credibility, maybe it is a hacked account too.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf
of The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[10]detomasoregistry at gmail.com<mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:25 PM
To: List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
Steve L. spotted this eBay auction
[11]http://www.ebay.com/itm/112316750098
and asked me about it. Auction looks suspicious to us both.
Finding the car in the registry, I contacted the last known owner to
verify,
as he recently bought it in December. He says the advert is not his,
and the car is not for sale.
Some people are bidding. Ebay has been contacted about the scam, but
have not yet killed the auction.
Hopefully anyone bidding is smart enough to use the registry, and learn
the truth, and protect themselves.
Hate to have anyone scammed.
So I am posting this, for anyone not yet connected to the registry.
Chuck
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
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Uh wait, I think Asa Jay conveniently forgot to mention he sold his
Pantera!
Welcome to the Pantera Community Steve.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:37 PM
To: Himes, Terry (397C)
Cc: Julian Kift; The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
For those that don't know, I purchased Asa Jay's Pantera last year.
Currently being built into a vintage FIA GR3 racer.... I should have
introduced myself properly.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888
[1][SGL-Email-Logo.jpg]
Please note our new Scottsdale address. Our phone and fax numbers
remain the same.
Scottsdale Office | P: 480.535.6656 | F: 480.535.6628 | A: 7689
East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Chicago Office | P: 312.752.4357 | F: 312.896.5633 | A: 55 E.
Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Steve Lisa <[3]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
Isn't there is an option to ask the seller questions, and the questions
I believe are visible. Perhaps a few well placed questions????
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: [4]312-320-5888
[5][SGL-Email-Logo.jpg]
Please note our new Scottsdale address. Our phone and fax numbers
remain the same.
Scottsdale Office | P: [6]480.535.6656 | F: [7]480.535.6628
| A: 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Chicago Office | P: [8]312.752.4357 | F: [9]312.896.5633 | A: 55 E.
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[11]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
eBay does protect you from scams. I have gotten my money back
before
from bad sellers before, without hassle.
Your mileage may vary.
I like the registry and the fact that everyone is so engaged. Warm
fuzzes.
But I'm not sure someone new to the Pantera world knows who to
contact.
I know I certainly didn't in 2000. I was clueless.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: [12](818) 393-6261
Cell: [13](818) 653-8213
Fax: [14](818) 393-3147
[1][15]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: DeTomaso <[2][16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Julian Kift <[3][17]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:14 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[4][18]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>,
List
DeTomaso Forum <[5][19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
God forbid but I wonder what happens if eBay choose to let this run
its
course and someone gets burned, given they have been notified of
potential scam?
The seller is supposedly located in Tewksbury, MA and the car
advertised as in San Francisco, although someone else was told the
car
is in Michigan.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[6][20]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Julian Kift <[7][21]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:06 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
Seller says this is chassis# 4277, which is not in the registry to
verify, but certainly photos are of 4275.
Julian
________________________________
From: Julian Kift <[8][22]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:35 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
eBay may be reluctant to immediately kill it as no VIN is listed to
verify the actual vehicle for sale. Albeit underhanded sellers will
often use generic photos to represent items for sale.
Also the seller has a 74 feedback, normally these scam artists have
single digit feedback for a few low dollar purchases to build some
credibility, maybe it is a hacked account too.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[9][23]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[10][24]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:25 PM
To: List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
Steve L. spotted this eBay auction
[11][25]http://www.ebay.com/itm/112316750098
and asked me about it. Auction looks suspicious to us both.
Finding the car in the registry, I contacted the last known owner to
verify,
as he recently bought it in December. He says the advert is not
his,
and the car is not for sale.
Some people are bidding. Ebay has been contacted about the scam,
but
have not yet killed the auction.
Hopefully anyone bidding is smart enough to use the registry, and
learn
the truth, and protect themselves.
Hate to have anyone scammed.
So I am posting this, for anyone not yet connected to the registry.
Chuck
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
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