[DeTomaso] New Pantera?
Daryl Adams
daryl.architect at gmail.com
Wed Dec 13 12:51:20 EST 2017
Further proof to the old saying that, with few exceptions, sequels are
rarely as good as the original.
On Dec 13, 2017 11:46 AM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> So this does not appear to be Tom Kim’s deal…? I thought he was building
> the new Pantera?
>
> http://autoweek.com/article/supercars/ares-project-panther-coach-built-
> lamborghini-huracan-pop-headlights?utm_source=
> DailyDrive20171213&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=headline-
> center&utm_content=body&utm_campaign=awdailydrive
>
> Ed
>
>
> > On Dec 13, 2017, at 09:38, Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Chuck,
> >
> > This brings up an interesting concept of slow evolutional changes, over
> > years vs. a redesign of a classic that has not evolved.
> >
> > The Pantera redesigns are all from the '71 model and not the '73 or GT5
> > models, interesting.
> >
> > I think the slow evolution changes are more acceptable then a massive
> > redesign all at once.
> >
> > Let's look at people in this concept. The cave man was much shorter and
> > hairier then modern men (like the guys I went to high school with) and
> would
> > not appeal to the modern woman (other than the girls I went to high
> school
> > with) today.
> >
> >
> > Larry (slow is good) - Cleveland
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of cengles at cox.net
> > Sent: December 13, 2017 11:47 AM
> > To: jjdetrich at gmail.com
> > Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
> >
> > Dear Jeff,
> >
> >
> > I have been thinking about this. I agree with Tom
> > Tjaarda's comment. I also would note three other notable sports cars:
> > the Porsche 911, the Corvette and the Mustang. Unlike the Pantera, all
> > of them have continued through the decades. Their styling has not
> > remained unchanged, but has evolved. The evolutionary iterations of
> > each have not always been better and better, i.e. the Mustang II. All
> > three of them have had very successful designs that incorporated the
> > fundamental characteristics of their ancestors.
> >
> > I do like the recent design although it does not the have
> > perfect proportions of the Tjaarda design. It is mostly correct, in my
> > opinion, and it is unlikely that we shall see a perfect design for the
> > second generation Pantera.
> >
> >
> > Aesthetically yours, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
> >
> >> No radiator openings? Unless the 2 front ones at the outside duct to
> >> the
> >> radiator. Also I'm not really a fan of the rear end - too long and
> >> pointy.
> >> Current design for supercars is to have the rear wheels pushed as far
> >> back
> >> as possible. And the lines are probably too crisp compared to current
> >> cars.
> >> I sort of agree with Tom T, start over and come up with a new classic
> >> design.
> >>
> >> Just my 2¢ worth.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >> 6559
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Charles McCall
> >> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree - I like it, and think it is a worthy continuation of the
> >>> Pantera
> >>> line. Very nice update of the classic lines
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>> Of Julian Kift
> >>> Sent: martes, 12 de diciembre de 2017 16:30
> >>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
> >>>
> >>> This is the car the Chinese should have built.....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
> >>> panther-new-italian-super
> >>> car-lambo-base
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
> >>> panther-new-italian-supe
> >>> rcar-lambo-base>So many design cues I think Tome would be proud of, I
> >>> like a
> >>> lot. That said it's still a Lamb(o) in a Cat skin, shame it's not
> >>> going to
> >>> be a modern Ford V8 power.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Julian
> >>>
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Further proof to the old saying that, with few exceptions, sequels are
rarely as good as the original.
On Dec 13, 2017 11:46 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
So this does not appear to be Tom Kimas deala|? I thought he was
building the new Pantera?
[2]http://autoweek.com/article/supercars/ares-project-
panther-coach-built-lamborghini-huracan-pop-headlights?utm_source=
DailyDrive20171213&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=headline-
center&utm_content=body&utm_campaign=awdailydrive
Ed
> On Dec 13, 2017, at 09:38, Larry-Ohio Time Corp
<[3]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Chuck,
>
> This brings up an interesting concept of slow evolutional changes,
over
> years vs. a redesign of a classic that has not evolved.
>
> The Pantera redesigns are all from the '71 model and not the '73
or GT5
> models, interesting.
>
> I think the slow evolution changes are more acceptable then a
massive
> redesign all at once.
>
> Let's look at people in this concept. The cave man was much
shorter and
> hairier then modern men (like the guys I went to high school with)
and would
> not appeal to the modern woman (other than the girls I went to
high school
> with) today.
>
>
> Larry (slow is good) - Cleveland
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of [5]cengles at cox.net
> Sent: December 13, 2017 11:47 AM
> To: [6]jjdetrich at gmail.com
> Cc: [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
>
> Dear Jeff,
>
>
>A A A A A A I have been thinking about this.A A I agree with
Tom
> Tjaarda's comment.A A I also would note three other notable
sports cars:
> the Porsche 911, the Corvette and the Mustang.A A Unlike the
Pantera, all
> of them have continued through the decades.A Their styling has
not
> remained unchanged, but has evolved.A The evolutionary iterations
of
> each have not always been better and better, i.e. the Mustang
II.A A All
> three of them have had very successful designs that incorporated
the
> fundamental characteristics of their ancestors.
>
>A A A A A A I do like the recent design although it does not
the have
> perfect proportions of the Tjaarda design.A It is mostly correct,
in my
> opinion, and it is unlikely that we shall see a perfect design for
the
> second generation Pantera.
>
>
>A A A A A A A A A A A Aesthetically yours,A Chuck
Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
>
>> No radiator openings? Unless the 2 front ones at the outside duct
to
>> the
>> radiator. Also I'm not really a fan of the rear end - too long
and
>> pointy.
>> Current design for supercars is to have the rear wheels pushed as
far
>> back
>> as possible. And the lines are probably too crisp compared to
current
>> cars.
>> I sort of agree with Tom T, start over and come up with a new
classic
>> design.
>>
>> Just my 2A-c- worth.
>>
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Charles McCall
>> <[8]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree - I like it, and think it is a worthy continuation of
the
>>> Pantera
>>> line. Very nice update of the classic lines
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Julian Kift
>>> Sent: martes, 12 de diciembre de 2017 16:30
>>> To: [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
>>>
>>> This is the car the Chinese should have built.....
>>>
>>>
>>> [11]https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
>>> panther-new-italian-super
>>> car-lambo-base
>>>
>>>
>>> <[12]https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
>>> panther-new-italian-supe
>>> rcar-lambo-base>So many design cues I think Tome would be proud
of, I
>>> like a
>>> lot. That said it's still a Lamb(o) in a Cat skin, shame it's
not
>>> going to
>>> be a modern Ford V8 power.
>>>
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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