[DeTomaso] Tran Fortin 5-speed in a Pantera ?
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sat Aug 26 11:07:44 EDT 2017
The Quaife transaxle filled a void at a time when the GT40 replica market was booming and ZF's were hard to come by or an 18 month waiting list from RBT. I don't see it as a better alternative to a ZF which are readily available again and Quaife cost crept up from first envisaged to be comparable to a new RBT ZF.
Despite the verbiage on the Quaife site stating "We have manufactured and built over 100 of these high performance transmissions for GT40 and pantera owners...." there has never been a Pantera orientation Quaife transaxle produced.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 4:27 PM
To: George B
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum; The DeTomaso Registry Guy
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tran Fortin 5-speed in a Pantera ?
George,
I forgot to mention that even the Fortin has a weak reverse. I have broken
the Fortin 5 speed only once -- and it was because I was stuck in silt and
needed reverse to get out. I blew out reverse, and the bits found their
way every else, eventually taking out another gear, and then another, and
then another. But it was all due to me working reverse too hard. I doubt
you would have the problem in a street car.
But, as Les says, a dog tooth box will be noisy in a street Pantera,, but
at least the noise is out back and not between the two seats. I also find
the dog tooth box not all that easy to shift unless you match RPM - which
becomes a bit of a pain after a while for a street car. Great for racing,
not so much for the street. So, for these reasons (noise and more relaxed
street driving), I went with the Quaiffe for my GT40.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888
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On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 10:59 AM, George B <gkb1968 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Thanks for your detailed reply! That's great insite. I will call Fortin.
>
> Best regards,
> George
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
> Date: 8/25/17 12:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: George B <gkb1968 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>, List DeTomaso
> Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tran Fortin 5-speed in a Pantera ?
>
> George,
>
> I don't have much street experience with sequential gearboxes. Our
> desert transaxles are rebuilt every 2-3 races or 1000 miles, unless they
> break. So, even thought the fluids look good and we have no apparent
> issues, they go back that often. But keep in mind that during that period
> they will be shifted 40,000 times - our hand almost never leaves the
> shifter in the desert. In addition, the shock loads are incredible from
> jumps. boulders, suspension travel, etc.
>
> I have driven quite a few sequential gearboxes in road race cars,
> including in 24 hour races. Even full on road racing is nowhere near as
> abusive as the desert. For the endurance races, they asked the drivers to
> use the clutch on both upshifts and downshifts. I am not sure what the
> maintenance period is, but our dog tooth gearboxes were apart so often and
> we had so many gear set changes depending on the track - they were actually
> inspected 2-3 times a race weekend as part of practice, qualifying etc.
> So, the maintenance was in effect constant. Individual gearsets were
> constantly being replaced as needed.
>
> I would talk to Fortin, as I have never had one in my street car. But it
> is my guess that if one of their boxes was in a street Pantera, driven as
> you suggest (including a few track days), you should treat it no
> differently than any other exotic sequential no lift gear box. I would
> likely inspect it more than "required". But, I don't see why there would
> be any need to send it back more than every 3-4 years or 10,000 miles,
> unless you see or feel something wrong. So, every few months or few
> thousand miles drain it, look for scary bits, change the fluid, and pay
> attention. These gearboxes are now more expensive then some of our race
> motors, and we treat them that way. Like I said - customer service from
> Fortin is great - give them a call.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> Direct: 312-320-5888 <(312)%20320-5888>
>
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> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 9:21 AM, George B <gkb1968 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I have been thinking a lot about putting a sequential gearbox in my
>> Pantera. Have been on track with one a few times and it was really nice.
>> Fully manual sequential is far more enjoyable than floppy paddles.
>>
>> What is your guess on maintenance intervals if I were to use the clutch
>> for all up and down shift when driving in town and only using it as
>> intended for short bursts and 2 track days a year (always with a lift on up
>> shifts)?
>>
>> I need to find some mechanical drawings for the Fortinto see if it will
>> fit without cutting the body. I can cut up the bolt in cross member, but
>> not cool with cutting inner fenders or rear bodywork.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
>> Date: 8/24/17 8:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tran Fortin 5-speed in a Pantera ?
>>
>> We raced the Fortin 5 speed in our Class 10 desert car. It is a fantastic
>> gearbox. It can withstand the rigors desert racing. We have a Fortin 4
>> speed with torque converter in our unlimited (700 HP) desert car, and it
>> too is fantastic.
>>
>> We just sold our 5 speed for $15,000 (fresh rebuild), and upgraded to a
>> Fortin 6 speed no-lift sequentialsequential in our Class 10 car.
>>
>> Fortin's service is fantastic. They are great to deal with. However, we
>> care for the gearboxes like we do everything that is raced (and subject to
>> racing abuse). The gearboxes come are sent to Fortin at least once, and
>> sometimes twice, a year for "rebuilds" and maintenance. The bill on the
>> annual rebuilds are about $2000-$5000, depending on what we have damaged.
>> I suspect street use would require much less.
>>
>> For what its worth, I ordered three years ago the Quaife ZF for my GT40.
>> The price delivered, after a 5 month wait was about $15,000 (and it has
>> limited gearsets). See
>> http://quaife.co.uk/quaife-zf-tranxaxle-back-popular-demand/
[http://quaife.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/IMGP1183-e1415954243114.jpg]<http://quaife.co.uk/quaife-zf-tranxaxle-back-popular-demand/>
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Quaife GT40 gearboxes now available.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>> Direct: 312-320-5888 <(312)%20320-5888>
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>> >
>> >
>> > [1]www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/Unknown13
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>> > 307.asp
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The tranny is from [2]www.fortinracing.com/product17.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you know about this trans-axle ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Chuck
>> >
>> >
>> > The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>> >
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>> > References
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>> Unknown1307/
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>> > 2. http://www.fortinracing.com/product17.html
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The Quaife transaxle filled a void at a time when the GT40 replica
market was booming and ZF's were hard to come by or an 18 month waiting
list from RBT. I don't see it as a better alternative to a ZF which are
readily available again and Quaife cost crept up from first envisaged
to be comparable to a new RBT ZF.
Despite the verbiage on the Quaife site stating "We have manufactured
and built over 100 of these high performance transmissions for GT40 and
pantera owners...." there has never been a Pantera orientation
Quaife transaxle produced.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 4:27 PM
To: George B
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum; The DeTomaso Registry Guy
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tran Fortin 5-speed in a Pantera ?
George,
I forgot to mention that even the Fortin has a weak reverse. I have
broken
the Fortin 5 speed only once -- and it was because I was stuck in silt
and
needed reverse to get out. I blew out reverse, and the bits found
their
way every else, eventually taking out another gear, and then another,
and
then another. But it was all due to me working reverse too hard. I
doubt
you would have the problem in a street car.
But, as Les says, a dog tooth box will be noisy in a street Pantera,,
but
at least the noise is out back and not between the two seats. I also
find
the dog tooth box not all that easy to shift unless you match RPM -
which
becomes a bit of a pain after a while for a street car. Great for
racing,
not so much for the street. So, for these reasons (noise and more
relaxed
street driving), I went with the Quaiffe for my GT40.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888
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On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 10:59 AM, George B <gkb1968 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Thanks for your detailed reply! That's great insite. I will call
Fortin.
>
> Best regards,
> George
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
> Date: 8/25/17 12:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: George B <gkb1968 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>, List
DeTomaso
> Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tran Fortin 5-speed in a Pantera ?
>
> George,
>
> I don't have much street experience with sequential gearboxes. Our
> desert transaxles are rebuilt every 2-3 races or 1000 miles, unless
they
> break. So, even thought the fluids look good and we have no
apparent
> issues, they go back that often. But keep in mind that during that
period
> they will be shifted 40,000 times - our hand almost never leaves the
> shifter in the desert. In addition, the shock loads are incredible
from
> jumps. boulders, suspension travel, etc.
>
> I have driven quite a few sequential gearboxes in road race cars,
> including in 24 hour races. Even full on road racing is nowhere near
as
> abusive as the desert. For the endurance races, they asked the
drivers to
> use the clutch on both upshifts and downshifts. I am not sure what
the
> maintenance period is, but our dog tooth gearboxes were apart so
often and
> we had so many gear set changes depending on the track - they were
actually
> inspected 2-3 times a race weekend as part of practice, qualifying
etc.
> So, the maintenance was in effect constant. Individual gearsets were
> constantly being replaced as needed.
>
> I would talk to Fortin, as I have never had one in my street car.
But it
> is my guess that if one of their boxes was in a street Pantera,
driven as
> you suggest (including a few track days), you should treat it no
> differently than any other exotic sequential no lift gear box. I
would
> likely inspect it more than "required". But, I don't see why there
would
> be any need to send it back more than every 3-4 years or 10,000
miles,
> unless you see or feel something wrong. So, every few months or few
> thousand miles drain it, look for scary bits, change the fluid, and
pay
> attention. These gearboxes are now more expensive then some of our
race
> motors, and we treat them that way. Like I said - customer service
from
> Fortin is great - give them a call.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> Direct: 312-320-5888 <(312)%20320-5888>
>
> <[5]http://www.patentit.com>
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> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 9:21 AM, George B <gkb1968 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I have been thinking a lot about putting a sequential gearbox in my
>> Pantera. Have been on track with one a few times and it was really
nice.
>> Fully manual sequential is far more enjoyable than floppy paddles.
>>
>> What is your guess on maintenance intervals if I were to use the
clutch
>> for all up and down shift when driving in town and only using it as
>> intended for short bursts and 2 track days a year (always with a
lift on up
>> shifts)?
>>
>> I need to find some mechanical drawings for the Fortinto see if it
will
>> fit without cutting the body. I can cut up the bolt in cross member,
but
>> not cool with cutting inner fenders or rear bodywork.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
>> Date: 8/24/17 8:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tran Fortin 5-speed in a Pantera ?
>>
>> We raced the Fortin 5 speed in our Class 10 desert car. It is a
fantastic
>> gearbox. It can withstand the rigors desert racing. We have a
Fortin 4
>> speed with torque converter in our unlimited (700 HP) desert car,
and it
>> too is fantastic.
>>
>> We just sold our 5 speed for $15,000 (fresh rebuild), and upgraded
to a
>> Fortin 6 speed no-lift sequentialsequential in our Class 10 car.
>>
>> Fortin's service is fantastic. They are great to deal with.
However, we
>> care for the gearboxes like we do everything that is raced (and
subject to
>> racing abuse). The gearboxes come are sent to Fortin at least once,
and
>> sometimes twice, a year for "rebuilds" and maintenance. The bill on
the
>> annual rebuilds are about $2000-$5000, depending on what we have
damaged.
>> I suspect street use would require much less.
>>
>> For what its worth, I ordered three years ago the Quaife ZF for my
GT40.
>> The price delivered, after a 5 month wait was about $15,000 (and it
has
>> limited gearsets). See
>> [9]http://quaife.co.uk/quaife-zf-tranxaxle-back-popular-demand/
[10][IMGP1183-e1415954243114.jpg]
[11]Quaife ZF Transaxle back by popular demand! - Quaife
quaife.co.uk
Quaife GT40 gearboxes now available.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>> Direct: 312-320-5888 <(312)%20320-5888>
>>
>> <[12]http://www.patentit.com>
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>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 5:30 PM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy <
>> detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > [1]www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/Unknown13
>> 07/Unknown1
>> > 307.asp
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The tranny is from [2]www.fortinracing.com/product17.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you know about this trans-axle ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Chuck
>> >
>> >
>> > The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>> >
>> > [3]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> > 1. [16]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/
>> Unknown1307/
>> > Unknown1307.asp
>> > 2. [17]http://www.fortinracing.com/product17.html
[18][4spdgearbox1.jpg]
[19]Fortin 5 Speed Transaxle
www.fortinracing.com
5 Speed Transaxle o 10" Ring & Pinion-Ratio's available: 4.86, 4.38,
3.88 o Can be run with clutch or torque converter o Dog Ring engagement
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