[DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973

Himes, Terry (397C) terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Mon Apr 17 18:40:14 EDT 2017


Understood.  I use dropbox all the time.  But you will pay for storage over XXX GB (I can’t remember exact #).
But dropbox will tell you when you are reaching the limit.  ;-)





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Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
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From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Date: Monday, April 17, 2017 at 3:37 PM
To: Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973

I was just going to create a public link for the file on dropbox, and then share it on this forum only, with a simple request that we keep it on the forum.  Those with the link can view it directly on drop box.  My concern is that I am likely to make a bunch of mistakes building this car.  I very much encourage and welcome constructive comments and suggestions from the forum - but not that interested in criticism from the "outside world."



Regards,

Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888

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On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:
Steve, I will chime in here.  The list will not work well for large images.  I use smugmug.  It is a professional photo site.
Only about $40./year.  But they let you upload full resolution images and will not corrupt them.  Most (all) the free sites
will dumb down all images.  So it depends on what you would like to make available.

Terry


"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261<tel:%28818%29%20393-6261>
Cell:     (818) 653-8213<tel:%28818%29%20653-8213>
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On 4/17/17, 3:20 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of stevelisa at patentit.com<mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com>> wrote:

    I am working on getting some photo's - believe it or not we were busy
    enough that we didn't take any of our own!!! But, among the constant parade
    of people gawking, there were a few photographers that stopped by and said
    they snapped photo's during practice and qualifying.  I am waiting on
    getting some emails.

    Again, I am new to this process, but I have a dropbox folder that I am
    keeping of the build, beginning after Asa Jay dropped 5533 off in Portland
    last year.  I am not anxious to make it uber-public, but I would happily
    share it with the forum.  Is that allowed?

    Regards,

    Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
    Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
    Direct: 312-320-5888<tel:312-320-5888>

    <http://www.patentit.com>

    *Please note our new Scottsdale address.  Our phone and fax numbers remain
    the same.*

    *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656<tel:480.535.6656>  |  *F:* 480.535.6628<tel:480.535.6628>  |  *A:* 7689
    East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260

    *Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357<tel:312.752.4357>  |  *F:* 312.896.5633<tel:312.896.5633>  |  *A:* 55 E.
    Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
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    On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com<mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>>
    wrote:

    > Steve the only things you did wrong was not to post sooner and not to post
    > photos of your race. :-)
    >
    > Welcome
    >
    >
    > Larry - Cleveland
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>] On
    > Behalf Of Steve Lisa
    > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:59 PM
    > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    > Subject: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973
    >
    > This is my first post, so I hope I get it right.  Let me know if I broke
    > etiquette.
    >
    > So, we confirmed this weekend running in the Oregon SCCA Vintage group at
    > PIR, that the original Pantera brakes are indeed lacking.  Aside from brake
    > issues, Asa Jay's old car ran well.
    >
    > The issue is that I am required to run the stock front and rear calipers if
    > I want the car to be "dated" under the FIA Group 3 rules as of "1973."  As
    > best I can tell (and maybe I am wrong), the "big" calipers were not
    > approved in Group 3 until 1974.  However, it also appears, as best I can
    > tell, that the 1973 FIA Group 3 rules allowed vented front and rear rotors
    > in place of the original non-vented rotors.  Unfortunately, slotted rotors
    > are not allowed.
    >
    > I happily just bought two sets of Mike Drew's recently sourced
    > vented/slotted rotors, which I will run on the front for now.  Except for
    > snooty events, there will be no issues doing so.  But, I have a few
    > questions for the experts here about some longer term concerns:
    >
    >    1. I eventually need to find vented but non-slotted front and rear
    >    rotors for the Pantera, as close as possible to what was run in the FIA
    >    Group 3 in 1973.  Any ideas on where to find vented front and rear
    > rotors
    >    that are equivalent to the 1973 FIA Group s rotors?
    >    2. I would like something improved in place of the stock rear rotors
    >    while I am sourcing the proper vented rotors circa 1973.  Any ideas?
    >    3. What are the best race front and rear pads to run in the original
    >    calipers, and where do we get them?  I am guessing Porterfield?
    >
    > Also, I want to again thank all those that tried to help us out last
    > weekend when the Booster failed.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > S
    > ​teve Lisa​
    >
    > SN 5533
    >
    > Steve Lisa
    > SN 5533
    >
    >


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   Understood.  I use dropbox all the time.  But you will pay for storage
   over XXX GB (I can't remember exact #).

   But dropbox will tell you when you are reaching the limit.  ;-)






   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"


   Terry W. Himes

   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   Dawn Spacecraft Team

   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov



   From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
   Date: Monday, April 17, 2017 at 3:37 PM
   To: Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Cc: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, List DeTomaso Forum
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973


   I was just going to create a public link for the file on dropbox, and
   then share it on this forum only, with a simple request that we keep it
   on the forum.  Those with the link can view it directly on drop box.
   My concern is that I am likely to make a bunch of mistakes building
   this car.  I very much encourage and welcome constructive comments and
   suggestions from the forum - but not that interested in criticism from
   the "outside world."



   Regards,

   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
   Direct: 312-320-5888
   [2][SGL-Email-Logo.jpg]

   Please note our new Scottsdale address.  Our phone and fax numbers
   remain the same.

   Scottsdale Office | P: 480.535.6656  |  F: 480.535.6628  |  A: 7689
   East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260

   Chicago Office | P: 312.752.4357  |  F: 312.896.5633  |  A: 55 E.
   Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603

   [3]www.PatentIt.com

   This email is confidential and privileged, and intended only for the
   recipient above. If you received this email in error, please destroy
   all copies of it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank you.


   On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Himes, Terry (397C)
   <[4]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

     Steve, I will chime in here.  The list will not work well for large
     images.  I use smugmug.  It is a professional photo site.
     Only about $40./year.  But they let you upload full resolution
     images and will not corrupt them.  Most (all) the free sites
     will dumb down all images.  So it depends on what you would like to
     make available.
     Terry
     "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
      stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
     Terry W. Himes
     JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
     Dawn Spacecraft Team
     Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
     Phone: [5](818) 393-6261
     Cell:     [6](818) 653-8213
     [7]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
     On 4/17/17, 3:20 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa"
     <[8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
     [9]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
         I am working on getting some photo's - believe it or not we were
     busy
         enough that we didn't take any of our own!!! But, among the
     constant parade
         of people gawking, there were a few photographers that stopped
     by and said
         they snapped photo's during practice and qualifying.  I am
     waiting on
         getting some emails.
         Again, I am new to this process, but I have a dropbox folder
     that I am
         keeping of the build, beginning after Asa Jay dropped 5533 off
     in Portland
         last year.  I am not anxious to make it uber-public, but I would
     happily
         share it with the forum.  Is that allowed?
         Regards,
         Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
         Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
         Direct: [10]312-320-5888
         <[11]http://www.patentit.com>
         *Please note our new Scottsdale address.  Our phone and fax
     numbers remain
         the same.*
         *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: [12]480.535.6656  |  *F:*
     [13]480.535.6628  |  *A:* 7689
         East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
         *Chicago Office *|* P:* [14]312.752.4357  |  *F:*
     [15]312.896.5633  |  *A:* 55 E.

       Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
       [16]www.PatentIt.com
       This email is confidential and privileged, and intended only for
   the
       recipient above. If you received this email in error, please
   destroy all
       copies of it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank you.
       On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Larry - Ohio Time
   <[17]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
       wrote:
       > Steve the only things you did wrong was not to post sooner and
   not to post
       > photos of your race. :-)
       >
       > Welcome
       >
       >
       > Larry - Cleveland
       >
       > -----Original Message-----
       > From: DeTomaso
   [mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
       > Behalf Of Steve Lisa
       > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:59 PM
       > To: [19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
       > Subject: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973
       >
       > This is my first post, so I hope I get it right.  Let me know if
   I broke
       > etiquette.
       >
       > So, we confirmed this weekend running in the Oregon SCCA Vintage
   group at
       > PIR, that the original Pantera brakes are indeed lacking.  Aside
   from brake
       > issues, Asa Jay's old car ran well.
       >
       > The issue is that I am required to run the stock front and rear
   calipers if
       > I want the car to be "dated" under the FIA Group 3 rules as of
   "1973."  As
       > best I can tell (and maybe I am wrong), the "big" calipers were
   not
       > approved in Group 3 until 1974.  However, it also appears, as
   best I can
       > tell, that the 1973 FIA Group 3 rules allowed vented front and
   rear rotors
       > in place of the original non-vented rotors.  Unfortunately,
   slotted rotors
       > are not allowed.
       >
       > I happily just bought two sets of Mike Drew's recently sourced
       > vented/slotted rotors, which I will run on the front for now.
   Except for
       > snooty events, there will be no issues doing so.  But, I have a
   few
       > questions for the experts here about some longer term concerns:
       >
       >    1. I eventually need to find vented but non-slotted front and
   rear
       >    rotors for the Pantera, as close as possible to what was run
   in the FIA
       >    Group 3 in 1973.  Any ideas on where to find vented front and
   rear
       > rotors
       >    that are equivalent to the 1973 FIA Group s rotors?
       >    2. I would like something improved in place of the stock rear
   rotors
       >    while I am sourcing the proper vented rotors circa 1973.  Any
   ideas?
       >    3. What are the best race front and rear pads to run in the
   original
       >    calipers, and where do we get them?  I am guessing
   Porterfield?
       >
       > Also, I want to again thank all those that tried to help us out
   last
       > weekend when the Booster failed.
       >
       > Regards,
       >
       > S
       > teve Lisa
       >
       > SN 5533
       >
       > Steve Lisa
       > SN 5533
       >
       >

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   9. mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com
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  12. tel:480.535.6656
  13. tel:480.535.6628
  14. tel:312.752.4357
  15. tel:312.896.5633
  16. http://www.PatentIt.com/
  17. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
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