[DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973

Mon Apr 17 18:29:16 EDT 2017

Steve almost anything is allowed, as long as we are kind hearted to one another.

The Dropbox link would be great.

Larry (look they put up with me) - Cleveland

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From: Steve Lisa [mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 6:21 PM
To: Larry - Ohio Time
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973

I am working on getting some photo's - believe it or not we were busy enough that we didn't take any of our own!!! But, among the constant parade of people gawking, there were a few photographers that stopped by and said they snapped photo's during practice and qualifying.  I am waiting on getting some emails.   

Again, I am new to this process, but I have a dropbox folder that I am keeping of the build, beginning after Asa Jay dropped 5533 off in Portland last year.  I am not anxious to make it uber-public, but I would happily share it with the forum.  Is that allowed?

Regards, 

Steven G. Lisa, Esq. 
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com 
Direct: 312-320-5888

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On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
Steve the only things you did wrong was not to post sooner and not to post photos of your race. :-)

Welcome

Larry - Cleveland

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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@ <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Steve Lisa
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:59 PM
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973

This is my first post, so I hope I get it right.  Let me know if I broke
etiquette.

So, we confirmed this weekend running in the Oregon SCCA Vintage group at
PIR, that the original Pantera brakes are indeed lacking.  Aside from brake
issues, Asa Jay's old car ran well.

The issue is that I am required to run the stock front and rear calipers if
I want the car to be "dated" under the FIA Group 3 rules as of "1973."  As
best I can tell (and maybe I am wrong), the "big" calipers were not
approved in Group 3 until 1974.  However, it also appears, as best I can
tell, that the 1973 FIA Group 3 rules allowed vented front and rear rotors
in place of the original non-vented rotors.  Unfortunately, slotted rotors
are not allowed.

I happily just bought two sets of Mike Drew's recently sourced
vented/slotted rotors, which I will run on the front for now.  Except for
snooty events, there will be no issues doing so.  But, I have a few
questions for the experts here about some longer term concerns:

   1. I eventually need to find vented but non-slotted front and rear
   rotors for the Pantera, as close as possible to what was run in the FIA
   Group 3 in 1973.  Any ideas on where to find vented front and rear rotors
   that are equivalent to the 1973 FIA Group s rotors?
   2. I would like something improved in place of the stock rear rotors
   while I am sourcing the proper vented rotors circa 1973.  Any ideas?
   3. What are the best race front and rear pads to run in the original
   calipers, and where do we get them?  I am guessing Porterfield?

Also, I want to again thank all those that tried to help us out last
weekend when the Booster failed.

Regards,

S
teve Lisa

SN 5533

Steve Lisa
SN 5533

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   Steve almost anything is allowed, as long as we are kind hearted to one
   another.

   The Dropbox link would be great.

   Larry (look they put up with me) - Cleveland

   _______________________________________________________________________

   From: Steve Lisa [mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com]
   Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 6:21 PM
   To: Larry - Ohio Time
   Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973

   I am working on getting some photo's - believe it or not we were busy
   enough that we didn't take any of our own!!! But, among the constant
   parade of people gawking, there were a few photographers that stopped
   by and said they snapped photo's during practice and qualifying.  I am
   waiting on getting some emails.

   Again, I am new to this process, but I have a dropbox folder that I am
   keeping of the build, beginning after Asa Jay dropped 5533 off in
   Portland last year.  I am not anxious to make it uber-public, but I
   would happily share it with the forum.  Is that allowed?

   Regards,

   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
   Direct: 312-320-5888
   [1][SGL-Email-Logo.jpg]

   Please note our new Scottsdale address.  Our phone and fax numbers
   remain the same.

   Scottsdale Office | P: 480.535.6656  |  F: 480.535.6628  |  A: 7689
   East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260

   Chicago Office | P: 312.752.4357  |  F: 312.896.5633  |  A: 55 E.
   Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603

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   This email is confidential and privileged, and intended only for the
   recipient above. If you received this email in error, please destroy
   all copies of it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank you.

   On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Larry - Ohio Time
   <[3]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:

   Steve the only things you did wrong was not to post sooner and not to
   post photos of your race. :-)
   Welcome
   Larry - Cleveland
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf Of Steve Lisa
   Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:59 PM
   To: [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973
   This is my first post, so I hope I get it right.  Let me know if I
   broke
   etiquette.
   So, we confirmed this weekend running in the Oregon SCCA Vintage group
   at
   PIR, that the original Pantera brakes are indeed lacking.  Aside from
   brake
   issues, Asa Jay's old car ran well.
   The issue is that I am required to run the stock front and rear
   calipers if
   I want the car to be "dated" under the FIA Group 3 rules as of "1973."
   As
   best I can tell (and maybe I am wrong), the "big" calipers were not
   approved in Group 3 until 1974.  However, it also appears, as best I
   can
   tell, that the 1973 FIA Group 3 rules allowed vented front and rear
   rotors
   in place of the original non-vented rotors.  Unfortunately, slotted
   rotors
   are not allowed.
   I happily just bought two sets of Mike Drew's recently sourced
   vented/slotted rotors, which I will run on the front for now.  Except
   for
   snooty events, there will be no issues doing so.  But, I have a few
   questions for the experts here about some longer term concerns:
      1. I eventually need to find vented but non-slotted front and rear
      rotors for the Pantera, as close as possible to what was run in the
   FIA
      Group 3 in 1973.  Any ideas on where to find vented front and rear
   rotors
      that are equivalent to the 1973 FIA Group s rotors?
      2. I would like something improved in place of the stock rear rotors
      while I am sourcing the proper vented rotors circa 1973.  Any ideas?
      3. What are the best race front and rear pads to run in the original

      calipers, and where do we get them?  I am guessing Porterfield?
   Also, I want to again thank all those that tried to help us out last
   weekend when the Booster failed.
   Regards,
   S
   teve Lisa
   SN 5533
   Steve Lisa
   SN 5533

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