[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
Larry Stock
larrys at panteraparts.com
Thu Sep 8 15:56:52 EDT 2016
The rear brace is a bolt on to the bottom of the engine mount bolts and the
rear most suspension A-Arm bolts, so you would need to loosen those to
remove it first then loosen and remove your removable crossmember and the
removable parking brake pivot bracket to get to your oil pan if the
unfortunate need were to arise.
Larry
From: Vinh Ly <vinh.d.ly at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM
To: Larry Stock <Larrys at PanteraParts.com>
Cc: <cengles at cox.net>, Pantera Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
Larry,
I recently installed the removable cross member in the event I should ever
need to drop the oil pan. Does your brace system interfere with that if I
were to install your system?
Thanks,
Vinh Ly
#7445
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> Either way, individually $500 each or as a package for $850.
> Larry
>
> On 9/8/16, 8:58 AM, "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> >Dear Larry,
>> >
>> >
>> > Dumb question: is your brace system available individually
>> >or only as a package?
>> >
>> >
>> > Curious, Chuck Engles
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote:
>> >
>>> >> It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point
>>> >> Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment
>>> >> that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember
>>> >> the
>>> >> rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension
>>> >> tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the
>>> >> attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my
>>> >> Pantera
>>> >> together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to
>>> >> does
>>> >> nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our
>>> >> lower
>>> >> front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the ³Splice² the
>>> >> factory
>>> >> used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our
>>> >> front
>>> >> brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross
>>> >> stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece
>>> >> rocker
>>> >> Box panels. Larry
>>> >>
>>> >> On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
>>> >> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>>> >> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>>> >>> In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, owen at tadhgcooke.com writes:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked
>>>> >>> it
>>>> >>> extensively
>>>> >>> i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and
>>>> >>> therefore is poor on the handling side
>>>> >>> the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite
>>>> >>> wheels
>>>> >>> off the ground if you jack it from one corner
>>>> >>> i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further
>>>> >>> stiffening .
>>>> >>> the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but
>>>> >>> that
>>>> >>> is
>>>> >>> all in my opinion
>>>> >>> my car at least drives like a go-cart
>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but
>>>>>>> without
>>>> >>> knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British
>>>> >>> roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this
>>>> >>> department. :>)
>>>> >>> The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely
>>>> >>> flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how
>>>> >>> well
>>>> >>> the doors, or the decklid open.
>>>> >>> The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental
>>>> >>> weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber
>>>> >>> bar.
>>>> >>> The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it
>>>> >>> just
>>>> >>> folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the
>>>> >>> adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this
>>>> >>> effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an
>>>> >>> upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm
>>>> >>> only
>>>> >>> talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As
>>>> >>> long
>>>> >>> as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a
>>>> >>> tremendous
>>>> >>> job of stiffening the rear of the car.
>>>> >>> http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg
>>>> >>> The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important,
>>>> >>> but
>>>> >>> you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole
>>>> >>> kit.
>>>> >>> The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust....
>>>> >>> Mike
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The rear brace is a bolt on to the bottom of the engine mount bolts and
the rear most suspension A-Arm bolts, so you would need to loosen those
to remove it first then loosen and remove your removable crossmember
and the removable parking brake pivot bracket to get to your oil pan if
the unfortunate need were to arise.
Larry
From: Vinh Ly <[1]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM
To: Larry Stock <[2]Larrys at PanteraParts.com>
Cc: <[3]cengles at cox.net>, Pantera Mail List
<[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
Larry,
I recently installed the removable cross member in the event I should
ever need to drop the oil pan. Does your brace system interfere with
that if I were to install your system?
Thanks,
Vinh Ly
#7445
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Larry Stock
<[5]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
Either way, individually $500 each or as a package for $850.
Larry
On 9/8/16, 8:58 AM, "[6]cengles at cox.net" <[7]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>Dear Larry,
>
>
> Dumb question: is your brace system available
individually
>or only as a package?
>
>
> Curious, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote:
>
>> It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest
point
>> Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm
attachment
>> that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist.
Remember
>> the
>> rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101
suspension
>> tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at
the
>> attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my
>> Pantera
>> together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer
to
>> does
>> nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our
>> lower
>> front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the
(c)o/Splice(c)-: the
>> factory
>> used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal.
Our
>> front
>> brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral
(cross
>> stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece
>> rocker
>> Box panels. Larry
>>
>> On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
>> <[8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, [10]owen at tadhgcooke.com
writes:
>>>
>>> I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and
reworked
>>> it
>>> extensively
>>> i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists
and
>>> therefore is poor on the handling side
>>> the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2
opposite
>>> wheels
>>> off the ground if you jack it from one corner
>>> i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no
further
>>> stiffening .
>>> the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use
but
>>> that
>>> is
>>> all in my opinion
>>> my car at least drives like a go-cart
>>>
>>>>>> Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but
without
>>> knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British
>>> roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in
this
>>> department. :>)
>>> The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is
extremely
>>> flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see
how
>>> well
>>> the doors, or the decklid open.
>>> The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this
fundamental
>>> weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay
camber
>>> bar.
>>> The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box
with
>>> the
>>> top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and
it
>>> just
>>> folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to
include the
>>> adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent
this
>>> effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists
of an
>>> upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner.
(I'm
>>> only
>>> talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part).
As
>>> long
>>> as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a
>>> tremendous
>>> job of stiffening the rear of the car.
>>> [11]http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg
>>> The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less
important,
>>> but
>>> you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the
whole
>>> kit.
>>> The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering
dust....
>>> Mike
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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2. mailto:Larrys at PanteraParts.com
3. mailto:cengles at cox.net
4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
5. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com
6. mailto:cengles at cox.net
7. mailto:cengles at cox.net
8. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
9. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
10. mailto:owen at tadhgcooke.com
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