[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
Jeff Detrich
jjdetrich at gmail.com
Thu Sep 8 16:55:03 EDT 2016
Larry,
I can't seem to find it on your website.
Jeff
6559
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> The rear brace is a bolt on to the bottom of the engine mount bolts and
> the rear most suspension A-Arm bolts, so you would need to loosen those
> to remove it first then loosen and remove your removable crossmember
> and the removable parking brake pivot bracket to get to your oil pan if
> the unfortunate need were to arise.
>
> Larry
>
> From: Vinh Ly <[1]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM
> To: Larry Stock <[2]Larrys at PanteraParts.com>
> Cc: <[3]cengles at cox.net>, Pantera Mail List
> <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
>
> Larry,
> I recently installed the removable cross member in the event I should
> ever need to drop the oil pan. Does your brace system interfere with
> that if I were to install your system?
> Thanks,
> Vinh Ly
> #7445
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Larry Stock
> <[5]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Either way, individually $500 each or as a package for $850.
> Larry
> On 9/8/16, 8:58 AM, "[6]cengles at cox.net" <[7]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> >Dear Larry,
> >
> >
> > Dumb question: is your brace system available
> individually
> >or only as a package?
> >
> >
> > Curious, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote:
> >
> >> It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest
> point
> >> Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm
> attachment
> >> that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist.
> Remember
> >> the
> >> rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101
> suspension
> >> tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at
> the
> >> attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my
> >> Pantera
> >> together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer
> to
> >> does
> >> nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our
> >> lower
> >> front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the
> (c)o/Splice(c)-: the
> >> factory
> >> used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal.
> Our
> >> front
> >> brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral
> (cross
> >> stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece
> >> rocker
> >> Box panels. Larry
> >>
> >> On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
> DeTomaso"
> >> <[8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, [10]owen at tadhgcooke.com
> writes:
> >>>
> >>> I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and
> reworked
> >>> it
> >>> extensively
> >>> i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists
> and
> >>> therefore is poor on the handling side
> >>> the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2
> opposite
> >>> wheels
> >>> off the ground if you jack it from one corner
> >>> i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no
> further
> >>> stiffening .
> >>> the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use
> but
> >>> that
> >>> is
> >>> all in my opinion
> >>> my car at least drives like a go-cart
> >>>
> >>>>>> Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but
> without
> >>> knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British
> >>> roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in
> this
> >>> department. :>)
> >>> The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is
> extremely
> >>> flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see
> how
> >>> well
> >>> the doors, or the decklid open.
> >>> The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this
> fundamental
> >>> weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay
> camber
> >>> bar.
> >>> The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box
> with
> >>> the
> >>> top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and
> it
> >>> just
> >>> folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to
> include the
> >>> adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent
> this
> >>> effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists
> of an
> >>> upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner.
> (I'm
> >>> only
> >>> talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part).
> As
> >>> long
> >>> as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a
> >>> tremendous
> >>> job of stiffening the rear of the car.
> >>> [11]http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg
> >>> The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less
> important,
> >>> but
> >>> you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the
> whole
> >>> kit.
> >>> The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering
> dust....
> >>> Mike
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> 10. mailto:owen at tadhgcooke.com
> 11. http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg
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Larry,
I can't seem to find it on your website.
Jeff
6559
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Larry Stock
<[1]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
A A The rear brace is a bolt on to the bottom of the engine mount
bolts and
A A the rear most suspension A-Arm bolts, so you would need to
loosen those
A A to remove it first then loosen and remove your removable
crossmember
A A and the removable parking brake pivot bracket to get to your
oil pan if
A A the unfortunate need were to arise.
A A Larry
A A From: Vinh Ly <[1][2]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com>
A A Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM
A A To: Larry Stock <[2]Larrys at PanteraParts.com>
A A Cc: <[3][3]cengles at cox.net>, Pantera Mail List
A A <[4][4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
A A Larry,
A A I recently installed the removable cross member in the event I
should
A A ever need to drop the oil pan.A Does your brace system
interfere with
A A that if I were to install your system?
A A Thanks,
A A Vinh Ly
A A #7445
A A On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Larry Stock
A A <[5][5]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
A A A Either way, individually $500 each or as a package for $850.
A A A Larry
A A A On 9/8/16, 8:58 AM, "[6][6]cengles at cox.net"
<[7][7]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
A A A >Dear Larry,
A A A >
A A A >
A A A >A A A A A A A Dumb question: is your brace system
available
A A A individually
A A A >or only as a package?
A A A >
A A A >
A A A >A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
Curious,A Chuck Engles
A A A >
A A A >
A A A >
A A A >
A A A >On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote:
A A A >
A A A >> It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the
weakest
A A A point
A A A >> Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower
A-Arm
A A A attachment
A A A >> that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear
twist.
A A A Remember
A A A >> the
A A A >> rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101
A A A suspension
A A A >> tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame
member at
A A A the
A A A >> attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was
holding my
A A A >> Pantera
A A A >> together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system
you refer
A A A to
A A A >> does
A A A >> nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera
Frame. Our
A A A >> lower
A A A >> front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the
A A A (c)o/Splice(c)-: the
A A A >> factory
A A A >> used to attach the front frame section to the cabin
sheetmetal.
A A A Our
A A A >> front
A A A >> brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin
lateral
A A A (cross
A A A >> stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the
3 piece
A A A >> rocker
A A A >> Box panels. Larry
A A A >>
A A A >> On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
A A A DeTomaso"
A A A >> <[8][8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
A A A >> [9][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A A >>
A A A >>>A A In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57,
[10][10]owen at tadhgcooke.com
A A A writes:
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A A I am new to PanterasA having bought one one year
ago and
A A A reworked
A A A >>> it
A A A >>>A A A extensively
A A A >>>A A A i am used to european cars and i know when a
chassis twists
A A A and
A A A >>>A A A therefore is poor on the handling side
A A A >>>A A A the pantera is the only car i ever had that will
lift 2
A A A opposite
A A A >>>A A A wheels
A A A >>>A A A off the ground if you jack it from one corner
A A A >>>A A A i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and
needs no
A A A further
A A A >>>A A A stiffening .
A A A >>>A A A the suspensions may of course need tuning for
specific use
A A A but
A A A >>> that
A A A >>>A A A is
A A A >>>A A A all in my opinion
A A A >>>A A A my car at least drives like a go-cart
A A A >>>
A A A >>>>>> Well, it may be stiffer than your other European
cars, but
A A A without
A A A >>>A A knowing what they are, that's not saying much.A
1950s British
A A A >>>A A roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge
against in
A A A this
A A A >>>A A department. :>)
A A A >>>A A The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the
rear is
A A A extremely
A A A >>>A A flexible.A Try jacking a front corner off the
ground and see
A A A how
A A A >>> well
A A A >>>A A the doors, or the decklid open.
A A A >>>A A The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this
A A A fundamental
A A A >>>A A weakness with the piece that replaces the stock
engine bay
A A A camber
A A A >>> bar.
A A A >>>A A The wide open engine bay is rather like a square
cardboard box
A A A with
A A A >>> the
A A A >>>A A top and bottom open, laid on its side.A Push on a
corner and
A A A it
A A A >>> just
A A A >>>A A folds flat.A As long as the stock bar (or
equivalent to
A A A include the
A A A >>>A A adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing
will prevent
A A A this
A A A >>>A A effect from happening.A The Hall and Byars kit
piece consists
A A A of an
A A A >>>A A upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram
manner.
A A A (I'm
A A A >>> only
A A A >>>A A talking about the top part of their kit, not the
lower part).
A A A As
A A A >>> long
A A A >>>A A as the top part is affixed in all four places, it
will do a
A A A >>> tremendous
A A A >>>A A job of stiffening the rear of the car.
A A A >>>A A [11][11]http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/
rigid4.jpg
A A A >>>A A The other three parts of the kit are arguably much
less
A A A important,
A A A >>> but
A A A >>>A A you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have
to buy the
A A A whole
A A A >>>A A kit.
A A A >>>A A The front half of my kit is still in the box,
gathering
A A A dust....
A A A >>>A A Mike
A A A >>> _______________________________________________
A A A >>>
A A A >>>
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