[DeTomaso] Is there a direct bolt by Wilwood for a street Pantera ?
Jim Wallace
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Tue Oct 18 15:04:35 EDT 2016
I neglected to add the following
10) changing the rack twice11) changing the tie rod ends
I am sure I am missing a few other item.......I think everyone gets the picture at this point
Jim
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Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is there a direct bolt by Wilwood for a street Pantera ?
Julian,
Actually the issue was frustration after requesting help repeatedly and
not really getting any. I wanted to run my car at the track rather
than spend the time sitting in the paddock looking at everyone else
having fun or my own garage rather than driving the car. So just to be
clear the frustration that brought me to jacking up the radiator cap
and replace the car underneath for track purposes resulted from the
following changes I made to the P-Car (which I still own):
1) changing the rotors (twice)
2) changing the hats
3) changing brake pads many times
4) changing the hubs
5) changing the a-arm bushings
6) changing the lower ball joints
7) changing the upper ball joints
8) Adjusting the caster and camber (Pat Micals A-Arm modification)
9) Cutting the rotors on the car to limit run-out.
After I bought the RX7 and ran it at the track for two years I wanted
better braking response, given the history above I decided not to buy
Wilwood again and bought Stoptech, they fit like a glove and work like
a dream. No issues other than great responsive brakes. Again I have
talked to many Pantera Owners that used their cars on the track similar
to mine and I have found they have some of the same issues with the
wilwoods.
Its pretty cut and dry.
Jim
__________________________________________________________________
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Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is there a direct bolt by Wilwood for a street
Pantera ?
Me thinks there may be some flawed root cause analysis in that
statement; because Stoptechs worked on an RX7 we can deduce the problem
was the Wilwood's on a Pantera?
Julian
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is there a direct bolt by Wilwood for a
street
> Pantera ?
> Patrick,
> I bought a set of these and had nothing but problems. When the
> rotors
> get hot the steering wheel jutters to the point I can not hold
it. I
> replaced all the associated front end parts including the
> rotors and I still have the issue. The more aggressive pad the
worse
> it gets.
> To fix the issue I bought an RX7 twin turbo track car I was so
feed
> up.
> Then I bought a set of over-sized stoptech brakes for the RX7
with
> no
> issues. I know your focus is the P-Car but I have has a number of
> other friends who have used the wilwoods and had issues like mine.
> Jim
>
__________________________________________________________________
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> To: [2][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Is there a direct bolt by Wilwood for a street
> Pantera ?
> A " simple " question ?A
> I would like to improve my 72 Euro so far bone stock GTS brake
> capacity, without spending 8000 euros for a Brembo kit.
> Is there a direct bolt from Wilwood ( or another reliable brand)
> that
> allows you to improve the brake capacity of a street Pantera?A
> What I would like is improved A (drilled, vented) rotors and 4 ,
6
> or
> 8
> pistons calipers that you can directly fit on the car, without (
or
> very little basic) machining.
> Do you also need in this case, an improved master cylinder or
> another
> component like a booster A ?A
> Then , one alternative : keeping the 15 inch wheels ( my
preference
> )
> or going to 16 and 17 inch , if not more...A
> Part numbers of all components, availability, personal
experience,
> Ebay, Craigslist, even worn out second hand parts, highly
welcome
> !A
> Best to you all !A
> Pat
> Candy 2862, ADA 9628
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I neglected to add the following
10) changing the rack twice
11) changing the tie rod ends
I am sure I am missing a few other item.......I think everyone gets the
picture at this point
Jim
__________________________________________________________________
From: Jim Wallace via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Ken Green
<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Patrick HALS
<patrickhals at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is there a direct bolt by Wilwood for a street
Pantera ?
Julian,
Actually the issue was frustration after requesting help repeatedly
and
not really getting any. I wanted to run my car at the track rather
than spend the time sitting in the paddock looking at everyone else
having fun or my own garage rather than driving the car. So just to
be
clear the frustration that brought me to jacking up the radiator cap
and replace the car underneath for track purposes resulted from the
following changes I made to the P-Car (which I still own):
1) changing the rotors (twice)
2) changing the hats
3) changing brake pads many times
4) changing the hubs
5) changing the a-arm bushings
6) changing the lower ball joints
7) changing the upper ball joints
8) Adjusting the caster and camber (Pat Micals A-Arm modification)
9) Cutting the rotors on the car to limit run-out.
After I bought the RX7 and ran it at the track for two years I wanted
better braking response, given the history above I decided not to buy
Wilwood again and bought Stoptech, they fit like a glove and work
like
a dream. No issues other than great responsive brakes. Again I have
talked to many Pantera Owners that used their cars on the track
similar
to mine and I have found they have some of the same issues with the
wilwoods.
Its pretty cut and dry.
Jim
__________________________________________________________________
From: Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Ken Green <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: Jim Wallace <[3]pantera_4220 at yahoo.com>; Patrick HALS
<[4]patrickhals at gmail.com>; "[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is there a direct bolt by Wilwood for a
street
Pantera ?
Me thinks there may be some flawed root cause analysis in that
statement; because Stoptechs worked on an RX7 we can deduce the
problem
was the Wilwood's on a Pantera?
Julian
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> To: Patrick HALS <[2][8]patrickhals at gmail.com>;
> "[3][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is there a direct bolt by Wilwood for a
street
> Pantera ?
> Patrick,
> I bought a set of these and had nothing but problems. When the
> rotors
> get hot the steering wheel jutters to the point I can not hold
it. I
> replaced all the associated front end parts including the
> rotors and I still have the issue. The more aggressive pad the
worse
> it gets.
> To fix the issue I bought an RX7 twin turbo track car I was so
feed
> up.
> Then I bought a set of over-sized stoptech brakes for the RX7
with
> no
> issues. I know your focus is the P-Car but I have has a number
of
> other friends who have used the wilwoods and had issues like
mine.
> Jim
>
__________________________________________________________________
> From: Patrick HALS <[1][5][11]patrickhals at gmail.com>
> To: [2][6][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Is there a direct bolt by Wilwood for a
street
> Pantera ?
> A " simple " question ?A
> I would like to improve my 72 Euro so far bone stock GTS brake
> capacity, without spending 8000 euros for a Brembo kit.
> Is there a direct bolt from Wilwood ( or another reliable
brand)
> that
> allows you to improve the brake capacity of a street Pantera?A
> What I would like is improved A (drilled, vented) rotors and 4
,
6
> or
> 8
> pistons calipers that you can directly fit on the car, without
(
or
> very little basic) machining.
> Do you also need in this case, an improved master cylinder or
> another
> component like a booster A ?A
> Then , one alternative : keeping the 15 inch wheels ( my
preference
> )
> or going to 16 and 17 inch , if not more...A
> Part numbers of all components, availability, personal
experience,
> Ebay, Craigslist, even worn out second hand parts, highly
welcome
> !A
> Best to you all !A
> Pat
> Candy 2862, ADA 9628
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