[DeTomaso] NPC: A slow forum day and a dose of Dan Neil
Jack Donahue
demongusta at gmail.com
Sun Oct 16 22:10:14 EDT 2016
No racing for me. I had a master mechanic from Chile, Ramiro Guridi, put a 935 motor (from wrecked race car) in my 930 to try compensating for the “turbo-lag”. It did, a little, but when you hit 3500 rpm, WOW - hold on. Actually, I didn’t like it - you need a track to try and predict what the darn thing was going to do. On the street it was awkward. And on a wet street, look out!!. It seems every time I was on a “clover leaf” merging onto a freeway/highway it would just straighten out as I leaned on the throttle. Some call it oversteer. I got rid of it. Should have kept it as a 930.
Jack
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 4:51 PM, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Jack,
>
> You had a 935??? As in, one of the handful of factory endurance race cars that won Le Mans etc?
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_935 <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_935>
>
> Very cool! Where and when were you racing?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 16:09, Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com <mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>>
>> Good article;
>> I had a 1978 - 935 (twin turbo) - FAST - a neck-snapper.
>> Jack
>>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net <mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Forum,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan Neil reviews the Porsche 911 Turbo S.
>>>
>>>
>>> Excerpts from today's WSJ.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Every time I drive a Porsche 911 Turbo ---in S trim,
>>> with the big turbos, best served cherry-red--I think, "This has got to
>>> be it, right?" The best overall sports car on the market? Smarter
>>> than Kant, sharper than the Brunhilde's horns, tighter than the buns of
>>> the Stuttgart football club, and oh so schnell, the 911 Turbo S tops a
>>> short list of German things that are wildly entertaining.
>>>
>>>
>>> Pedigree? Check. Porsche is the reigning Le Mans
>>> champion, with 18 wins overall. Provenance? All Turbos are built at
>>> the mother ship in Zuffenhausen, with conceptual roots as far back as
>>> the 1930s and Dr. Ferdinand Porsche himself.
>>>
>>>
>>> Performance? Puh-leeze. As always when a new one
>>> comes out, the 2017 Turbo S lays down some dazzling markers, like 0-60
>>> mph in 2.8 seconds. This kind of acceleration actually hurts, the sort
>>> of ungentle transition from still to moving that draws a flag in the
>>> NFL. The Turbo S will churn out quarter-mile passes in the low 10s
>>> until the drag strip turns the lights off. Top speed is given as 205
>>> mph, runway not included.
>>>
>>>
>>> So naturally, if Dame Fortune or Lady Lotto should
>>> extend a pass to one great sports car, the decision tree could only
>>> branch, rationally and inevitably, to the proverbial ass-engine Nazi
>>> slot car.
>>>
>>>
>>> So I've always thought. Maybe I'm wrong. There are
>>> many, vastly cheaper and more expressive sports-car choices. If all
>>> you seek is a track-day toy, try a used Dodge Viper ACR, with its
>>> cowl-rattling V-10 and six-speed manual gearbox fabricated by the
>>> village smithie.
>>>
>>>
>>> For about 15% more quid than the Turbo S, you could
>>> have yourself the new brill Brit, the Aston Martin DB11, and could
>>> parade around in a kilt, wearing a wolf's head as a sporran, which is
>>> equally subtle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Compared with these lewd displays, the Turbo S is
>>> practically invisible. This is good or bad depending on the emotional
>>> needs of the would-be owner. It's pretty clear Lambo owner weren't
>>> hugged enough as children.
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's kick the tires of this yellow one: a rear mid-mounted
>>> twin-turbo 3.8-liter flat-six engine (580 hp and 553 ft-lbs of torque
>>> at 1.950 rpm), all set on hair trigger; the familiar seven-speed PDK
>>> gearbox; a water-cooled all-wheel drive transfer case; rear torque
>>> vectoring; adaptive suspension; active body-roll compensation; ceramic
>>> composite brakes that would stop a meth-addled elephant; and four wheel
>>> steering. The Sport Plus mode includes a new track-only routine that
>>> allows drivers to pitch the car around good and sideways (large deltas
>>> in yaw rate) before it tugs the appropriate brake to set things
>>> right. Of course, the driver can't feel it, so he thinks he is a
>>> genius behind the wheel.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ditto the car's four-wheel steering. A little late on your
>>> braking and heading into the short grass? Take another bite of tiller
>>> and four-wheel steering is there for you, bro.
>>>
>>>
>>> You can't even row your own gears. The seven-speed PDK is
>>> equipped with paddle-shifter, of course, but the transmission -control
>>> algorithms are now so precise, so predictive, that shifting by hand
>>> would be quite a bit slower.
>>>
>>>
>>> "I just leave it in D" said Mr. Hurley Haywood. "It's
>>> smarter than you are."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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No racing for me. I had a master mechanic from Chile, Ramiro Guridi,
put a 935 motor (from wrecked race car) in my 930 to try compensating
for the "turbo-lag". It did, a little, but when you hit 3500 rpm, WOW -
hold on. Actually, I didn't like it - you need a track to try and
predict what the darn thing was going to do. On the street it was
awkward. And on a wet street, look out!!. It seems every time I was on
a "clover leaf" merging onto a freeway/highway it would just straighten
out as I leaned on the throttle. Some call it oversteer. I got rid of
it. Should have kept it as a 930.
Jack
On Oct 16, 2016, at 4:51 PM, Mike Drew <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
Jack,
You had a 935??? As in, one of the handful of factory endurance race
cars that won Le Mans etc?
[2]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_935
Very cool! Where and when were you racing?
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 16, 2016, at 16:09, Jack Donahue <[3]demongusta at gmail.com>
wrote:
Good article;
I had a 1978 - 935 (twin turbo) - FAST - a neck-snapper.
Jack
On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Charles Engles <[4]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
Dear Forum,
Dan Neil reviews the Porsche 911 Turbo S.
Excerpts from today's WSJ.
"Every time I drive a Porsche 911 Turbo ---in S
trim,
with the big turbos, best served cherry-red--I think, "This has got
to
be it, right?" The best overall sports car on the market? Smarter
than Kant, sharper than the Brunhilde's horns, tighter than the
buns of
the Stuttgart football club, and oh so schnell, the 911 Turbo S
tops a
short list of German things that are wildly entertaining.
Pedigree? Check. Porsche is the reigning Le Mans
champion, with 18 wins overall. Provenance? All Turbos are built
at
the mother ship in Zuffenhausen, with conceptual roots as far back
as
the 1930s and Dr. Ferdinand Porsche himself.
Performance? Puh-leeze. As always when a new one
comes out, the 2017 Turbo S lays down some dazzling markers, like
0-60
mph in 2.8 seconds. This kind of acceleration actually hurts, the
sort
of ungentle transition from still to moving that draws a flag in
the
NFL. The Turbo S will churn out quarter-mile passes in the low 10s
until the drag strip turns the lights off. Top speed is given as
205
mph, runway not included.
So naturally, if Dame Fortune or Lady Lotto should
extend a pass to one great sports car, the decision tree could only
branch, rationally and inevitably, to the proverbial ass-engine
Nazi
slot car.
So I've always thought. Maybe I'm wrong. There
are
many, vastly cheaper and more expressive sports-car choices. If
all
you seek is a track-day toy, try a used Dodge Viper ACR, with its
cowl-rattling V-10 and six-speed manual gearbox fabricated by the
village smithie.
For about 15% more quid than the Turbo S, you
could
have yourself the new brill Brit, the Aston Martin DB11, and could
parade around in a kilt, wearing a wolf's head as a sporran, which
is
equally subtle.
Compared with these lewd displays, the Turbo S is
practically invisible. This is good or bad depending on the
emotional
needs of the would-be owner. It's pretty clear Lambo owner weren't
hugged enough as children.
Let's kick the tires of this yellow one: a rear
mid-mounted
twin-turbo 3.8-liter flat-six engine (580 hp and 553 ft-lbs of
torque
at 1.950 rpm), all set on hair trigger; the familiar seven-speed
PDK
gearbox; a water-cooled all-wheel drive transfer case; rear torque
vectoring; adaptive suspension; active body-roll compensation;
ceramic
composite brakes that would stop a meth-addled elephant; and four
wheel
steering. The Sport Plus mode includes a new track-only routine
that
allows drivers to pitch the car around good and sideways (large
deltas
in yaw rate) before it tugs the appropriate brake to set things
right. Of course, the driver can't feel it, so he thinks he is a
genius behind the wheel.
Ditto the car's four-wheel steering. A little late on
your
braking and heading into the short grass? Take another bite of
tiller
and four-wheel steering is there for you, bro.
You can't even row your own gears. The seven-speed PDK
is
equipped with paddle-shifter, of course, but the transmission
-control
algorithms are now so precise, so predictive, that shifting by hand
would be quite a bit slower.
"I just leave it in D" said Mr. Hurley Haywood. "It's
smarter than you are."
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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References
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2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_935
3. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
4. mailto:cengles at cox.net
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