[DeTomaso] Driver's side window motor

Garth Rodericks garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 12 17:49:25 EDT 2016


Yes, my switches are the stock original window switches. 

      From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
 To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Cc: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>; DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Phone Richard Bosch <theemonkey at yahoo.com>; John Buckman <jb841 at cox.net>; Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Driver's side window motor
   
Either that or they were replaced by a previous owner. Do you KNOW they are stock?

Somewhere on my hard drive I have a good photo comparing the two side by side. The differences are subtle. The stock switches have sharp pointed features while the Bosch switches are more rounded....

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:38, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

>  Ah.  All mine are stock.  And working.... <knock on wood>  ;-)
> 
>  "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> 
>    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> 
>  Terry W. Himes
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
>  From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>  of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>  Reply-To: Mike Drew <[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>  Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:03 AM
>  To: Forest Goodhart <[5]forestg at att.net>
>  Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Phone
>  Richard Bosch <[7]theemonkey at yahoo.com>, John Buckman
>  <[8]jb841 at cox.net>, Garth Rodericks <[9]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Driver's side window motor
> 
>  Garth,
>  Do you still have the stock switches? Few stock switches are still
>  working anymore--they have a finite lifespan. The stock replacements
>  from Wilkinson are notorious for poor quality (I've held one that was
>  broken in the package!). For years people have used Bosch replacements
>  which look almost identical to stock. In fact so many cars have them
>  that many people don't even realize they aren't stock!
>  So, what kind do you have?
>  Mike
>  Sent from my iPhone
>  On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:32, Forest Goodhart <[10]forestg at att.net> wrote:
> 
>      Garth,
> 
>      Do you see any movement of the ammeter when you operate the switch?
> 
>      Window motors do not have any relays in the circuit but they have a
> 
>      built in circuit breaker in the motor.
> 
>      Start with a jumper directly from the battery to the motor and see
>  what
> 
>      happens. Power to one lead, ground to the other. Revers for
>  operation
> 
>      the other direction.
> 
>      Forest
> 
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> 
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>      Cc: Phone Richard Bosch <[13]theemonkey at yahoo.com>; John Buckman
> 
>      <[14]jb841 at cox.net>
> 
>      Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:01 AM
> 
>      Subject: [DeTomaso] Driver's side window motor
> 
>        Another electrical issue that developed on the way home from the
> 
>      Niello
> 
>        Concours last week...
> 
>        My driver's side window motor no longer operates.  I've never
>  before
> 
>        had a problem with the window motors. Driving home Sunday evening
>  I
> 
>      had
> 
>        the window down a couple inches for some airflow in the cabin
>  (since
> 
>        the heater/AC blower fan was not working).  I closed the window
>  for a
> 
>        few minutes then when I tried to re-open it the motor made a
> 
>      momentary
> 
>        noise like it was starting to lower the window, then
>  stopped.  After
> 
>        that, nothing!  No noise or movement either up or down.
> 
>        I tried replacing the switch with a new Bosche switch, and no
>  change.
> 
>        I removed the door panel and verified it's not the dreaded window
> 
>      gear
> 
>        issue - the motor is not turning at all.
> 
>        I've lowered the window manually with the emergency crank and
>  still
> 
>      no
> 
>        movement, regardless of the window's position.
> 
>        I checked voltage on the different posts with my multimeter and
>  found
> 
>        that one of the contacts was only getting about 3-4 volts when the
> 
>        switch was put in the down position, and the other contact got
>  11-12
> 
>        volts when the switch was put in the up position, but no movement
>  in
> 
>        either direction regardless.
> 
>        The passenger side window works fine and the motor has the same
>  11-12
> 
>        volts at either post depending on the switch position - up/down.
> 
>        All fuses are good.
> 
>        Any thoughts on where to look for the problem?  Or suggestions on
>  how
> 
>        to further diagnose?
> 
>        I cannot see any break in the wiring or a poor connection
>  somewhere.
> 
>        Again, could this be a relay issue?  The stock wiring harness
>  appears
> 
>        untouched in this area behind the switch console and under the
>  dash.
> 
>        I have not yet tried running a jumper wire directly to the motor
>  from
> 
>        the switch.  I suppose that should be my next step.
> 
>        Again, open to any ideas. Can't really drive the car anywhere if I
> 
>        can't close the windows and lock it up.
> 
>        Cheers!
> 
>        Garth
> 
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   Yes, my switches are the stock original window switches.
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Cc: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>; DeTomaso Mail List
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Phone Richard Bosch
   <theemonkey at yahoo.com>; John Buckman <jb841 at cox.net>; Garth Rodericks
   <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:49 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Driver's side window motor
   Either that or they were replaced by a previous owner. Do you KNOW they
   are stock?
   Somewhere on my hard drive I have a good photo comparing the two side
   by side. The differences are subtle. The stock switches have sharp
   pointed features while the Bosch switches are more rounded....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:38, "Himes, Terry (397C)"
   <[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
   >  Ah.  All mine are stock.  And working.... <knock on wood>  ;-)
   >
   >  "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >
   >    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >
   >  Terry W. Himes
   >
   >  JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   >
   >  Dawn Spacecraft Team
   >
   >  Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   >
   >  Phone: (818) 393-6261
   >
   >  Cell:    (818) 653-8213
   >
   >  Fax:    (818) 393-3147
   >
   >  [1][2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   >
   >  From: DeTomaso <[2][3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
   >  of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[3][4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >  Reply-To: Mike Drew <[4][5]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   >  Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:03 AM
   >  To: Forest Goodhart <[5][6]forestg at att.net>
   >  Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[6][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,
   Phone
   >  Richard Bosch <[7][8]theemonkey at yahoo.com>, John Buckman
   >  <[8][9]jb841 at cox.net>, Garth Rodericks
   <[9][10]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
   >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Driver's side window motor
   >
   >  Garth,
   >  Do you still have the stock switches? Few stock switches are still
   >  working anymore--they have a finite lifespan. The stock replacements
   >  from Wilkinson are notorious for poor quality (I've held one that
   was
   >  broken in the package!). For years people have used Bosch
   replacements
   >  which look almost identical to stock. In fact so many cars have them
   >  that many people don't even realize they aren't stock!
   >  So, what kind do you have?
   >  Mike
   >  Sent from my iPhone
   >  On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:32, Forest Goodhart <[10][11]forestg at att.net>
   wrote:
   >
   >      Garth,
   >
   >      Do you see any movement of the ammeter when you operate the
   switch?
   >
   >      Window motors do not have any relays in the circuit but they
   have a
   >
   >      built in circuit breaker in the motor.
   >
   >      Start with a jumper directly from the battery to the motor and
   see
   >  what
   >
   >      happens. Power to one lead, ground to the other. Revers for
   >  operation
   >
   >      the other direction.
   >
   >      Forest
   >
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >      From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
   >  <[11][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >
   >      To: DeTomaso Mail List
   <[12][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >
   >      Cc: Phone Richard Bosch <[13][14]theemonkey at yahoo.com>; John
   Buckman
   >
   >      <[14][15]jb841 at cox.net>
   >
   >      Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:01 AM
   >
   >      Subject: [DeTomaso] Driver's side window motor
   >
   >        Another electrical issue that developed on the way home from
   the
   >
   >      Niello
   >
   >        Concours last week...
   >
   >        My driver's side window motor no longer operates.  I've never
   >  before
   >
   >        had a problem with the window motors. Driving home Sunday
   evening
   >  I
   >
   >      had
   >
   >        the window down a couple inches for some airflow in the cabin
   >  (since
   >
   >        the heater/AC blower fan was not working).  I closed the
   window
   >  for a
   >
   >        few minutes then when I tried to re-open it the motor made a
   >
   >      momentary
   >
   >        noise like it was starting to lower the window, then
   >  stopped.  After
   >
   >        that, nothing!  No noise or movement either up or down.
   >
   >        I tried replacing the switch with a new Bosche switch, and no
   >  change.
   >
   >        I removed the door panel and verified it's not the dreaded
   window
   >
   >      gear
   >
   >        issue - the motor is not turning at all.
   >
   >        I've lowered the window manually with the emergency crank and
   >  still
   >
   >      no
   >
   >        movement, regardless of the window's position.
   >
   >        I checked voltage on the different posts with my multimeter
   and
   >  found
   >
   >        that one of the contacts was only getting about 3-4 volts when
   the
   >
   >        switch was put in the down position, and the other contact got
   >  11-12
   >
   >        volts when the switch was put in the up position, but no
   movement
   >  in
   >
   >        either direction regardless.
   >
   >        The passenger side window works fine and the motor has the
   same
   >  11-12
   >
   >        volts at either post depending on the switch position -
   up/down.
   >
   >        All fuses are good.
   >
   >        Any thoughts on where to look for the problem?  Or suggestions
   on
   >  how
   >
   >        to further diagnose?
   >
   >        I cannot see any break in the wiring or a poor connection
   >  somewhere.
   >
   >        Again, could this be a relay issue?  The stock wiring harness
   >  appears
   >
   >        untouched in this area behind the switch console and under the
   >  dash.
   >
   >        I have not yet tried running a jumper wire directly to the
   motor
   >  from
   >
   >        the switch.  I suppose that should be my next step.
   >
   >        Again, open to any ideas. Can't really drive the car anywhere
   if I
   >
   >        can't close the windows and lock it up.
   >
   >        Cheers!
   >
   >        Garth
   >
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