[DeTomaso] No racing again at the 2017 POCA Fun Rally?
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sun Nov 20 13:13:43 EST 2016
Dan,
It's a fact of life that tracks have had to adjust their operating model to stay alive, that means higher cost, more noise restrictions and in some cases private memberships. That survival model seems to be more prevalent on the leftist coast where people move close to existing facilities and promptly try to shut them down.
The reality is there are not many venues left where the Fun Rally can logistically be combined with a track event and even if it could noise restrictions would likely impact Pantera entries.
Reno was one of the options under consideration for the 2017 Fun Rally, but Reno-Fernley Raceway has not operated for 3-4 years now. That might change soon as I heard within the last week the facility has sold to a new owner who intends to invest and get it operational again, but no idea what cost will be to repave ad how that will be recovered in rental cost. Reno is growing rapidly now Tech industry is moving out of CA, so locally we are hopeful that the influx will provide enough racing/speed enthusiasts so the track can survive. Maybe hold out until 2018 and we'll see what we can do, but no promises because at the end of the day if enough racers don't step up then it can't go no matter what.
We the racers have heavily subsidized or sponsored a lot of the prior track events to make them viable. Bob Benson tried to get racers interested in a track event last year, I think he got 18 committed, way too few to make a viable event without some heavy sponsorship. Given that is 18 people out of the 250 or so who attend the Fun Rally, we have to accept the majority that have no interest in a track event and would rather piss the money away on an open bar. It's "Not my Fun Rally" model but I'm not going to go crying in the street because of it [😉] .
Following the model that Mr Shortt was trying to promote we should all get together and plan a Racers Chapter event or attend one of the Checkered Flag events at Willow Springs.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Dan Courtney <dan at excaliburre.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:38 AM
To: Ed Mendez
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] No racing again at the 2017 POCA Fun Rally?
Ed, I want to be clear that my comments are in no way a personal attack at you.
I have no idea what happened to keep us from once again holding what I consider the centerpiece of a Pantera Fun Rally because, unlike you, I didn't commit time, energy and exposure to coordinating this complex endeavor.
Thank you for working on behalf of the Club.
But please do your best to ensure we don't go three consecutive years without a PANTERA track event.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> </div><div>Date:11/19/2016 3:55 PM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: Dan Courtney <dan at excaliburre.com> </div><div>Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com </div><div>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] No racing again at the 2017 POCA Fun Rally? </div><div>
</div>You can race, but you'll have to get with the SCCA in order to join their event that same weekend. SCCA race licensing and compliance. Its financially infeasible and not prudent for the majority of membership to subsidize a track event benefiting a very small portion of the membership. Track costs and insurance makes it cost prohibitive. Individual racers can get with the SCCA and race that weekend.
This will be a great event not to be missed.
Ed
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On Nov 19, 2016, at 14:49, Dan Courtney <dan at excaliburre.com> wrote:
>
> Ed, Monterey is a great place for a car event, but thatas primarily
> because of the ability to race on a world class track.
> Iam really, really disappointed that POCA is once again ignoring and
> alienating the racers in the Club.
> Two years in a row without a track event? Whatas the point in having a
> Pantera track car if you canat compete against other Panteras?
> Parade laps are nice for daily drivers but not worth trailering a race
> car for a 1,000 mile trip.
> I thought last year was a one time foul-up, but now itas looking like
> the Club doesnat care about itas racing contingency, or about the
> Pantera racing tradition.
> As of this moment Iad say count me, The Beast and The Winged Warrior,
> out.
> Maybe Iall get over this by Spring, if anyone cares, but I strongly
> feel that the ability to host a Pantera track day should be a top
> priority in selecting a venue for any Fun Rally.
>
> Dan Courtney
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Dan,
It's a fact of life that tracks have had to adjust their operating
model to stay alive, that means higher cost, more noise restrictions
and in some cases private memberships. That survival model seems to be
more prevalent on the leftist coast where people move close to
existing facilities and promptly try to shut them down.
The reality is there are not many venues left where the Fun Rally can
logistically be combined with a track event and even if it could noise
restrictions would likely impact Pantera entries.
Reno was one of the options under consideration for the 2017 Fun Rally,
but Reno-Fernley Raceway has not operated for 3-4 years now. That might
change soon as I heard within the last week the facility has sold to a
new owner who intends to invest and get it operational again, but no
idea what cost will be to repave ad how that will be recovered in
rental cost. Reno is growing rapidly now Tech industry is moving out
of CA, so locally we are hopeful that the influx will provide enough
racing/speed enthusiasts so the track can survive. Maybe hold out until
2018 and we'll see what we can do, but no promises because at the end
of the day if enough racers don't step up then it can't go no matter
what.
We the racers have heavily subsidized or sponsored a lot of the prior
track events to make them viable. Bob Benson tried to get racers
interested in a track event last year, I think he got 18 committed, way
too few to make a viable event without some heavy sponsorship. Given
that is 18 people out of the 250 or so who attend the Fun Rally, we
have to accept the majority that have no interest in a track event
and would rather piss the money away on an open bar. It's "Not my Fun
Rally" model but I'm not going to go crying in the street because of it
U1F609 .
Following the model that Mr Shortt was trying to promote we should all
get together and plan a Racers Chapter event or attend one of the
Checkered Flag events at Willow Springs.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Dan Courtney <dan at excaliburre.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:38 AM
To: Ed Mendez
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] No racing again at the 2017 POCA Fun Rally?
Ed, I want to be clear that my comments are in no way a personal attack
at you.
I have no idea what happened to keep us from once again holding what I
consider the centerpiece of a Pantera Fun Rally because, unlike you, I
didn't commit time, energy and exposure to coordinating this complex
endeavor.
Thank you for working on behalf of the Club.
But please do your best to ensure we don't go three consecutive years
without a PANTERA track event.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Ed Mendez
<edducati at mac.com> </div><div>Date:11/19/2016 3:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
</div><div>To: Dan Courtney <dan at excaliburre.com> </div><div>Cc:
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com </div><div>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] No
racing again at the 2017 POCA Fun Rally? </div><div>
</div>You can race, but you'll have to get with the SCCA in order to
join their event that same weekend. SCCA race licensing and compliance.
Its financially infeasible and not prudent for the majority of
membership to subsidize a track event benefiting a very small portion
of the membership. Track costs and insurance makes it cost prohibitive.
Individual racers can get with the SCCA and race that weekend.
This will be a great event not to be missed.
Ed
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On Nov 19, 2016, at 14:49, Dan Courtney <dan at excaliburre.com> wrote:
>
> Ed, Monterey is a great place for a car event, but thatas primarily
> because of the ability to race on a world class track.
> Iam really, really disappointed that POCA is once again ignoring
and
> alienating the racers in the Club.
> Two years in a row without a track event? Whatas the point in
having a
> Pantera track car if you canat compete against other Panteras?
> Parade laps are nice for daily drivers but not worth trailering a
race
> car for a 1,000 mile trip.
> I thought last year was a one time foul-up, but now itas looking
like
> the Club doesnat care about itas racing contingency, or about the
> Pantera racing tradition.
> As of this moment Iad say count me, The Beast and The Winged
Warrior,
> out.
> Maybe Iall get over this by Spring, if anyone cares, but I strongly
> feel that the ability to host a Pantera track day should be a top
> priority in selecting a venue for any Fun Rally.
>
> Dan Courtney
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