[DeTomaso] No racing again at the 2017 POCA Fun Rally?

Dan Courtney dan at excaliburre.com
Sun Nov 20 13:07:52 EST 2016


Well said, Rich.
Watching Pantera’s go toe to toe against other Pantera’s at my first Fun Rally in the early ‘90’s motivated me to make my car faster and faster, so I could eventually participate, and hopefully be competitive, against the likes of Dennis Quella, Greg Eshakoff, Charlie Puckett and Bob Benson (mAD dAWG is too chik’n to race on a track, where he can be seen).
I entered the race several Rally’s later and spent the “off-season” buying parts and building the car.
I started running other track events as “practice” and to work out the tweaks, so I could make a good showing at the annual Pantera race.
Eventually I bought an old track car, sitting since the ‘70’s, and completely re-designed and re-built it, spending tens of thousand of dollars with our vendors and, it feels like, a like number of hard hours, creating “The Beast”.
But where’s the Show?
Where do we get a chance to run head-to-head with all the other hot-shots who have done the same with their Pantera?
Sure, I can race any weekend at local tracks against Porches, Vettes, GT’s, etc. but that wasn’t the point of this ten year project.
The point was to build the fastest Pantera, and to prove it at the annual gunfight by blowing the doors off Greg Esakoff.
I’m really, really disappointed that the Club didn’t double up it’s efforts to secure a track event after last year’s fiasco, and I might not be the only one.
Panteras were created to be driven fast, and to be seen and heard doing so.

DanTomaso Courtney 



From: Rich Hoppe 
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 8:27 AM
To: Jeff Detrich 
Cc: Ed Mendez ; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com ; Dan Courtney 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] No racing again at the 2017 POCA Fun Rally?

I would also be interested in a track event.
I realize it will not happen in 2017.
I am not complaining but I want to respond to the statement that track events should not be paid by POCA.
I disagree with that.
It is clearly a Pantera car function for people that want to drive with other pantera cars at speed on the track.
I realize not everyone is interested in driving or watching the track events.
But for argument sake we could also use anything to separate the differences of owners.
I like drinking beer but a person could say why do we spend money on open bars when not everyone uses the free stuff.
We could go on and on about how this function is only for a few or that is only for a few etc.
I get annoyed that the club had over $100k in the acct but did not have money for a $5k co sponsor track function.
It is small thinking.

Rich Hoppe

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 5:01 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

     The racing event was also important for a number of members who went
     and watched the racing and enjoyed walking the pit area. The Lone Star
     FunA
     Rally was a good example of coordinating the fun rally dates with a
     track event run by a third party with less onerous requirements than
     getting an SCCA license.
     Jeff
     6559

     On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Ed Mendez <[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:

       You can race, but you'll have to get with the SCCA in order to join
       their event that same weekend. SCCA race licensing and compliance.
       Its financially infeasible and not prudent for the majority of
       membership to subsidize a track event benefiting a very small
       portion of the membership. Track costs and insurance makes it cost
       prohibitive. Individual racers can get with the SCCA and race that
       weekend.
       This will be a great event not to be missed.
       Ed
       Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus

     > On Nov 19, 2016, at 14:49, Dan Courtney <[2]dan at excaliburre.com>
     wrote:
     >
     >A  A Ed, Monterey is a great place for a car event, but thatas
     primarily
     >A  A because of the ability to race on a world class track.
     >A  A Iam really, really disappointed that POCA is once again ignoring
     and
     >A  A alienating the racers in the Club.
     >A  A Two years in a row without a track event? Whatas the point in
     having a
     >A  A Pantera track car if you canat compete against other Panteras?
     >A  A Parade laps are nice for daily drivers but not worth trailering a
     race
     >A  A car for a 1,000 mile trip.
     >A  A I thought last year was a one time foul-up, but now itas looking
     like
     >A  A the Club doesnat care about itas racing contingency, or about the
     >A  A Pantera racing tradition.
     >A  A As of this moment Iad say count me, The Beast and The Winged
     Warrior,
     >A  A out.
     >A  A Maybe Iall get over this by Spring, if anyone cares, but I
     strongly
     >A  A feel that the ability to host a Pantera track day should be a top
     >A  A priority in selecting a venue for any Fun Rally.
     >
     >A  A Dan Courtney

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   Well said, Rich.
   Watching Panteraas go toe to toe against other Panteraas at my first
   Fun Rally in the early a90as motivated me to make my car faster and
   faster, so I could eventually participate, and hopefully be
   competitive, against the likes of Dennis Quella, Greg Eshakoff, Charlie
   Puckett and Bob Benson (mAD dAWG is too chikan to race on a track,
   where he can be seen).
   I entered the race several Rallyas later and spent the aoff-seasona
   buying parts and building the car.
   I started running other track events as apracticea and to work out the
   tweaks, so I could make a good showing at the annual Pantera race.
   Eventually I bought an old track car, sitting since the a70as, and
   completely re-designed and re-built it, spending tens of thousand of
   dollars with our vendors and, it feels like, a like number of hard
   hours, creating aThe Beasta.
   But whereas the Show?
   Where do we get a chance to run head-to-head with all the other
   hot-shots who have done the same with their Pantera?
   Sure, I can race any weekend at local tracks against Porches, Vettes,
   GTas, etc. but that wasnat the point of this ten year project.
   The point was to build the fastest Pantera, and to prove it at the
   annual gunfight by blowing the doors off Greg Esakoff.
   Iam really, really disappointed that the Club didnat double up itas
   efforts to secure a track event after last yearas fiasco, and I might
   not be the only one.
   Panteras were created to be driven fast, and to be seen and heard doing
   so.

   DanTomaso Courtney



   From: Rich Hoppe
   Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 8:27 AM
   To: Jeff Detrich
   Cc: Ed Mendez ; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com ; Dan Courtney
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] No racing again at the 2017 POCA Fun Rally?

   I would also be interested in a track event.
   I realize it will not happen in 2017.
   I am not complaining but I want to respond to the statement that track
   events should not be paid by POCA.
   I disagree with that.
   It is clearly a Pantera car function for people that want to drive with
   other pantera cars at speed on the track.
   I realize not everyone is interested in driving or watching the track
   events.
   But for argument sake we could also use anything to separate the
   differences of owners.
   I like drinking beer but a person could say why do we spend money on
   open bars when not everyone uses the free stuff.
   We could go on and on about how this function is only for a few or that
   is only for a few etc.
   I get annoyed that the club had over $100k in the acct but did not have
   money for a $5k co sponsor track function.
   It is small thinking.

   Rich Hoppe

   On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 5:01 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   wrote:

        The racing event was also important for a number of members who
     went
        and watched the racing and enjoyed walking the pit area. The Lone
     Star
        FunA
        Rally was a good example of coordinating the fun rally dates with
     a
        track event run by a third party with less onerous requirements
     than
        getting an SCCA license.
        Jeff
        6559
        On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Ed Mendez <[1]edducati at mac.com>
     wrote:
          You can race, but you'll have to get with the SCCA in order to
     join
          their event that same weekend. SCCA race licensing and
     compliance.
          Its financially infeasible and not prudent for the majority of
          membership to subsidize a track event benefiting a very small
          portion of the membership. Track costs and insurance makes it
     cost
          prohibitive. Individual racers can get with the SCCA and race
     that
          weekend.
          This will be a great event not to be missed.
          Ed
          Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
        > On Nov 19, 2016, at 14:49, Dan Courtney
     <[2]dan at excaliburre.com>
        wrote:
        >
        >A  A Ed, Monterey is a great place for a car event, but thatas
        primarily
        >A  A because of the ability to race on a world class track.
        >A  A Iam really, really disappointed that POCA is once again
     ignoring
        and
        >A  A alienating the racers in the Club.
        >A  A Two years in a row without a track event? Whatas the point
     in
        having a
        >A  A Pantera track car if you canat compete against other
     Panteras?
        >A  A Parade laps are nice for daily drivers but not worth
     trailering a
        race
        >A  A car for a 1,000 mile trip.
        >A  A I thought last year was a one time foul-up, but now itas
     looking
        like
        >A  A the Club doesnat care about itas racing contingency, or
     about the
        >A  A Pantera racing tradition.
        >A  A As of this moment Iad say count me, The Beast and The
     Winged
        Warrior,
        >A  A out.
        >A  A Maybe Iall get over this by Spring, if anyone cares, but I
        strongly
        >A  A feel that the ability to host a Pantera track day should be
     a top
        >A  A priority in selecting a venue for any Fun Rally.
        >
        >A  A Dan Courtney
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