[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
Charles McCall
charlesmccall at gmail.com
Mon Nov 14 15:49:46 EST 2016
Larry - it *IS* your carb!
:-) (True story)
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
wrote:
> Run it at 6 degrees advance and turn down the idle screws quarter to half
> turn in to lean. If that doesn't doit, Run my carburetor.
> Larry
>
> On 11/14/16 11:39 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes emissions
> to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding
> a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine
> to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately
> warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not
> too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie-
> J Deryke
>
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> Today's Topics:
> 1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
> 2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
> (Mike Reilly)
> 3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
> (Pantdino)
> 4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
> 5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
> (Richard Greenblum)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
> From: Charles McCall <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
> Message-ID: <000601d23dd4$096571d0$1c305570$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Hi all
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> that I
> have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more than
> 15
> years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it once
> with a
> garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more or
> less
> what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
> instructions.
> Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> carb
> (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> breathe
> before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The last
> few
> times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
> even
> after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
> rough.
> Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
> difference.
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will,
> not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
> -------------- next part --------------
> Hi all
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
> find new homes I think!
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
> ------------------------------
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
> From: Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms at live.com>
> To: marshallgsmith <[8]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike Drew
> <[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Message-ID:
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> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
> replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: marshallgsmith<[14]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
> McCall<[16]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc:
> <[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><[18]mailto:detomaso at server.detom
> asolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <[20]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[21]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[23]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [[24]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To: [25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [26]http://w7tsc.org
> > [27]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <detomaso-[28]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> [29]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be happy
> to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing. Thanks
> >>> all!
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> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]<[41]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> ------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[42]detomaso at server.detoasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall<[43]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[44]detomaso at server.detomasolst.com>"
> <[45]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[46]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][47]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To: [48]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
> it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [6][49]http://w7tsc.org
> > [7][50]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <detomaso-[51]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> [52]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >>> all!
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
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> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
> From: Pantdino <[77]pantdino at aol.com>
> To: [78]charlesmccall at gmail.com
> Cc: [79]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
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> I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around he
> block in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall
> <[80]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I have a
> problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to the
> testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get in
> line and wait.
> Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15 minutes,
> and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was horrible. I
> knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine running.
> It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut off
> would mean a fairly cold block.
> I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine but
> without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but carbon)
> The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the heck out
> of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs out?
> From: Asa Jay Laughton [[81]mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
> To: Charles McCall
> Cc: [82]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> No Charlie, you misunderstand...
> An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It will
> be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how "warmed
> up it is."
> You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it. It
> needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,..... Blow
> out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle for
> any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT spend
> time idling in line, it will kill your test.
> Asa
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> Charles McCall <[1][83]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I
> can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines
> tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore
> we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little
> for
> the test.
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
> the current settings can work.
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow
> it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> Thanks again!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[2][84]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [3][85]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
> Asa
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [4][86]http://w7tsc.org
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> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> > You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >
> > My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
> > which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >
> > If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> > good cleaning.
> >
> > The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
> > for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
> > pass.
> >
> > On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> > <[6]detomaso-[88]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> > [7][89]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> due
> >> to two points:
> >>
> >> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
> >> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
> >> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>
> >> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
> >> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>
> >> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
> to
> >> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
> >> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
> >> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
> >> J
> >>
> >> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
> >> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
> >> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >> here.
> >>
> >>
> >> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >> all!
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> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
> From: Will Kooiman <[117]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Charles McCall <[118]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: Detomaso Email List <[119]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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> Good catch on the air filter.
> Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle screws.
> This increases NOx, but reduces CO.
> That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter. It's too
> rich.
> Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's where you
> get the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall
> <[121]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> >
> > I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> > that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
> > more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> > rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition
> of
> > the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> > followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have
> to
> > find new homes I think!
> >
> >
> > I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No,
> I
> > wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> > carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> > breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
> > The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever
> to
> > warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
> > and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
> stumbles...
> > I could feel a difference.
> >
> >
> > No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> > Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
> From: Richard Greenblum <[124]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
> To: "<[125]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[126]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
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> I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
> bought
> into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera. Never
> noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car. When
> my
> K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and
> re-oiling,
> I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA car
> crew
> chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better off with
> a
> quality paper filter.
> Richard
> Austin, TX
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[128]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of Mike
> Reilly <[129]reillyms at live.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
> To: marshallgsmith <[130]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
> <[131]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[132]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[133]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[134]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]<[135]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[136]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <[137]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[138]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[139]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[140]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][141]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To: [142]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
> it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
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> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <detomaso-[145]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> [146]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >>> all!
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>>
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> I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
> bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
> Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
> When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
> and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
> an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
> you're better off with a quality paper filter.
> Richard
> Austin, TX
> From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-[173]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf
> of Mike Reilly <[2][174]reillyms at live.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
> To: marshallgsmith <[3][175]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
> <[4][176]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
> <[5][177]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[6][178]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[7][179]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
> just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
> it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]<[8][180]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
> air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9][181]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <[10][182]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[11][183]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[12][184]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
> the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
> how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
> re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
> <[13][185]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
> it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
> but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
> the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
> believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
> really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
> dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
> to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][14][186]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To: [15][187]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
> overheating). Take
> it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
> get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
> while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [6][16][188]http://w7tsc.org
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> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
> carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
> it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
> tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <[18]detomaso-[190]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> [19][191]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
> few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
> be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
> The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
> I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
> at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
> the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
> public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
> chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
> massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >>> all!
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Larry - it *IS* your carb!
:-) (True story)
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Larry Stock
<[1]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
Run it at 6 degrees advance and turn down the idle screws quarter to
half
turn in to lean. If that doesn't doit, Run my carburetor.
Larry
On 11/14/16 11:39 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via
DeTomaso"
<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes
emissions
A A to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before
adding
A A a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause
the engine
A A to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a
moderately
A A warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees
(not
A A too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck,
Charlie-
A A J Deryke
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: detomaso-request <[4]detomaso-request at server.
detomasolist.com>
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A A Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2016 9:00 am
A A Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
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A A Daily Detomaso List Digest
A A Today's Topics:
A A 1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
A A 2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
A A (Mike Reilly)
A A 3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
A A (Pantdino)
A A 4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
A A 5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
A A (Richard Greenblum)
A A ------------------------------------------------------------
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A A Message: 1
A A Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
A A From: Charles McCall <[5][10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6][11]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
A A Message-ID: <000601d23dd4$096571d0$1c305570$@[12]gmail.com>
A A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
A A Hi all
A A I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's
just say
A A that I
A A have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than
A A 15
A A years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing
it once
A A with a
A A garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was
more or
A A less
A A what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
A A instructions.
A A Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
A A I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter
removed. No, I
A A wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to
protect the
A A carb
A A (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
A A breathe
A A before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
The last
A A few
A A times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm
up -
A A even
A A after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a
little
A A rough.
A A Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel
a
A A difference.
A A No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
A A Will,
A A not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
A A -------------- next part --------------
A A Hi all
A A I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's
just say
A A that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this
filter is
A A more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I
remember
A A rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the
condition of
A A the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had
never
A A followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will
have to
A A find new homes I think!
A A I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter
removed. No, I
A A wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to
protect the
A A carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
A A breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
A A The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking
forever to
A A warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt,
well, cold
A A and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
A A I could feel a difference.
A A No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
A A Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
A A ------------------------------
A A Message: 2
A A Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
A A From: Mike Reilly <[7][13]reillyms at live.com>
A A To: marshallgsmith <[8][14]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike
Drew
A A <[9][15]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[10][16]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[11][17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[12][18]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A Message-ID:
A A <[13]MWHPR13MB180819E0A07EB284DFA9BA93BABD0 at MWHPR13MB1808.
namprd13.prod
A A .[19]outlook.com>
A A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
A A replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep it
A A simple!
A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A From: marshallgsmith<[14]mailto:[20]mars
hallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:[21]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
A A McCall<[16]mailto:[22]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc:
A A <[17][23]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><[18]mailto:[24]d
etomaso at server.detom
A A [25]asolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts air
A A flow slightly.
A A M
A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A -------- Original message --------
A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[19][26]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com>
A A Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
A A To: Charles McCall <[20][27]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[21][28]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[22][29]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A Charlie,
A A You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter.
But you
A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing the
A A test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There
are how-to
A A videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
A A with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle
shop.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[23][30]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A > Thank you to all who answered.
A A >
A A > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The
car was
A A literally
A A > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
A A temperatures, so
A A > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting, it
A A would be
A A > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay, but
A A I can
A A > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
A A lines tend
A A > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A >
A A > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
A A therefore we
A A > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the
rpm a
A A little for
A A > the test.
A A >
A A > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with the
A A timing
A A > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
A A that
A A > the current settings can work.
A A >
A A > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
A A > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in
the dust,
A A driven
A A > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
A A Tomorrow it's
A A > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the
air
A A cleaner
A A > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
A A make
A A > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A >
A A > Thanks again!
A A >
A A > -----Original Message-----
A A > From: DeTomaso [[24]mailto:[31]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com]
A A On Behalf
A A > Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A > Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A > To: [25][32]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my car
A A > does....)
A A >
A A > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take it
A A > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
A A emissions
A A > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
A A > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
A A >
A A > Asa
A A >
A A > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A > & Shelley Marie
A A > Spokane, WA
A A > ******************************
A A > [26][33]http://w7tsc.org
A A > [27][34]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A >
A A >
A A > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A >>
A A >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the carb
A A -
A A >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A gasoline.
A A >>
A A >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
A A needs a
A A >> good cleaning.
A A >>
A A >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
A A back
A A >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere
and tune
A A it to
A A >> pass.
A A >>
A A >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
A A >> <detomaso-[28][35]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
A A >> [29][36]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >>
A A >>> Hi all
A A >>>
A A >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and failed
A A > due
A A >>> to two points:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
A A weeks
A A >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to be
A A able
A A >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high. The
A A > limit
A A >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
A A engine
A A >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
A A >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the test?
A A >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
A A remember
A A >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N. I
A A seem
A A > to
A A >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest at
A A idle?
A A >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass the
A A test.
A A >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be happy
A A to
A A >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which I've
A A >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
A A > forum
A A >>> J
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
A A engine?
A A >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
A A >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
A A >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
A A relevant
A A >>> here.
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing. Thanks
A A >>> all!
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A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
A A replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep it
A A simple!
A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A From: [1]marshallgsmith
A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
A A Cc: [4]<[41][49]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts air
A A flow slightly.
A A M
A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A ------- Original message --------
A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[42][50]detomaso at server.
detoasolist.com>
A A Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
A A To: Charles McCall<[43][51]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[44][52]detomaso at server.detomasolst.com>"
A A <[45][53]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A Charlie,
A A You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter.
But you
A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing the
A A test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There
are how-to
A A videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
A A with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle
shop.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[46][54]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A > Thank you to all who answered.
A A >
A A > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The
car was
A A literally
A A > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
A A temperatures, so
A A > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting, it
A A would be
A A > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay, but
A A I can
A A > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
A A lines tend
A A > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A >
A A > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
A A therefore we
A A > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the
rpm a
A A little for
A A > the test.
A A >
A A > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with the
A A timing
A A > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
A A that
A A > the current settings can work.
A A >
A A > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
A A > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in
the dust,
A A driven
A A > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
A A Tomorrow it's
A A > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the
air
A A cleaner
A A > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
A A make
A A > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A >
A A > Thanks again!
A A >
A A > -----Original Message-----
A A > From: DeTomaso
A A [[5][47]mailto:[55]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
A A On Behalf
A A > Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A > To: [48][56]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my car
A A > does....)
A A >
A A > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take
A A it
A A > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
A A emissions
A A > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
A A > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
A A >
A A > Asa
A A >
A A > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A > & Shelley Marie
A A > Spokane, WA
A A > ******************************
A A > [6][49][57]http://w7tsc.org
A A > [7][50][58]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A >
A A >
A A > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A >>
A A >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the carb
A A -
A A >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A gasoline.
A A >>
A A >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
A A needs a
A A >> good cleaning.
A A >>
A A >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
A A back
A A >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere
and tune
A A it to
A A >> pass.
A A >>
A A >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
A A >> <detomaso-[51][59]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
A A >> [52][60]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >>
A A >>> Hi all
A A >>>
A A >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and
A A failed
A A > due
A A >>> to two points:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
A A weeks
A A >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to be
A A able
A A >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high. The
A A > limit
A A >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
A A engine
A A >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
A A nothing
A A >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
A A test?
A A >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
A A remember
A A >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N. I
A A seem
A A > to
A A >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest at
A A idle?
A A >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass the
A A test.
A A >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
A A happy to
A A >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
A A I've
A A >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
A A > forum
A A >>> J
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
A A engine?
A A >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
A A >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
A A >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
A A relevant
A A >>> here.
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
A A Thanks
A A >>> all!
A A >>> _______________________________________________
A A >>>
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A A References
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A A 2. [65]mailto:[73]MikeLDrew at aol.com
A A 3. [66]mailto:[74]charlesmccall at gmail.com
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A A Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
A A From: Pantdino <[77][85]pantdino at aol.com>
A A To: [78][86]charlesmccall at gmail.com
A A Cc: [79][87]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
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A A I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car
around he
A A block in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
A A Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
A A On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall
A A <[80][89]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I
have a
A A problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive
to the
A A testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to
get in
A A line and wait.
A A Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15
minutes,
A A and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was
horrible. I
A A knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine
running.
A A It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut
off
A A would mean a fairly cold block.
A A I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine
but
A A without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but
carbon)
A A The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the
heck out
A A of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the
cobwebs out?
A A From: Asa Jay Laughton [[81]mailto:[90]asajay at asajay.com]
A A Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
A A To: Charles McCall
A A Cc: [82][91]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A No Charlie, you misunderstand...
A A An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It
will
A A be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how
"warmed
A A up it is."
A A You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test
it. It
A A needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken
high,..... Blow
A A out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you
idle for
A A any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT
spend
A A time idling in line, it will kill your test.
A A Asa
A A Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
A A Charles McCall <[1][83][92]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A Thank you to all who answered.
A A I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car
was
A A literally
A A idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
A A temperatures, so
A A I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting, it
A A would be
A A difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay, but I
A A can
A A let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The lines
A A tend
A A to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore
A A we
A A should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm
a little
A A for
A A the test.
A A I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with the
A A timing
A A - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
A A that
A A the current settings can work.
A A I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
A A clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
A A driven
A A down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow
A A it's
A A supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
A A removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
A A make
A A me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A Thanks again!
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: DeTomaso [[2][84]mailto:[93]detomaso-
bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
A A On
A A Behalf
A A Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A To: [3][85][94]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take it
A A for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
A A tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
A A better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
A A Asa
A A Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A & Shelley Marie
A A Spokane, WA
A A ******************************
A A [4][86][95]http://w7tsc.org
A A [5][87][96]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A > You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A >
A A > My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the carb
A A -
A A > which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A gasoline.
A A >
A A > If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
A A needs a
A A > good cleaning.
A A >
A A > The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
A A back
A A > for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
A A it to
A A > pass.
A A >
A A > On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
A A > <[6]detomaso-[88][97]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf of
A A > [7][89][98]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >
A A >> Hi all
A A >>
A A >> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
A A failed
A A due
A A >> to two points:
A A >>
A A >> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
A A weeks
A A >> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to be
A A able
A A >> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
A A >>
A A >> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high. The
A A limit
A A >> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
A A engine
A A >> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
A A nothing
A A >> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A >>
A A >> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
A A test?
A A >> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
A A remember
A A >> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N. I
A A seem
A A to
A A >> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest at
A A idle?
A A >> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
A A test.
A A >> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
A A happy to
A A >> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
A A I've
A A >> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
A A forum
A A >> J
A A >>
A A >> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
A A engine?
A A >> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
A A >>
A A >>
A A >> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
A A >> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
A A >> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
A A relevant
A A >> here.
A A >>
A A >>
A A >> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
A A Thanks
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A A Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
A A From: Will Kooiman <[117][126]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
A A To: Charles McCall <[118][127]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: Detomaso Email List <[119][128]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
A A Message-ID: <9C7A3F8F-21AE-48B4-BB53-[120][129]
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A A Good catch on the air filter.
A A Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle
screws.
A A This increases NOx, but reduces CO.
A A That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter.
It's too
A A rich.
A A Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's
where you
A A get the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A > On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall
A A <[121][130]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >
A A > Hi all
A A >
A A >
A A > I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's
just say
A A > that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this
filter is
A A > more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I
remember
A A > rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the
condition
A A of
A A > the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had
never
A A > followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families
will have
A A to
A A > find new homes I think!
A A >
A A >
A A > I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter
removed. No,
A A I
A A > wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to
protect the
A A > carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
A A > breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
A A > The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking
forever
A A to
A A > warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt,
well, cold
A A > and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
A A stumbles...
A A > I could feel a difference.
A A >
A A >
A A > No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
A A > Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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A A Message: 5
A A Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
A A From: Richard Greenblum <[124][133]Richard@
richardgreenblum.com>
A A To: "<[125][134]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[126][135]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
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A A I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time
ago I
A A bought
A A into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
Never
A A noticed any difference in performance or milage with either
car. When
A A my
A A K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
and
A A re-oiling,
A A I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA
car
A A crew
A A chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better
off with
A A a
A A quality paper filter.
A A Richard
A A Austin, TX
A A From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[128][137]bounces at server.
detomasolist.com> on
A A behalf of Mike
A A Reilly <[129][138]reillyms at live.com>
A A Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
A A To: marshallgsmith <[130][139]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
A A <[131][140]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[132][141]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[133][142]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[134][143]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
A A replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep it
A A simple!
A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A From: [1]marshallgsmith
A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
A A Cc: [4]<[135][144]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts air
A A flow slightly.
A A M
A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A -------- Original message --------
A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[136][145]detomaso at server.
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A A Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
A A To: Charles McCall <[137][146]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[138][147]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[139][148]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A Charlie,
A A You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter.
But you
A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing the
A A test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There
are how-to
A A videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
A A with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle
shop.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[140][149]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A > Thank you to all who answered.
A A >
A A > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The
car was
A A literally
A A > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
A A temperatures, so
A A > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting, it
A A would be
A A > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay, but
A A I can
A A > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
A A lines tend
A A > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A >
A A > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
A A therefore we
A A > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the
rpm a
A A little for
A A > the test.
A A >
A A > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with the
A A timing
A A > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
A A that
A A > the current settings can work.
A A >
A A > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
A A > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in
the dust,
A A driven
A A > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
A A Tomorrow it's
A A > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the
air
A A cleaner
A A > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
A A make
A A > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A >
A A > Thanks again!
A A >
A A > -----Original Message-----
A A > From: DeTomaso
A A [[5][141]mailto:[150]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
A A On Behalf
A A > Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A > To: [142][151]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my car
A A > does....)
A A >
A A > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take
A A it
A A > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
A A emissions
A A > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
A A > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
A A >
A A > Asa
A A >
A A > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A > & Shelley Marie
A A > Spokane, WA
A A > ******************************
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A A >
A A >
A A > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A >>
A A >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the carb
A A -
A A >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A gasoline.
A A >>
A A >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
A A needs a
A A >> good cleaning.
A A >>
A A >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
A A back
A A >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere
and tune
A A it to
A A >> pass.
A A >>
A A >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
A A >> <detomaso-[145][154]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf of
A A >> [146][155]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >>
A A >>> Hi all
A A >>>
A A >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and
A A failed
A A > due
A A >>> to two points:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
A A weeks
A A >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to be
A A able
A A >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high. The
A A > limit
A A >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
A A engine
A A >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
A A nothing
A A >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
A A test?
A A >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
A A remember
A A >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N. I
A A seem
A A > to
A A >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest at
A A idle?
A A >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass the
A A test.
A A >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
A A happy to
A A >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
A A I've
A A >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
A A > forum
A A >>> J
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
A A engine?
A A >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
A A >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
A A >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
A A relevant
A A >>> here.
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
A A Thanks
A A >>> all!
A A >>> _______________________________________________
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A A I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time
ago I
A A bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
A A Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with
either car.
A A When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
A A and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and
used to be
A A an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with
it,
A A you're better off with a quality paper filter.
A A Richard
A A Austin, TX
A A From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-[173][182]bounces@
server.detomasolist.com> on
A A behalf
A A of Mike Reilly <[2][174][183]reillyms at live.com>
A A Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
A A To: marshallgsmith <[3][175][184]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
A A <[4][176][185]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
A A <[5][177][186]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[6][178][187]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[7][179][188]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
A A just
A A replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep
A A it
A A simple!
A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A From: [1]marshallgsmith
A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
A A Cc: [4]<[8][180][189]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my
A A car
A A does....)
A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts
A A air
A A flow slightly.
A A M
A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A -------- Original message --------
A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9][181][190]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com>
A A Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
A A To: Charles McCall <[10][182][191]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[11][183][192]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[12][184][193]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my
A A car
A A does....)
A A Charlie,
A A You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter.
But you
A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing
A A the
A A test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There
are
A A how-to
A A videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
A A re-oil
A A with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle
shop.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
A A <[13][185][194]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A > Thank you to all who answered.
A A >
A A > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The
car was
A A literally
A A > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
A A temperatures, so
A A > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting,
A A it
A A would be
A A > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay,
A A but
A A I can
A A > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
A A lines tend
A A > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A >
A A > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
A A therefore we
A A > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the
rpm a
A A little for
A A > the test.
A A >
A A > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with
A A the
A A timing
A A > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
A A believe
A A that
A A > the current settings can work.
A A >
A A > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
A A really
A A > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in
the
A A dust,
A A driven
A A > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
A A Tomorrow it's
A A > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the
air
A A cleaner
A A > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough
A A to
A A make
A A > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A >
A A > Thanks again!
A A >
A A > -----Original Message-----
A A > From: DeTomaso
A A [[5][14][186]mailto:[195]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.
com]
A A On Behalf
A A > Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A > To: [15][187][196]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my
A A car
A A > does....)
A A >
A A > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
A A overheating). Take
A A it
A A > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
A A emissions
A A > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
A A get
A A > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
A A while.
A A >
A A > Asa
A A >
A A > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A > & Shelley Marie
A A > Spokane, WA
A A > ******************************
A A > [6][16][188][197]http://w7tsc.org
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A A >
A A >
A A > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A >>
A A >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the
A A carb
A A -
A A >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A gasoline.
A A >>
A A >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
A A needs a
A A >> good cleaning.
A A >>
A A >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking
A A it
A A back
A A >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere
and
A A tune
A A it to
A A >> pass.
A A >>
A A >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
A A >> <[18]detomaso-[190][199]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf of
A A >> [19][191][200]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >>
A A >>> Hi all
A A >>>
A A >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and
A A failed
A A > due
A A >>> to two points:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
A A few
A A weeks
A A >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to
A A be
A A able
A A >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high.
A A The
A A > limit
A A >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
A A engine
A A >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
A A nothing
A A >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
A A test?
A A >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
A A remember
A A >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N.
A A I
A A seem
A A > to
A A >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest
A A at
A A idle?
A A >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass
A A the
A A test.
A A >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
A A happy to
A A >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
A A I've
A A >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
A A public
A A > forum
A A >>> J
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
A A engine?
A A >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
A A chamber
A A >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
A A massaged
A A >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
A A relevant
A A >>> here.
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
A A Thanks
A A >>> all!
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A 89. mailto:[363]charlesmccall at gmail.com
A 90. mailto:[364]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A 91. [365]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
A 92. mailto:[366]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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A 95. mailto:[369]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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A 97. mailto:[371]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A 98. [372]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
A 99. mailto:[373]charlesmccall at gmail.com?
A 100. mailto:[374]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
A 101. mailto:[375]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
A 102. [376]http://w7tsc.org/
A 103. [377]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
A 104.
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A 105. mailto:[379]charlesmccall at gmail.com?
A 106. mailto:[380]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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A 111. mailto:[385]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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A 113. mailto:[387]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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A 115. mailto:[389]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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A 117. mailto:[391]will.kooiman at gmail.com
A 118. mailto:[392]charlesmccall at gmail.com
A 119. mailto:[393]detomaso at detomasolist.com
A 120. mailto:[394]9A5B268B1A02 at gmail.com
A 121. mailto:[395]charlesmccall at gmail.com
A 122. mailto:[396]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A 123. [397]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
A 124. mailto:[398]Richard at richardgreenblum.com
A 125. mailto:[399]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A 126. mailto:[400]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A 127. mailto:[401]Richard at richardgreenblum.com
A 128. mailto:[402]bounces at server.detomasolist.com
A 129. mailto:[403]reillyms at live.com
A 130. mailto:[404]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
A 131. mailto:[405]MikeLDrew at aol.com
A 132. mailto:[406]charlesmccall at gmail.com
A 133. mailto:[407]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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A 137. mailto:[411]charlesmccall at gmail.com
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A 140. mailto:[414]charlesmccall at gmail.com
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A 146. mailto:[420]charlesmccall at gmail.com
A 147. mailto:[421]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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A 158. mailto:[432]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
A 159. mailto:[433]MikeLDrew at aol.com?
A 160. mailto:[434]charlesmccall at gmail.com?
A 161. mailto:[435]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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A 175. mailto:[449]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
A 176. mailto:[450]MikeLDrew at aol.com
A 177. mailto:[451]charlesmccall at gmail.com
A 178. mailto:[452]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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A 182. mailto:[456]charlesmccall at gmail.com
A 183. mailto:[457]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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A 188. [462]http://w7tsc.org/
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A 203. mailto:[477]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
A 204. mailto:[478]MikeLDrew at aol.com?
A 205. mailto:[479]charlesmccall at gmail.com?
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A 216. mailto:[490]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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A 218. mailto:[492]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
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A 220. mailto:[494]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
A 221. mailto:[495]MikeLDrew at aol.com?
A 222. mailto:[496]charlesmccall at gmail.com?
A 223. mailto:[497]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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A 246. [520]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
A 247. mailto:[521]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
A 248. mailto:[522]MikeLDrew at aol.com?
A 249. mailto:[523]charlesmccall at gmail.com?
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A 263. [537]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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10. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
11. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
12. http://gmail.com/
13. mailto:reillyms at live.com
14. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
15. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
16. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
17. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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19. http://outlook.com/
20. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
21. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
22. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
23. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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25. http://asolist.com/
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33. http://w7tsc.org/
34. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
35. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
36. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
37. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
38. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
39. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
40. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
41. http://www.avg.com/
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44. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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49. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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51. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
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53. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
54. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
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58. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
59. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
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68. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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70. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
71. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
72. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
73. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
74. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
75. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
76. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
77. http://w7tsc.org/
78. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
79. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
80. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
81. http://www.avg.com/
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85. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
86. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
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90. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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96. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
97. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
98. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
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100. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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103. http://www.avg.com/
104. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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108. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
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111. http://w7tsc.org/
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126. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
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129. mailto:9A5B268B1A02 at gmail.com
130. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
131. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
132. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
133. mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
134. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
135. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
136. mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
137. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
138. mailto:reillyms at live.com
139. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
140. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
141. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
142. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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157. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
158. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
159. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
160. http://www.avg.com/
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167. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
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