[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
Larry Stock
larrys at panteraparts.com
Mon Nov 14 16:09:55 EST 2016
Then you should be in good shape, just back down the timing to 6 BTC , the
idle screws are probably fine where they are and you should pass with flying
colors unless you have ignition issues. Ignition issues and carb issues are
often cross dianosed. If we have similar issues I put on one of our carbs
and if the issues remain I then dianose the ignition system.
Larry
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, November 14, 2016 12:49 PM
To: Larry Stock <Larrys at PanteraParts.com>
Cc: Jack Deryke <jderyke at aol.com>, detomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
Larry - it *IS* your carb!
:-) (True story)
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
wrote:
> Run it at 6 degrees advance and turn down the idle screws quarter to half
> turn in to lean. If that doesn't doit, Run my carburetor.
> Larry
>
> On 11/14/16 11:39 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes emissions
> to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding
> a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine
> to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately
> warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not
> too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie-
> J Deryke
>
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> Today's Topics:
> 1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
> 2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
> (Mike Reilly)
> 3. Re: Engine hlp needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
> (Pantdino)
> 4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
> 5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
> (Richard Greenblum)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
> From: Charles McCall <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
> Message-ID: <000601d23dd4$096571d0$1c305570$@gmail.com <http://gmail.com> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Hi all
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> that I
> have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more than
> 15
> years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it once
> with a
> garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more or
> less
> what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
> instructions.
> Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> carb
> (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> breathe
> before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The last
> few
> times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
> even
> after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
> rough.
> Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
> difference.
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will,
> not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
> -------------- next part --------------
> Hi all
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
> find new homes I think!
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
> ------------------------------
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
> From: Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms at live.com>
> To: marshallgsmith <[8]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike Drew
> <[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Message-ID:
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> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
> replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: marshallgsmith<[14]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
> McCall<[16]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc:
> <[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><[18]mailto:detomaso at server.detom
> asolist.com <http://asolist.com> >
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <[20]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[21]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[23]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> > Thank you to all who answered.
>> >
>> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
>> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
>> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
>> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
> I can
>> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
>> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>> >
>> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
>> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
>> > the test.
>> >
>> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
>> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
>> > the current settings can work.
>> >
>> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
>> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
>> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
>> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
>> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
>> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
>> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>> >
>> > Thanks again!
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: DeTomaso [[24]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
>> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
>> > Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
>> > To: [25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
>> > does....)
>> >
>> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
>> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have th
> emissions
>> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
>> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>> >
>> > Asa
>> >
>> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> > & Shelley Marie
>> > Spokane, WA
>> > ******************************
>> > [26]http://w7tsc.org
>> > [27]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>>> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>> >>
>>> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
>>> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
>>> >>
>>> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
>>> >> good cleaning.
>>> >>
>>> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
>>> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
>>> >> pass.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>>> >> <detomaso-[28]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>>> >> [29]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>>> >>> Hi all
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and failed
>> > due
>>>> >>> to two points:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
>>>> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
>>>> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
>> > limit
>>>> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
>>>> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and nothing
>>>> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the test?
>>>> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
>>>> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
>> > to
>>>> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
>>>> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
>>>> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be happy
> to
>>>> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which I've
>>>> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
>> > forum
>>>> >>> J
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
>>>> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>>> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>>> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
>>>> >>> here.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing. Thanks
>>>> >>> all!
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> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]<[41]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> ------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[42]detomaso at server.detoasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall<[43]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[44]detomaso at server.detomasolst.com>"
> <[45]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[46]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> > Thank you to all who answered.
>> >
>> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
>> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
>> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
>> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
> I can
>> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
>> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>> >
>> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
>> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
>> > the test.
>> >
>> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
>> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
>> > the current settings can work.
>> >
>> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
>> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
>> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
>> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
>> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
>> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
>> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>> >
>> > Thanks again!
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][47]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
>> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
>> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
>> > To: [48]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
>> > does....)
>> >
>> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
> it
>> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
>> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
>> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>> >
>> > Asa
>> >
>> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> > & Shelley Marie
>> > Spokane, WA
>> > ******************************
>> > [6][49]http://w7tsc.org
>> > [7][50]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>>> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>> >>
>>> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
>>> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
>>> >>
>>> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
>>> >> good cleaning.
>>> >>
>>> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
>>> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
>>> >> pass.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>>> >> <detomaso-[51]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>>> >> [52]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>>> >>> Hi all
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
>> > due
>>>> >>> to two points:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
>>>> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
>>>> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
>> > limit
>>>> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
>>>> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
>>>> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
>>>> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
>>>> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells mesomething. It's a K&N. I
> seem
>> > to
>>>> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher pms and are highest at
> idle?
>>>> >>> If this is the case then I'll rise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
>>>> >>> Any other tricksto temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
>>>> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
>>>> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
>> > forum
>>>> >>> J
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
>>>> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>>> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>>> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
>>>> >>> here.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
>>>> >>> all!
>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
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> From: Pantdino <[77]pantdino at aol.com>
> To: [78]charlesmccall at gmail.com
> Cc: [79]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
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> I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around he
> block in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall
> <[80]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I have a
> problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to the
> testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get in
> line and wait.
> Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15 minutes,
> and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was horrible. I
> knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine running.
> It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut off
> would mean a fairly cold block.
> I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine but
> without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but carbon)
> The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the heck out
> of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs out?
> From: Asa Jay Laughton [[81]mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
> To: Charles McCall
> Cc: [82]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> No Charlie, you misunderstand...
> An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It will
> be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how "warmed
> up it is."
> You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it. It
> needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,..... Blow
> out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle for
> any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT spend
> time idling in line, it will kill your test.
> Asa
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> Charles McCall <[1][83]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I
> can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines
> tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore
> we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little
> for
> the test.
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
> the current settings can work.
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow
> it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> Thanks again!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[2][84]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [3][85]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
> Asa
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [4][86]http://w7tsc.org
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> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> > You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>> >
>> > My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
>> > which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
>> >
>> > If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
>> > good cleaning.
>> >
>> > The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
>> > for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
>> > pass.
>> >
>> > On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> > <[6]detomaso-[88]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> > [7][89]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>>> >> Hi all
>>> >>
>>> >> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> due
>>> >> to two points:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
>>> >> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
>>> >> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>> >>
>>> >> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> >> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
>>> >> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
>>> >> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
>>> >> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
>>> >> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
> to
>>> >> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
>>> >> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
>>> >> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
>>> >> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
>>> >> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> >> J
>>> >>
>>> >> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
>>> >> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> >> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> >> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
>>> >> here.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
>>> >> all!
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> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
> From: Will Kooiman <[117]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Charles McCall <[118]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: Detomaso Email List <[119]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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> Good catch on the air filter.
> Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle screws.
> This increases NOx, but reduces CO.
> That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter. It's too
> rich.
> Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's where you
> get the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
> Sent from my iPhone
>> > On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall
> <[121]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all
>> >
>> >
>> > I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
>> > that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
>> > more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
>> > rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition
> of
>> > the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
>> > followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have
> to
>> > find new homes I think!
>> >
>> >
>> > I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No,
> I
>> > wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
>> > carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
>> > breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
>> > The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever
> to
>> > warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
>> > and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
> stumbles...
>> > I could feel a difference.
>> >
>> >
>> > No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
>> > Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
> From: Richard Greenblum <[124]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
> To: "<[125]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[126]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
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> I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
> bought
> into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera. Never
> noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car. When
> my
> K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and
> re-oiling,
> I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA car
> crew
> chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better off with
> a
> quality paper filter.
> Richard
> Austin, TX
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[128]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of Mike
> Reilly <[129]reillyms at live.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
> To: marshallgsmith <[130]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
> <[131]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[132]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[133]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[134]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]<[135]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[136]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <[137]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[138]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[139]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[140]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> > Thank you to all who answered.
>> >
>> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
>> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
>> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
>> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
> I can
>> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
>> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>> >
>> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
>> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
>> > the test.
>> >
>> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
>> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
>> > the current settings can work.
>> >
>> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
>> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
>> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
>> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
>> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
>> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
>> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>> >
>> > Thanks again!
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][141]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
>> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
>> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
>> > To: [142]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
>> > does....)
>> >
>> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
> it
>> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
>> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
>> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>> >
>> > Asa
>> >
>> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> > & Shelley Marie
>> > Spokane, WA
>> > ******************************
>> > [6][143]http://w7tsc.org
>> > [7][144]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>>> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>> >>
>>> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
>>> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
>>> >>
>>> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
>>> >> good cleaning.
>>> >>
>>> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
>>> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
>>> >> pass.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>>> >> <detomaso-[145]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>>> >> [146]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>>> >>> Hi all
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
>> > due
>>>> >>> to two points:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
>>>> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
>>>> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
>> > limit
>>>> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
>>>> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
>>>> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
>>>> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
>>>> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
>> > to
>>>> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
>>>> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
>>>> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
>>>> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
>>>> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
>> > forum
>>>> >>> J
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
>>>> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>>> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>>> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
>>>> >>> here.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
>>>> >>> all!
>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
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> I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
> bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
> Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
> When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
> and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
> an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
> you're better off with a quality paper filter.
> Richard
> Austin, TX
> From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-[173]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf
> of Mike Reilly <[2][174]reillyms at live.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
> To: marshallgsmith <[3][175]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
> <[4][176]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
> <[5][177]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[6][178]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[7][179]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
> just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
> it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]<[8][180]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
> air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9][181]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <[10][182]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[11][183]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[12][184]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
> the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
> how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
> re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
> <[13][185]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> > Thank you to all who answered.
>> >
>> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
>> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
>> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
> it
> would be
>> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
> but
> I can
>> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
>> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>> >
>> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
>> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
>> > the test.
>> >
>> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
> the
> timing
>> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
> believe
> that
>> > the current settings can work.
>> >
>> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
> really
>> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
> dust,
> driven
>> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
>> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
>> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
> to
> make
>> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
>> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>> >
>> > Thanks again!
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][14][186]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
>> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
>> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
>> > To: [15][187]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
>> > does....)
>> >
>> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
> overheating). Take
> it
>> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
>> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
> get
>> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
> while.
>> >
>> > Asa
>> >
>> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> > & Shelley Marie
>> > Spokane, WA
>> > ******************************
>> > [6][16][188]http://w7tsc.org
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>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>>> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>> >>
>>> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
> carb
> -
>>> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
>>> >>
>>> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
>>> >> good cleaning.
>>> >>
>>> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
> it
> back
>>> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
> tune
> it to
>>> >> pass.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>>> >> <[18]detomaso-[190]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>>> >> [19][191]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>>> >>> Hi all
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
>> > due
>>>> >>> to two points:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
> few
> weeks
>>>> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
> be
> able
>>>> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
> The
>> > limit
>>>> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
>>>> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
>>>> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
>>>> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
>>>> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
> I
> seem
>> > to
>>>> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
> at
> idle?
>>>> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
> the
> test.
>>>> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
>>>> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
>>>> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
> public
>> > forum
>>>> >>> J
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
>>>> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
> chamber
>>>> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
> massaged
>>>> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
>>>> >>> here.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
>>>> >>> all!
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Then you should be in good shape, just back down the timing to 6 BTC ,
the idle screws are probably fine where they are and you should pass
with flying colors unless you have ignition issues. Ignition issues and
carb issues are often cross dianosed. If we have similar issues I put
on one of our carbs and if the issues remain I then dianose the
ignition system.
Larry
From: Charles McCall <[1]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, November 14, 2016 12:49 PM
To: Larry Stock <[2]Larrys at PanteraParts.com>
Cc: Jack Deryke <[3]jderyke at aol.com>, detomaso
<[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
Larry - it *IS* your carb!
:-) (True story)
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Larry Stock
<[5]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
Run it at 6 degrees advance and turn down the idle screws quarter to
half
turn in to lean. If that doesn't doit, Run my carburetor.
Larry
On 11/14/16 11:39 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via
DeTomaso"
<[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes
emissions
to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before
adding
a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the
engine
to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a
moderately
warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees
(not
too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck,
Charlie-
J Deryke
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Daily Detomaso List Digest
Today's Topics:
1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Mike Reilly)
3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Pantdino)
4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Richard Greenblum)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[5][14]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6][15]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than
15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it
once
with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was
more or
less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect
the
carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The
last
few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm
up -
even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a
little
rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter
is
more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I
remember
rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the
condition of
the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had
never
followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will
have to
find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect
the
carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking
forever to
warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well,
cold
and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <[7][17]reillyms at live.com>
To: marshallgsmith <[8][18]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike
Drew
<[9][19]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[10][20]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[11][21]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[12][22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: marshallgsmith<[14]mailto:[24]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:[25]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
McCall<[16]mailto:[26]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc:
<[17][27]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><[18]mailto:[28]d
etomaso at server.detom
[29]asolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts air
flow slightly.
M
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[19][30]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[20][31]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[21][32]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[22][33]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But
you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[23][34]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car
was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm
a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[24]mailto:[35]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [25][36]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[28][39]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [29][40]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy
to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[41][53]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts air
flow slightly.
M
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From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[42][54]detomaso at server.
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall<[43][55]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[44][56]detomaso at server.detomasolst.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But
you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[46][58]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car
was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm
a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][47]mailto:[59]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [48][60]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][49][61]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][50][62]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[51][63]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [52][64]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
From: Pantdino <[77][89]pantdino at aol.com>
To: [78][90]charlesmccall at gmail.com
Cc: [79][91]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
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I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around
he
block in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
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On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall
<[80][93]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I
have a
problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to
the
testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get
in
line and wait.
Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15
minutes,
and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was
horrible. I
knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine
running.
It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut
off
would mean a fairly cold block.
I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine
but
without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but
carbon)
The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the
heck out
of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs
out?
From: Asa Jay Laughton [[81]mailto:[94]asajay at asajay.com]
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
To: Charles McCall
Cc: [82][95]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
No Charlie, you misunderstand...
An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It
will
be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how
"warmed
up it is."
You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it.
It
needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,.....
Blow
out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle
for
any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT
spend
time idling in line, it will kill your test.
Asa
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Charles McCall <[1][83][96]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you to all who answered.
I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car
was
literally
idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but I
can
let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines
tend
to be pretty long where I go anyway...
I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore
we
should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little
for
the test.
I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
- neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
the current settings can work.
I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow
it's
supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
make
me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
Thanks again!
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[2][84]mailto:[97]detomaso-
bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
To: [3][85][98]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take it
for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
Asa
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
[4][86][99]http://w7tsc.org
[5][87][100]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>
> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
gasoline.
>
> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
needs a
> good cleaning.
>
> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
back
> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
> pass.
>
> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> <[6]detomaso-[88][101]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
> [7][89][102]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
due
>> to two points:
>>
>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>
>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
limit
>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>
>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
to
>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
forum
>> J
>>
>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>
>>
>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>> here.
>>
>>
>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>> all!
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
From: Will Kooiman <[117][130]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: Charles McCall <[118][131]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[119][132]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Good catch on the air filter.
Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle
screws.
This increases NOx, but reduces CO.
That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter. It's
too
rich.
Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's
where you
get the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall
<[121][134]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's
just say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this
filter is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I
remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the
condition
of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had
never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will
have
to
> find new homes I think!
>
>
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter
removed. No,
I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to
protect the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking
forever
to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt,
well, cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
>
>
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
From: Richard Greenblum <[124][137]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
To: "<[125][138]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[126][139]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago
I
bought
into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
Never
noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
When
my
K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and
re-oiling,
I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA
car
crew
chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better
off with
a
quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[128][141]bounces at server.
detomasolist.com> on
behalf of Mike
Reilly <[129][142]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <[130][143]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
<[131][144]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[132][145]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[133][146]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[134][147]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[135][148]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts air
flow slightly.
M
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-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[136][149]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[137][150]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[138][151]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[139][152]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But
you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[140][153]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car
was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm
a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][141]mailto:[154]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [142][155]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][143][156]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][144][157]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[145][158]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
>> [146][159]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago
I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either
car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used
to be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-[173][186]bounces@
server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Mike Reilly <[2][174][187]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <[3][175][188]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
<[4][176][189]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[5][177][190]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[6][178][191]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[7][179][192]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[8][180][193]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9][181][194]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[10][182][195]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[11][183][196]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[12][184][197]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But
you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[13][185][198]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car
was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm
a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][14][186]mailto:[199]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.
com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [15][187][200]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][16][188][201]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][17][189][202]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[18]detomaso-[190][203]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf of
>> [19][191][204]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
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2. [31][204]mailto:[217]MikeLDrew at aol.com
3. [32][205]mailto:[218]charlesmccall at gmail.com
4. [33][206]mailto:[219]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
5. [34][207]mailto:[220]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
6. [35][208][221]http://w7tsc.org/
7. [36][209][222]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
8. [37][210][223]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
9. [38][211][224]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
10. [39][212][225]http://www.avg.com/
11. [40][213][226]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
12. [41][214][227]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
13. [42][215][228]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
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2. [219]mailto:[232]reillyms at live.com
3. [220]mailto:[233]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
4. [221]mailto:[234]MikeLDrew at aol.com
5. [222]mailto:[235]charlesmccall at gmail.com
6. [223]mailto:[236]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
7. [224]mailto:[237]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
8. [225]mailto:[238]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
9. [226]mailto:[239]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
10. [227]mailto:[240]charlesmccall at gmail.com
11. [228]mailto:[241]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
12. [229]mailto:[242]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
13. [230]mailto:[243]charlesmccall at gmail.com
14. [231]mailto:[244]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
15. [232]mailto:[245]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
16. [233][246]http://w7tsc.org/
17. [234][247]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
18. [235]mailto:[248]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
19. [236]mailto:[249]charlesmccall at gmail.com
20. [237]mailto:[250]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
21. [238][251]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
22. [239]mailto:[252]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
23. [240][253]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
24. [241]mailto:[254]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
25. [242][255]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
26. [243]mailto:[256]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
27. [244][257]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
28. [245]mailto:[258]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
29. [246][259]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
30. [247]mailto:[260]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
31. [248]mailto:[261]MikeLDrew at aol.com
32. [249]mailto:[262]charlesmccall at gmail.com
33. [250]mailto:[263]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
34. [251]mailto:[264]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
35. [252][265]http://w7tsc.org/
36. [253][266]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
37. [254][267]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
38. [255][268]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
39. [256][269]http://www.avg.com/
40. [257][270]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
41. [258][271]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
42. [259][272]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
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43. [260]mailto:[273]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1. mailto:[277]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
2. [278]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
3. mailto:[279]request at server.detomasolist.com
4. mailto:[280]owner at server.detomasolist.com
5. mailto:[281]charlesmccall at gmail.com
6. mailto:[282]detomaso at detomasolist.com
7. mailto:[283]reillyms at live.com
8. mailto:[284]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
9. mailto:[285]MikeLDrew at aol.com
10. mailto:[286]charlesmccall at gmail.com
11. mailto:[287]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
12. mailto:[288]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
13.
mailto:[289]MWHPR13MB180819E0A07EB284DFA9BA93BABD0 at MWHPR13MB1808.
namprd13.prod.o
[290]utlook.com
14. mailto:[291]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
15. mailto:[292]MikeLDrew at aol.com?
16. mailto:[293]charlesmccall at gmail.com?
17. mailto:[294]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
18. mailto:[295]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
19. mailto:[296]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
20. mailto:[297]charlesmccall at gmail.com
21. mailto:[298]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
22. mailto:[299]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
23. mailto:[300]charlesmccall at gmail.com
24. mailto:[301]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
25. mailto:[302]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
26. [303]http://w7tsc.org/
27. [304]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
28. mailto:[305]bounces at server.detomasolist.com
29. mailto:[306]charlesmccall at gmail.com
30. mailto:[307]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
31. [308]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
32. mailto:[309]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
33. [310]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
34. [311]http://www.avg.com<[312]http://www.avg.com
35. mailto:[313]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
36. [314]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
37. mailto:[315]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
38. [316]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
39. mailto:[317]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
40. [318]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
41. mailto:[319]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
42. mailto:[320]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
43. mailto:[321]charlesmccall at gmail.com
44. mailto:[322]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
45. mailto:[323]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
46. mailto:[324]charlesmccall at gmail.com
47. mailto:[325]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
48. mailto:[326]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
49. [327]http://w7tsc.org/
50. [328]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
51. mailto:[329]bounces at server.detomasolist.com
52. mailto:[330]charlesmccall at gmail.com
53. mailto:[331]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
54. [332]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
55. mailto:[333]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
56. [334]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
57. [335]http://www.avg.com/
58. mailto:[336]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
59. [337]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
60. mailto:[338]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
61. [339]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
62. mailto:[340]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
63. [341]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
64. mailto:[342]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
65. mailto:[343]MikeLDrew at aol.com?
66. mailto:[344]charlesmccall at gmail.com?
67. mailto:[345]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
68. mailto:[346]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
69. [347]http://w7tsc.org/
70. [348]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
71. [349]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
72. [350]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
73. [351]http://www.avg.com/
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76. [354]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
77. mailto:[355]pantdino at aol.com
78. mailto:[356]charlesmccall at gmail.com
79. mailto:[357]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
80. mailto:[358]charlesmccall at gmail.com
81. mailto:[359]asajay at asajay.com?
82. mailto:[360]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
83. mailto:[361]charlesmccall at gmail.com
84. mailto:[362]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
85. mailto:[363]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
86. [364]http://w7tsc.org/
87. [365]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
88. mailto:[366]bounces at server.detomasolist.com
89. mailto:[367]charlesmccall at gmail.com
90. mailto:[368]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
91. [369]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
92. mailto:[370]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
93. [371]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
94. [372]http://www.avg.com/
95. mailto:[373]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
96. [374]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
97. mailto:[375]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
98. [376]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
99. mailto:[377]charlesmccall at gmail.com?
100. mailto:[378]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
101. mailto:[379]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
102. [380]http://w7tsc.org/
103. [381]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
104.
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105. mailto:[383]charlesmccall at gmail.com?
106. mailto:[384]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
107. [385]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
108. mailto:[386]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
109. [387]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
110. [388]http://www.avg.com/
111. mailto:[389]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
112. [390]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
113. mailto:[391]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
114. [392]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
115. mailto:[393]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
116. [394]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
117. mailto:[395]will.kooiman at gmail.com
118. mailto:[396]charlesmccall at gmail.com
119. mailto:[397]detomaso at detomasolist.com
120. mailto:[398]9A5B268B1A02 at gmail.com
121. mailto:[399]charlesmccall at gmail.com
122. mailto:[400]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
123. [401]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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125. mailto:[403]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
126. mailto:[404]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
127. mailto:[405]Richard at richardgreenblum.com
128. mailto:[406]bounces at server.detomasolist.com
129. mailto:[407]reillyms at live.com
130. mailto:[408]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
131. mailto:[409]MikeLDrew at aol.com
132. mailto:[410]charlesmccall at gmail.com
133. mailto:[411]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
134. mailto:[412]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
135. mailto:[413]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
136. mailto:[414]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
137. mailto:[415]charlesmccall at gmail.com
138. mailto:[416]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
139. mailto:[417]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
140. mailto:[418]charlesmccall at gmail.com
141. mailto:[419]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
142. mailto:[420]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
143. [421]http://w7tsc.org/
144. [422]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
145. mailto:[423]bounces at server.detomasolist.com
146. mailto:[424]charlesmccall at gmail.com
147. mailto:[425]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
148. [426]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
149. mailto:[427]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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152. mailto:[430]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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156. mailto:[434]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
157. [435]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
158. mailto:[436]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
159. mailto:[437]MikeLDrew at aol.com?
160. mailto:[438]charlesmccall at gmail.com?
161. mailto:[439]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
162. mailto:[440]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
163. [441]http://w7tsc.org/
164. [442]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
165. [443]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
166. [444]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
167. [445]http://www.avg.com/
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171. mailto:[449]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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173. mailto:[451]bounces at server.detomasolist.com
174. mailto:[452]reillyms at live.com
175. mailto:[453]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
176. mailto:[454]MikeLDrew at aol.com
177. mailto:[455]charlesmccall at gmail.com
178. mailto:[456]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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180. mailto:[458]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
181. mailto:[459]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
182. mailto:[460]charlesmccall at gmail.com
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184. mailto:[462]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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187. mailto:[465]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
188. [466]http://w7tsc.org/
189. [467]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
190. mailto:[468]bounces at server.detomasolist.com
191. mailto:[469]charlesmccall at gmail.com
192. mailto:[470]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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194. mailto:[472]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
195. [473]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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197. mailto:[475]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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199. mailto:[477]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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201. mailto:[479]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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203. mailto:[481]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
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207. mailto:[485]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
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211. [489]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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216. mailto:[494]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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218. mailto:[496]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
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220. mailto:[498]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
221. mailto:[499]MikeLDrew at aol.com?
222. mailto:[500]charlesmccall at gmail.com?
223. mailto:[501]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
224. mailto:[502]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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226. mailto:[504]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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233. [511]http://w7tsc.org/
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235. mailto:[513]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
236. mailto:[514]charlesmccall at gmail.com?
237. mailto:[515]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
238. [516]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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