[DeTomaso] State of POCA address
James coyne
tecnosound at hotmail.com
Sun May 22 18:35:46 EDT 2016
Asa Jay , Are you aware that that on 5/18/16 Micheal Shortt , in
response to a comment about the Detomaso Mailing list archives on the
new POCA webste , stated that he was working on having them "purged" so
that we (he) doesnt " look like a bunch of grumpy old men " ? Are you
aware also that currently the archives have indeed been purged of any
posts deemed by Micheal Shortt to make himself look bad including his
racist comments about African Americans ?
> Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 13:49:39 -0700
> From: asajay at asajay.com
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
>
> Something that might be dug up in the archives...
> When a certain someone was granted access to the old POCA server as a
> newly board appointed administrator, one of the first things they tried
> to do was remove disparaging posts from the email forum that they had
> made regarding a Pantera Vendor. And I mean these were nasty posts.
> That person had since reconciled the issue and now wanted to remove the
> posts. They eventually contacted me and I essentially told them "once
> on the internet... always on the internet." And in reality, it's
> extremely difficult to remove a post from Mailman, especially when it's
> more than just a day or so old.
> I seem to recall another certain someone who also works with the
> aforementioned someone, who also asked for specific posts to be removed
> from the archives sometime prior to last year's POCA election. I might
> have that slightly wrong so don't hold me to it. I'd have to go back
> through my persona emails which now number just over 16,000. Yes, for
> those who have been counting (not that anybody has) that's down from
> nearly 20,000 a couple years ago. ;)
> I myself have made some not so flattering remarks in the past, and I'm
> sure you can find them in the archives. And you can also find where
> I've made amends when it was pointed out or I came to my senses on my
> own.
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [1]http://w7tsc.org
> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> On 5/22/2016 10:31 AM, Kurt Byrnes wrote:
>
> Excellent point Sean. Please keep things in prospective and remember
> many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you
> write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the
> world to see and google.
> I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the club.
> There are many valid changes they're trying to institute. You or I may
> agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't write
> something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about
> yourself. It's just a car club.
> Kurt
> On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote:
>
> Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A A I learned 30 years
> ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold
> my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A A I adore this
> list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to
> watch.A Be sure not to be exclusive.A That is the real strength of
> this community.
> sean
>
> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift
> [1][3]<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a
> favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a
> mandate to continue ;-)
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso [2][4]<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of Mike Thomas [3][5]<[3]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM
> To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[[6]4]4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
>
> Odd, seems I was not either.A Michael?
> Mike Thomas
> Pres., Panteras Northwest
> Yellow a74 #6328
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[[[7]5]5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of Forest Goodhart
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM
> To: [[[8]6]6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
> OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to
> send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution list
> from POCA. Forest
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> 4. [16][18]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 6. [18][20]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 11. [44]mail[45]mailto:11]spkorb at spkorb.org
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> 14. [48]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 15. [49]mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> 16. [50]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 17. [51]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 18. [52]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 19. [53]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 20. [54]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 21. [55]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 22. [56]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 23. [57]mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> 24. [58]http://www.spkorb.org/
> 25. [59]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 6. mailto:4]4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 8. mailto:6]6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 15. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 16. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 17. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> 18. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 19. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 20. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 21. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 23. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 25. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> 26. http://www.spkorb.org/
> 27. mailto:25]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 28. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 29. mailto:1]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 30. mailto:2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 31. mailto:3]mbefthomas at comcast.net
> 32. mailto:4
> 33. mailto:mailto:4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 34. mailto:5
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> 37. mailto:mailto:6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 38. mailto:7
> 39. mailto:mailto:7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 41. mailto:9
> 42. mailto:mailto:9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 45. mailto:mailto:11]spkorb at spkorb.org
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> 47. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 48. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 49. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> 50. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 52. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 53. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 55. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 56. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 57. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> 58. http://www.spkorb.org/
> 59. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 60. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 61. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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Asa Jay , Are you aware that that on 5/18/16 Micheal Shortt , in
response to a comment about the Detomaso Mailing list archives on the
new POCA webste , stated that he was working on having them "purged" so
that we (he) doesnt " look like a bunch of grumpy old men " ? Are you
aware also that currently the archives have indeed been purged of any
posts deemed by Micheal Shortt to make himself look bad including his
racist comments about African Americans ?
> Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 13:49:39 -0700
> From: asajay at asajay.com
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
>
> Something that might be dug up in the archives...
> When a certain someone was granted access to the old POCA server as a
> newly board appointed administrator, one of the first things they
tried
> to do was remove disparaging posts from the email forum that they had
> made regarding a Pantera Vendor. And I mean these were nasty posts.
> That person had since reconciled the issue and now wanted to remove
the
> posts. They eventually contacted me and I essentially told them "once
> on the internet... always on the internet." And in reality, it's
> extremely difficult to remove a post from Mailman, especially when
it's
> more than just a day or so old.
> I seem to recall another certain someone who also works with the
> aforementioned someone, who also asked for specific posts to be
removed
> from the archives sometime prior to last year's POCA election. I
might
> have that slightly wrong so don't hold me to it. I'd have to go back
> through my persona emails which now number just over 16,000. Yes, for
> those who have been counting (not that anybody has) that's down from
> nearly 20,000 a couple years ago. ;)
> I myself have made some not so flattering remarks in the past, and
I'm
> sure you can find them in the archives. And you can also find where
> I've made amends when it was pointed out or I came to my senses on my
> own.
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [1]http://w7tsc.org
> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> On 5/22/2016 10:31 AM, Kurt Byrnes wrote:
>
> Excellent point Sean. Please keep things in prospective and remember
> many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you
> write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the
> world to see and google.
> I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the
club.
> There are many valid changes they're trying to institute. You or I
may
> agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't
write
> something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about
> yourself. It's just a car club.
> Kurt
> On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote:
>
> Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A A I learned 30 years
> ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold
> my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A A I adore this
> list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to
> watch.A Be sure not to be exclusive.A That is the real strength of
> this community.
> sean
>
> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift
> [1][3]<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a
> favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a
> mandate to continue ;-)
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso [2][4]<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of Mike Thomas [3][5]<[3]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM
> To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[[6]4]4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
>
> Odd, seems I was not either.A Michael?
> Mike Thomas
> Pres., Panteras Northwest
> Yellow a74 #6328
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[mailto:[[[7]5]5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of Forest Goodhart
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM
> To: [[[8]6]6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
> OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to
> send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution list
> from POCA. Forest
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> #1382
> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> "Computers are useless.A They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
>
> References
>
> 1. [13][15]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 2. [14][16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 3. [15][17]mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> 4. [16][18]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 5. [17][19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 6. [18][20]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 7. [19][21]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 8. [20][22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 9. [21][23]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 10. [22][24]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 11. [23][25]mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
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> 11. [44]mail[45]mailto:11]spkorb at spkorb.org
> 12. [46]http://www.spkorb.org/
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> 15. [49]mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
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> 18. [52]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 21. [55]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 23. [57]mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> 24. [58]http://www.spkorb.org/
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> 8. mailto:6]6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 9. mailto:7]7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 13. mailto:11]11]spkorb at spkorb.org
> 14. http://www.spkorb.org/
> 15. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 16. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 17. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> 18. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 19. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 20. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 21. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 23. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 25. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> 26. http://www.spkorb.org/
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