[DeTomaso] POCA email list
Himes, Terry (397C)
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Mon Mar 28 14:59:31 EDT 2016
Thanks Rob.
I don't think you can stop the flame emails really. But you can STOP from replying ALL and fanning
the flames. People want to provoke response and get attention, and everyone plays into it. Just ignore
it, and turn your back on it. If you must waste your time on it, then take it off-line.
Just my opinion, of course. ;-)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net<mailto:rob at dumoulins.net>>
Date: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:56 AM
To: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com<mailto:edducati at mac.com>>
Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>, "RREIDCPA at aol.com<mailto:RREIDCPA at aol.com>" <RREIDCPA at aol.com<mailto:RREIDCPA at aol.com>>, Jack Deryke <jackd610 at gmail.com<mailto:jackd610 at gmail.com>>, John Buckman <jb841 at cox.net<mailto:jb841 at cox.net>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA email list
Ed,
Thanks for being a champion of the greater good. Shame we have to do it
but I would guess quite a few of us simply block some people hoping silence
would make the other voices in my head quieter. That is not the answer and
it still fails to block replies to posts. I've been guilty of venting
frustration an suggesting a cease and desist of some blather that I may be
on the blocked list of some too. It seems best if there were some clear
guidelines and we simply self-govern. Moderating makes sense if rock solid
guidelines are in place, but it's email. You can't just cancel it once it
goes out like taking a post down off an online forum.
Emails and any other fast-written media can become possibly the worst type
of human interaction there is. Not only are some thoughts not formed
precisely as intended, but spell-checking word substitution and the
multitude of inflections applied to simple terse statements is near
infinite. I suggest everybody, except Larry from Ohio (we need his
non-full attention for our enjoyment), draft emails that may even hint of
controversy and wait an hour before sending. Reread, make sure no false
impressions can be garnered, and don't be afraid to delete it rather than
send it.
To all non-POCA owner out there, I ask you to help support Michael and grow
this club in an exciting new direction. Join for a year and then make the
call if you think being a member of this elite club that does not act like
an "elite" club is worth the dues. With the changes occurring, I feel the
value of the Marque and club membership will soon outpace the cost of the
dues.
Just my few cents.
Rob DuMoulin
904.476.8744
rob at dumoulins.net<mailto:rob at dumoulins.net>
www.kbsi.co
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com<mailto:edducati at mac.com>> wrote:
I heard from a fewPantera owner friends of mine today, they have been
thinking about joining POCA, but they are not sure because they are members
of the email forum and they say because of the infighting going on. They're
just not sure. They think Michael is doing a great job for the club, but
some of the people on the forum are being so childish and undermining on
the things that he is trying to do. This is just what they told me and I
wanted to pass it on. My opinion that the email forum does a lot of good
when people stay on message and it has to do with the DeTomaso for which it
was intended. But when people start nitpicking and bitching about the club;
that makes us all look bad and the email list becomes a poison for the
club. This email list goes out to over 1100 people. I think it's time that
it is moderated, either that or we take it away. As I understand the new
website will have a forum for members only, so the problem just may fix
itself. Again this is just a message that I am relaying.
Ed
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
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Thanks Rob.
I don't think you can stop the flame emails really. But you can STOP
from replying ALL and fanning
the flames. People want to provoke response and get attention, and
everyone plays into it. Just ignore
it, and turn your back on it. If you must waste your time on it, then
take it off-line.
Just my opinion, of course. ;-)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin
<[3]rob at dumoulins.net>
Date: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:56 AM
To: Ed Mendez <[4]edducati at mac.com>
Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <[5]detomaso at poca.com>,
"[6]RREIDCPA at aol.com" <[7]RREIDCPA at aol.com>, Jack Deryke
<[8]jackd610 at gmail.com>, John Buckman <[9]jb841 at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA email list
Ed,
Thanks for being a champion of the greater good. Shame we have to do
it
but I would guess quite a few of us simply block some people hoping
silence
would make the other voices in my head quieter. That is not the answer
and
it still fails to block replies to posts. I've been guilty of venting
frustration an suggesting a cease and desist of some blather that I may
be
on the blocked list of some too. It seems best if there were some
clear
guidelines and we simply self-govern. Moderating makes sense if rock
solid
guidelines are in place, but it's email. You can't just cancel it once
it
goes out like taking a post down off an online forum.
Emails and any other fast-written media can become possibly the worst
type
of human interaction there is. Not only are some thoughts not formed
precisely as intended, but spell-checking word substitution and the
multitude of inflections applied to simple terse statements is near
infinite. I suggest everybody, except Larry from Ohio (we need his
non-full attention for our enjoyment), draft emails that may even hint
of
controversy and wait an hour before sending. Reread, make sure no false
impressions can be garnered, and don't be afraid to delete it rather
than
send it.
To all non-POCA owner out there, I ask you to help support Michael and
grow
this club in an exciting new direction. Join for a year and then make
the
call if you think being a member of this elite club that does not act
like
an "elite" club is worth the dues. With the changes occurring, I feel
the
value of the Marque and club membership will soon outpace the cost of
the
dues.
Just my few cents.
Rob DuMoulin
904.476.8744
[10]rob at dumoulins.net
www.kbsi.co
[11]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Ed Mendez <[12]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
I heard from a fewPantera owner friends of mine today, they have been
thinking about joining POCA, but they are not sure because they are
members
of the email forum and they say because of the infighting going on.
They're
just not sure. They think Michael is doing a great job for the club,
but
some of the people on the forum are being so childish and undermining
on
the things that he is trying to do. This is just what they told me and
I
wanted to pass it on. My opinion that the email forum does a lot of
good
when people stay on message and it has to do with the DeTomaso for
which it
was intended. But when people start nitpicking and bitching about the
club;
that makes us all look bad and the email list becomes a poison for the
club. This email list goes out to over 1100 people. I think it's time
that
it is moderated, either that or we take it away. As I understand the
new
website will have a forum for members only, so the problem just may fix
itself. Again this is just a message that I am relaying.
Ed
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
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