[DeTomaso] Pantera Value just went up!
Michael Shortt
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Fri Mar 11 23:03:01 EST 2016
IMHO, it is important to judge a car using its proper year of introduction
and sales. By any measure, the Pantera was a Supercar in 1971. It was at
some point between 71-74 the fastest production that you could buy from a
dealer.
Certainly a 959 was a Supercar, yet a base 911 today will walk all over it.
Perspective is important, For 70 years old Raquel Welch is still hot, for
60 years old Christie Brinkley is super hot.
Michael Shortt
On Mar 11, 2016 10:46 PM, "Guido deTomaso" <guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>
wrote:
> Seems nobody took the bait, I'll give it a shot:
> Your examples are all front-engine musclecars. And I infer you don't
> believe the Countach or testarossa are supercars by your definition.
> Trouble I have with musclecars is they usually have millions of lesser
> cousins plying the roads that drive mostly the same but are only worth
> 1/10,000th what the Hemi version is worth. 2nd issue I see is, what do
> you do today with one? Outside of cruising main and hanging at the
> drive-thru, not seeing the million dollars worth of fun.
> The "potential for performance" trophy sounds too much like the modern
> "everyone gets a trophy". I could put it on my mantle next to the
> trophies for all the races deTomaso would have won if he'd put his mind
> to it.
> From the article, I don't consider the Esprit or the 308 to be
> supercars, I'd call them exotic sportscars; the Pantera I've always
> seen as "budget supercar", and yes if I had the scratch I'd have a
> Countach, BB, testarossa also.
> Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong.
> GD
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> From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> To: "GR2835 at comcast.net" <GR2835 at comcast.net>; "detomaso at poca.com"
> <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Value just went up!
> It's funny how the definition of Super Car has evolved. To me, a mid
> 60s 427 Vette, Hemi Cuda, or 427 Cobra was a super car. If you can't
> break the tires loose in 4th (in a 4 speed car) it's no super car.
> Of
> course tires etc, were very different then.
> I think a Pantera should come in first in a potential for performance
> category as the car having the greatest potential to provide extreme
> performance for the common man (who can't through a million bucks at
> a
> car and not care if it sticks).
> Ken
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Value just went up!
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> [1][1][4]http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/these-10-supercars-
> had
> -in
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IMHO, it is important to judge a car using its proper year of
introduction and sales. By any measure, the Pantera was a Supercar in
1971. It was at some point between 71-74 the fastest production that
you could buy from a dealer.
Certainly a 959 was a Supercar, yet a base 911 today will walk all over
it.
Perspective is important, For 70 years old Raquel Welch is still hot,
for 60 years old Christie Brinkley is super hot.
Michael Shortt
On Mar 11, 2016 10:46 PM, "Guido deTomaso"
<[1]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net> wrote:
A A Seems nobody took the bait, I'll give it a shot:
A A Your examples are all front-engine musclecars.A And I infer
you don't
A A believe the Countach or testarossa are supercars by your
definition.
A A Trouble I have with musclecars is they usually have millions of
lesser
A A cousins plying the roads that drive mostly the same but are
only worth
A A 1/10,000th what the Hemi version is worth.A 2nd issue I see
is, what do
A A you do today with one?A Outside of cruising main and hanging
at the
A A drive-thru, not seeing the million dollars worth of fun.
A A The "potential for performance" trophy sounds too much like the
modern
A A "everyone gets a trophy".A I could put it on my mantle next to
the
A A trophies for all the races deTomaso would have won if he'd put
his mind
A A to it.
A A From the article, I don't consider the Esprit or the 308 to be
A A supercars, I'd call them exotic sportscars; the Pantera I've
always
A A seen as "budget supercar", and yes if I had the scratch I'd
have a
A A Countach, BB, testarossa also.
A A Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong.
A A GD
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
A A To: "[3]GR2835 at comcast.net" <[4]GR2835 at comcast.net>;
"[5]detomaso at poca.com"
A A <[6]detomaso at poca.com>
A A Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 4:22 PM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Value just went up!
A A A It's funny how the definition of Super Car has evolved.A To
me, a mid
A A A 60s 427 Vette, Hemi Cuda, or 427 Cobra was a super car.A If
you can't
A A A break the tires loose in 4th (in a 4 speed car) it's no
super car.
A A Of
A A A course tires etc, were very different then.
A A A I think a Pantera should come in first in a potential for
performance
A A A category as the car having the greatest potential to provide
extreme
A A A performance for the common man (who can't through a million
bucks at
A A a
A A A car and not care if it sticks).
A A A Ken
A A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A From: "[1][7]GR2835 at comcast.net" <[2][8]GR2835 at comcast.net>
A A A To: [3][9]detomaso at poca.com
A A A Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:12 PM
A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Value just went up!
A
A [1][1][4][10]http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/these-10-s
upercars-
A A had
A A A -in
A A A A credibly-long-lives/ss-BBpfFx1
A A A A GRinillinois
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A A A A 1.
A
A [2][5][11]http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/these-10-supe
rcars-had
A A -in
A A A credibly-long-lives/ss-BBpfFx1
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