[DeTomaso] Pantera Value just went up!

Guido deTomaso guido_detomaso at prodigy.net
Fri Mar 11 22:37:40 EST 2016 

Seems nobody took the bait, I'll give it a shot:
Your examples are all front-engine musclecars.  And I infer you don't believe the Countach or testarossa are supercars by your definition.
Trouble I have with musclecars is they usually have millions of lesser cousins plying the roads that drive mostly the same but are only worth 1/10,000th what the Hemi version is worth.  2nd issue I see is, what do you do today with one?  Outside of cruising main and hanging at the drive-thru, not seeing the million dollars worth of fun.
The "potential for performance" trophy sounds too much like the modern "everyone gets a trophy".  I could put it on my mantle next to the trophies for all the races deTomaso would have won if he'd put his mind to it.
>From the article, I don't consider the Esprit or the 308 to be supercars, I'd call them exotic sportscars; the Pantera I've always seen as "budget supercar", and yes if I had the scratch I'd have a Countach, BB, testarossa also.
Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong.
GD



      From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
 To: "GR2835 at comcast.net" <GR2835 at comcast.net>; "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 4:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Value just went up!
   
  It's funny how the definition of Super Car has evolved.  To me, a mid
  60s 427 Vette, Hemi Cuda, or 427 Cobra was a super car.  If you can't
  break the tires loose in 4th (in a 4 speed car) it's no super car.  Of
  course tires etc, were very different then.
  I think a Pantera should come in first in a potential for performance
  category as the car having the greatest potential to provide extreme
  performance for the common man (who can't through a million bucks at a
  car and not care if it sticks).
  Ken
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  Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Value just went up!

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  -in
    credibly-long-lives/ss-BBpfFx1
    GRinillinois
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   Seems nobody took the bait, I'll give it a shot:
   Your examples are all front-engine musclecars.  And I infer you don't
   believe the Countach or testarossa are supercars by your definition.
   Trouble I have with musclecars is they usually have millions of lesser
   cousins plying the roads that drive mostly the same but are only worth
   1/10,000th what the Hemi version is worth.  2nd issue I see is, what do
   you do today with one?  Outside of cruising main and hanging at the
   drive-thru, not seeing the million dollars worth of fun.
   The "potential for performance" trophy sounds too much like the modern
   "everyone gets a trophy".  I could put it on my mantle next to the
   trophies for all the races deTomaso would have won if he'd put his mind
   to it.
   From the article, I don't consider the Esprit or the 308 to be
   supercars, I'd call them exotic sportscars; the Pantera I've always
   seen as "budget supercar", and yes if I had the scratch I'd have a
   Countach, BB, testarossa also.
   Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong.
   GD
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
   To: "GR2835 at comcast.net" <GR2835 at comcast.net>; "detomaso at poca.com"
   <detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 4:22 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Value just went up!
     It's funny how the definition of Super Car has evolved.  To me, a mid
     60s 427 Vette, Hemi Cuda, or 427 Cobra was a super car.  If you can't
     break the tires loose in 4th (in a 4 speed car) it's no super car.
   Of
     course tires etc, were very different then.
     I think a Pantera should come in first in a potential for performance
     category as the car having the greatest potential to provide extreme
     performance for the common man (who can't through a million bucks at
   a
     car and not care if it sticks).
     Ken
       __________________________________________________________________
     From: "[1]GR2835 at comcast.net" <[2]GR2835 at comcast.net>
     To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
     Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:12 PM
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Value just went up!

   [1][1][4]http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/these-10-supercars-
   had
     -in
       credibly-long-lives/ss-BBpfFx1
       GRinillinois
     References
       1.

   [2][5]http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/these-10-supercars-had
   -in
     credibly-long-lives/ss-BBpfFx1
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     2.
   [9]http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/these-10-supercars-had-in
   credibly-long-lives/ss-BBpfFx1
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   4. http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/these-10-supercars-had
   5. http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/these-10-supercars-had-in
   6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   8. http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/these-10-supercars-had-in
   9. http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/these-10-supercars-had-incredibly-long-lives/ss-BBpfFx1
  10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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