[DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Dave
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Tue Jun 7 13:28:24 EDT 2016
I thought the same thing Forest.
IndyDave
-----Original Message-----
From: Forest Goodhart [mailto:forestg at att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 12:46 AM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Ken, It appeared as if the post was written by Scott but if you read to the end you will see that this was written by POCA President Michael Shortt. I've met Scott and I don't believe he could ever have written something as hateful as this. I have been hoping that Mr. Shortt had mellowed out but apparently not. Forest
From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: "scottcouchman at yahoo.com" <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>; Rod Kunishige <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Scott,
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you really don't
know Rod. I think Rod has always been a positive influence on the
group in general, and every experience I have had with him has been
positive. Rod has contributed as much or more to the community than
anyone I know. If you every need a goodwill ambassador for the Pantera
community, I think Rod would be high on the list.
Ken
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From: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
"You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up
until now, I have tried to
remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael
Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea.
Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part
of any equation on my worksheet.
You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality
type addicted to drama.
That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure
you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in
an
earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
structure and civility.
If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I
will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
you from this club.
I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes
now in place to secure both outcomes.
This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and
use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
of trying to destroy it from within.
Michael Shortt
President
POCA"
Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club?
On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige
<[1][1]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Am I to be removed from the POCA?
Rod
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From: [2][2]michaelsavga at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
To: [3][3]rkunishige at hotmail.com
CC: [4][4]jpoca2 at hotmail.com; [5][5]JDeRyke at aol.com;
[6][6]MBGlobalSc at aol.com;
[7][7]jb841 at cox.net; [8][8]RREIDCPA at aol.com; [9][9]paso750 at gmail.com;
[10][10]qrtlow at gmail.com; [11][11]edducati at mac.com
Mr. Kunishige,
It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA
which operates through channels escapes you.
It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails with
you, that member should know that
when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for
violating BOD policy.
Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not entitled
to
our work emails, discussions or methodologies
used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed
amongst
ourselves, these same issues
are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting
where
all members can hear how we take care of business.
I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD
meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse
can happen even between people with disparate points of view.
It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last
10
years of POCA pretty much proves that point.
In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to operate
a
business successfully relates to our situation how?
While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me,
everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first year
and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your chance
of
still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at best.
Here is why most new businesses fail.
1 Incompetence
46 %
Emotional Pricing
Living too high for the business
Nonpayment of taxes
No knowledge of pricing
Lack of planning
No knowledge of financing
No experience in record-keeping
2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience
30 %
Poor credit granting practices
Expansion too rapid
Inadequate borrowing practices
3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services
11 %
Carry inadequate inventory
No knowledge of suppliers
Wasted advertising budget
5 Neglect, fraud, disaster
1 %
Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, that's
the biggest failure of all.
You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up
until now, I have tried to
remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael
Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea.
Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part
of any equation on my worksheet.
You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality
type addicted to drama.
That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure
you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in
an
earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
structure and civility.
If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I
will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
you from this club.
I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes
now in place to secure both outcomes.
This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and
use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
of trying to destroy it from within.
Michael Shortt
President
POCA
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On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <[12][12]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss POCA
business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president", and
"take it offline" did you not understand?
By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list
with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you
are placing the whole club in a negative light. This is adversely
effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members.
Copying the BOD.
Kind regards,
Ed
> On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige
<[13][13]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Ed Menedez,
>
> You say that facts are clearly important to you.
>
> So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May
16, 2016
> email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design
henceforth:
>
> O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full
color
> printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new
printer,
> and mailing partner.
>
> O/ The existing printer will not print anything else for
POCA
> after the June newsletter.
>
> O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA,
>
> O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout
> designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to
> advertising content display.
> the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in
total
> space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. &
1/2 page
> horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad.
>
> O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that
he will
> have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed.
>
> O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to
buy
> ads to reach our memb ers.
>
> O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up
POCA Road
> Script and POCA crest.
>
> Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space
> allocations for both pubs without consideration for content
> adjustments.
>
> My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to
> consider to fellow POCA Board Members.
>
> Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most
pleased to
> publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within
its
> full context.
> NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the
> writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35
years
> was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned
and
> operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay
Area for
> 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy
Store for
> 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my
background. I
> LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me
throughout the
> decades.
> Rod
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