[DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)

[Mark Peterson]

Bravo. Someone with a pair contributes something constructive. I don't know MS or the issues involved. I am saddened to see icons of POCA, individuals who have assisted me throughout the years, become less involved.  Nothing good ever comes form something negative and I don't think it's reflective of POCAs reputation.  It was mentioned before, please keep grievances and snarky comments between the appropriate individuals. Mark 1789      
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-----Original Message-----
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Sender: "DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:26:38 
To: Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com>; Charles Engles<cengles at cox.net>; 'Ed Mendez'<edducati at mac.com>; 'Mike Reilly'<reillyms at live.com>
Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com<detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)

It isn¹t about controlling the club.

It takes a lot of guts to step forward to be president (or any board
position).  It is often a thankless job, and you take a lot of crap for it
- even when you are right.

MS just wants to improve the club.  I¹m impressed with his energy and most
of his ideas.  I disagree with some, but that¹s another matter.

The problem is he pissed off a lot of people with his approach, and now
it¹s a back and forth verbal battle until someone has enough and leaves.
Unfortunately, there are <many> against him, and they¹ll never all shut up
and leave.  So, the ³fix" has to come from MS - somehow.


On 7/23/16, 9:54 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

>   You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a
>   car club?  The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is
>   ridiculous.  The hole just gets deeper and deeper.  You read about crap
>   like this going on to gain control of multi-million $ corporations, but
>   it makes no sense for a car club.
>   Ken
>     __________________________________________________________________
>
>   From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>   To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati at mac.com>;
>   'Mike Reilly' <reillyms at live.com>
>   Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>   Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>   Dear Ken,
>             The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus
>   operandi.
>                         Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>   Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>   Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM
>   To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly
>   Cc: [2]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>   This is sounding really political and dishonest.  Is it one of those
>   surveys carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an
>   excuse to do things informed members would never approve?
>   Ken
>         From: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>   To: Mike Reilly <[4]reillyms at live.com>
>   Cc: "[5]detomaso at detomasolist.com" <[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>   Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>
>   You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the
>   board.
>   Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails
>   that he has a list of.
>   > On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms at live.com> wrote:
>   >
>   >  Check your junk file.  Mine was there.
>   >
>   >
>   >  Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>   >
>   >
>   >  From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>   >  Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM
>   >  To: [3][8]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>   >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>   >
>   >
>   >  I have not received the survey.  I am hoping it would have a 4th
>   >  reply.
>   >  4.  Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information
>   >  and
>   >  postings from POCA.com.  You may keep any pro-rated membership fees
>   >and
>   >  future publication mailings.
>   >  The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email
>   >  address
>   >  to see whom to send above to.
>   >
>   >  -----Original Message-----
>   >  From: DeTomaso
>   [[4]mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>   >On
>   >  Behalf
>   >  Of Will Kooiman
>   >  Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM
>   >  To: Ken Green; Pantdino; [10]julian_kift at hotmail.com;
>   [11]bill at incendium.com
>   >  Cc: [12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
>   [13]detomaso at detomasolist.com;
>   >  [14]mbglobalsc at aol.com; [15]gpd4 at juno.com
>   >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>   >  Verbatim from the survey:
>   >  1.  We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and
>   >want
>   >  you to fight for us and keep making the club better.  OR
>   >  2.  We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight,
>   >let
>   >  the
>   >  contentious people win and return the club to the way it was.
>   >  This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you
>   fully
>   >  support us, or you suck.
>   >  How about this?
>   >  3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am
>   >  unhappy
>   >  with the way it has been done.  Please continue trying to make the
>   >club
>   >  better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have
>   >been
>   >  damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without
>   treating
>   >  people
>   >  with respect, they should leave.
>   >  --
>   >  Will
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