[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
Larry Stock
larrys at panteraparts.com
Thu Jan 14 19:40:18 EST 2016
The SS Gas tank shield shoud ³clip² over the existing stock heat shield.
Should just slide right in over and ON the stockheat shield with
everything including the engine and headers n place. Literally a min
installation job. (At least if it came from The Pantera arts Connection.
PN 09030C Fuel tank heat shield, Polished stainless Steel $295.00)Larry Stck
On 1/14/16, 4:07 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomas"
<detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of detomaso at poca.co> wrote:
>Tom,
>
>Technically that isn't a shield nits a bling cover for the existing stock
>shield (which is a sandwich affair with asbestos inside)
>
>The guy who restored my car didn't figure that out and threw the factory
>shield away. :(. So I had to put aircraft engine bay insulation in the
>back of my SS cover to try to turn it into a shield.
>
>BTW I don't think you can install it with the engine in place....?
>>Mike
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jan 14, 2016, at 15:57, tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Gas tank shield ?
>> I have a new stainless steel shield that came with my project.
>> Is it the norm o insulate it for heat.?
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> 1. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)
>>> 2. Re: parking brakes (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>>> 3. Re: parking brakes (MikeLDew at aol.com)
>>> 4. Re: parking brakes (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>>> 5. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>>> 6. Re: parking brakes (Stephen
>>> 7. Re: parking brakes (L GRAY)
>>> 8. Re: Campagnolo Wheels Michael Shortt)
>>> 9. Re: parkig braks (Tomas Gunnarsson)
>>> 10. Re: Campagnolo Whees (Larry Stock)
>>> 11. Re parking brakes (Charls McCall)
>>> 12. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)>>> 13. Re: parking brakes (Charles McCall)
>>> 14. Re: parking brakes (Thomas Tornblom)
>>> 15. Re: Camagnolo Wheels (marshall smith)
>>> 16. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith)
>>> 17. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Michael Shortt)
>> 18. Re: parking brakes (Ken Green)
>>> 19. Re: parking brakes (Scott Bell)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:27:31 -0800
>>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
>>> To: <gaino at earthlink.net>
>>>Cc: <steve at snclocks.com>, <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes>>> Message-ID: <46D238640B764EE3A581C2544BE74A80 at mail2world.com>
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>>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side o
>>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that not
>>> all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only newer
>>> carsthat suffer from that.
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>>
>>> From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
>>> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM
>>> To: steve at snclocks.com;guson at home.se
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to use
>>> as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired on
>>> the rear mounts..Bill 1362
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stephen
>>> Sent: Jan 13, 2016 11:21 AM
>>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , gaino at earthlink.net
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whilst 'inelegant', at least the stock system works well. I
>>> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on
>>> the back. I did have the originals coated blac - heck doesn't look
>>> that bad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephen Nelson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.cm] On Bhalf Of
>>> Tomas Gunnarsson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
>>> To: gaino at earthlink.net
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.cm
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's simply not a good solutio. Doesn't work as an emergency
>>> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you prk your car with
>>> the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande---->
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: bill gaino
>>> [gaino at eartlink.net]
>>>
>>> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>>>
>>> To: detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>>>
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
>>> that blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers presed against
>>> the rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
>>> caipers..
>>>
>>> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>>>
>>>
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>>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of
>>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
>>>not
>> all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only newer
>>> cars that suffer from that.
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>> From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
>>> Sent 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM
>>> To: steve at snclocks.com;guson at home.se
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
>>>use
>>> as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired on
>>> the rear mounts..Bill 1362
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stephen
>>> Sent: Jan 13, 2016 11:21 AM
>>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , gaino at earthlink.net
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>> Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well. I installed
>>> Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on the
>>> back. I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't look that
>>> bad.
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephen Nelson
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tomas
>>> Gunnarsson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
>>> To: gaino at earthlink.net
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake
>>> and parking rake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>>
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>>
>>>
>>> From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
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>>> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
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>>> To: [1]detomaso at poca.com
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>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that that
>>> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against the
>>> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake calipers..
>>>
>>> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:53 -0500
>>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>> To: guson at home.se, gaino at earthlink.net
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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>>> In a essage dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake
>>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
>>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>
>>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
>>>>>>an
>>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the OEMs
>>>and is
>>> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy
>>> government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now available in
>>>the
>>> aftermarket.
>>>
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
>>>'arm' that
>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for>>>sure?
>>>
>>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock isinsufficient to
>>>hold
>>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
>>>use
>>> only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
>>>crashing
>>> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool
>>>parked it
>>> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged. As the
>>>brakes
>>> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
>>>cowded with
>>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and
>>>down
>>> into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very
>>>bad
>>> indeed.
>>>
>>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
>>>much
>>> more effective because it has its own mastercylinder that would still
>>>hold
>>> pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not serve as a
>>>proper
>>> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew out
>>>in a
>>> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
>>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
>>>
>>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park
>>> wisely and hope for the best!)
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se writes:
>>>
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>>> brake
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>
>>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
>>> an (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
>>> OEMs and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective
>>> to satisfy government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now
>>> available in the aftermarket.
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
>>> 'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody
>>>know
>>> that for sure?
>>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
>>> hold a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
>>> short-term use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less
>>>than
>>> an inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow
>>> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the
>>>line
>>> lock engaged. As the brakes cooled at night, they released and the
>>>car
>>> rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed past the
>>> Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch! Fortunately
>>> it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed.
>>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
>>>much
>>> more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would still
>>> hold pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not serve
>>>as
>>> a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal
>>> blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically
>>> leverages the components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to
>>>work.
>>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park
>>> wisely and hope for the best!)
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:57 -0500
>>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>> To: gaino at earthlink.net, steve at snclocks.com, guson at home.se
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> Message-ID: <72fdc9.23690f23.43c804dd at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> ?? Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position
>>>>to
>>>> use
>>>> ?? as Ebrake?? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired
>>>>on
>>>> ?? the rear mounts.
>>>
>>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
>>> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of
>>>the
>>> wheelwell. If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no
>>>longer fit, plus if
>>> longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
>>> forward. The only possible way to make a system like that work would
>>>be to
>>> reposition the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead
>>>of behind
>>> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
>>>involved. I
>>> suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
>>>exercise.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net writes:
>>>
>>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position
>>> to use
>>> as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
>>> wired on
>>> the rear mounts.
>>>
>>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
>>> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of
>>> the wheelwell. If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no
>>> longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the
>>> driveshafts on their way forward. The only possible way to make a
>>> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
>>>entered
>>> the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers, and there
>>> would be a fair bit of engineering involved. I suppose it might be
>>> possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:52:03 -0500
>>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>> To: guson at home.se, gaino at earthlink.net
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> Message-ID: <72fddd.5edc2feb.43c804e3 at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of
>>>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
>>>>not
>>>> all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only newer
>>>> cars that suffer from that.
>>>
>>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
>>>>>>on
>>> one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
>>>production
>>> standpoint).
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se writes:
>>>
>>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
>>> of
>>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
>>> not
>>> all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
>>> newer
>>> cars that suffer from that.
>>>
>>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
>>> on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
>>> production standpoint).
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 15:19:19 -0500
>>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>> To: davel at emspace.com, detomaso at poca.com, michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>>> Message-ID: <73161a.56810af3.43c80b47 at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
>>>> I think that's fine for treet, but aren't you concerned about the
>>>> unsprung weight for track ue?
>>>> dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a eply to an original post by
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never cam through to me nor did it wind
>>>up in my
>>> spam folder?
>>>
>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies below:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
>>>>> ? ?? Greetings,
>>>>>
>>>>> ? ??After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief inventory
>>>> today,
>>>>> ? ?? I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>>
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> ? ?? 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>>>>Triple
>>>>> ? ?? Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>>>>>for
>>>> Hall
>>>>> ? ?? Pantera.
>>>
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
>>>>>>make
>>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
>>>markedly
>>> better than others. Can you share some images perhaps to help in
>>> identification?
>>>
>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
>>>welded
>>> together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>>>
>>>>>> ? ?? And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>>>
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they
>>>have at least. :>
>>> )
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ? ?? I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>>>>> ? ?? And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>>>>Rally and
>>>>> ? ?? Track use.
>>>>
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>>>>>wheels
>>> which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
>>>spinner?
>>> Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being the
>>>only
>>> genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
>>>
>>>
>>>>> ? ?? I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>>> Blackwalls
>>>>> ? ?? and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With
>>>>>a
>>>> spare
>>>>> ? ?? Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good!
>>>>>
>>>>>> ? ?? That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>>>>>>Sell
>>>> or
>>>>> ? ?? Trade. Photos Available.
>>>>
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
>>>>>>they?
>>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>>>wheels?
>>>
>>>>> ? ?? I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>>
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
>>>>>>were
>>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. I have
>>>no
>>> idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any other
>>>car
>>> wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very small
>>>indeed. Even
>>> 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
>>>
>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
>>>to
>>> appear. :>)
>>>
>>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy
>>>>> ? ?? Wheel education.
>>>>
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>>>>>>your
>>> aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
>>>wheels
>>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We collectively
>>>know
>>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
>>>potential
>>> accident. Jack has often told of the car that was zorching down Mt.
>>>Ch
>>> arleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall
>>>wheel
>>> dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but
>>>can't
>>> remember that aspect of the story for sure. Jack?
>>>
>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
>>>sell;
>>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he had
>>>to
>>> tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked halfway
>>>around.
>>> The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken apart
>>>and
>>> inspected.
>>>
>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
>>>wheel;
>>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway in
>>>Los
>>> Angeles. What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
>>>line was
>>> damaged. MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
>>>Silver
>>> State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the
>>>finish
>>> line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest
>>>was
>>> history.
>>>
>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>>>
>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>>>woefully
>>> under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
>>>case, or a
>>> recycling bin IMHO....
>>>
>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
>>>the
>>> Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, admittedly)
>>>are
>>> nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>
>>>>>> ? ?? Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>>>> primer,
>>>>> ? ?? I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>>>>>see
>>>> the
>>>>> ? ?? final results.
>>>>> ? ?? Photo attached.
>>>>
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>> either....
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com writes:
>>>
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
>>> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
>>> unsprung weight for track use?
>>> dave
>>>
>>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it wind
>>> up in my spam folder?
>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>>>below:
>>>
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>> inventory today,
>>>> I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>>
>>>> 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>> Triple
>>>> Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>>> for Hall
>>>> Pantera.
>>>
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
>>> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
>>> markedly better than others. Can you share some images perhaps to
>>>help
>>> in identification?
>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
>>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>>>
>>>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>>
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they
>>> have at least. :>)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>>>> And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>> Rally and
>>>> Track use.
>>>
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>>>center
>>> spinner? Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter
>>> being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever
>>> encountered).
>>>
>>>> I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>> Blackwalls
>>>> and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>> With a spare
>>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>>> Sell or
>>>> Trade. Photos Available.
>>>
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
>>> they? Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
>>>L-model
>>> wheels?
>>>
>>>> I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
>>> were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. I
>>> have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any
>>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very
>>> small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had
>>>single
>>> slot wheels.
>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
>>> to appear. :>)
>>>
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>> Campy
>>>> Wheel education.
>>>
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>>> your aftermarket wheels. Simply ut, I would never wish three-piece
>>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We
>>> collectively know about multiplefailures, which always led to rapid
>>> deflation and a potential accident. Jack has often told of the car
>>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit
>>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it
>>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of the
>>> story for sure. Jack?
>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
>>> sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and
>>> he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
>>>cracked
>>> halfway around. The other three wheels had similar cracks when they
>>> were taken apart and inspected.
>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
>>> wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
>>> freeway in Los Angeles. What wasn't seen was that during the
>>>collapse,
>>> the brake line was damaged. MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
>>> on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on
>>> the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
>>> the exhaust and the rest was history.
>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>>>woefully
>>> under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
>>>case,
>>> or a recycling bin IMHO....
>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
>>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
>>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>
>>>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>>> primer,
>>>> I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>>> see the
>>>> final results.
>>>> Photo attached.
>>>
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>> either....
>>> Cheers!
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:23:56 -0800
>>> From: "Stephen" <steve at snclocks.com>
>>> To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <gaino at earthlink.net>, <guson at home.se>
>>> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> Message-ID: <00d501d14e40$54625920$fd270b60$@snclocks.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake
>>> housings and the cables. So, I cut off the cable ends, took everything
>>> apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced with
>>>heavy
>>> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less excess
>>>length,
>>> lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new ends on the
>>>cables to
>>> match the length that they needed to be. Went together very nicely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a
>>>front
>>> mounting for the originals, but would have likely required cutting a
>>>pair of
>>> holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For what all that is worth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephen Nelson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM
>>> To: gaino at earthlink.net; steve at snclocks.com; guson at home.se
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net
>>> <mailto:gaino at earthlink.net> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
>>>use
>>> as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired on
>>> the rear mounts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
>>>>>>calipers
>>> are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of the
>>>wheelwell.
>>> If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no longer fit, plus if
>>> longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
>>>forward.
>>> The only possible way to make a system like that work would be to
>>>reposition
>>> the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind
>>>the
>>> hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering involved. I
>>> suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
>>>exercise.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake
>>> housings and the cables. So, I cut off the cable ends, took
>>>everything
>>> apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced with
>>> heavy shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less
>>> excess length, lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new
>>> ends on the cables to match the length that they needed to be. Went
>>> together very nicely.
>>>
>>>
>>> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a
>>> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required
>>> cutting a pair of holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes...
>>>
>>>
>>> For what all that is worth.
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephen Nelson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM
>>> To: gaino at earthlink.net; steve at snclocks.com; guson at home.se
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [1]gaino at earthlink.net writes:
>>>
>>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position
>>> to use
>>> as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
>>> wired on
>>> the rear mounts.
>>>
>>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
>>> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of
>>> the wheelwell. If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no
>>> longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the
>>> driveshafts on their way forward. The only possible way to make a
>>> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
>>>entered
>>> the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers, and there
>>> would be a fair bit of engineering involved. I suppose it might be
>>> possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:07:23 +0000
>>> From: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
>>> To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>>> Cc: "guson at home.se" <guson at home.se>, "gaino at earthlink.net"
>>> <gaino at earthlink.net>, "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>><BLUPR19MB0163500785FD9792060E49A29DCB0 at BLUPR19MB0163.namprd19.prod.outl
>>>ook.com>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>>
>>> Hate to disagree here Mike. The only uprights that were produced for a
>>>Pantera that were right or left handed were "some" of Hall Pantera's
>>>aluminum uprights, and they originally had mounts on front and rear.
>>>For some reason later on in production they were built without both
>>>sets of ears.......... never understood why .......as you said dumb
>>>idea !!
>>> The Group 4 uprights were manufactured with both sets of ears.
>>>Some of you may not know that the GT 5 and the GT 5-S rear uprights
>>>were taken from the competition Group 4 spares inventory.
>>>
>>> Leslie A. Gray
>>>
>>>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>>>><detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se writes:
>>>>
>>>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
>>>> of
>>>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
>>>> not
>>>> all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
>>>> newer
>>>> cars that suffer from that.
>>>>
>>>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
>>>> on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
>>>> production standpoint).
>>>> Mike
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>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:20:31 -0500
>>> From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>> To: 576103 <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>>> Cc: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
>>> <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CAEWtxWrnqwjnrhKaKWzkxyc4SnmmwfoeAk1gHft7eVUsB=Di5Q at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are
>>>welded
>>> or billet.
>>>
>>> I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the
>>> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs,
>>> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
>>>signs
>>> of stress, damage either.
>>>
>>> It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse and
>>> driving style.
>>>
>>> My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe
>>>because
>>> he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Shortt
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
>>>> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
>>>> unsprung weight for track use?
>>>> dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
>>>>wind up
>>>> in my spam folder?
>>>>
>>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
>>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>>>>below:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>
>>>>> After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief inventory
>>>> today,
>>>>> I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero Triple
>>>>> Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made for
>>>> Hall
>>>>> Pantera.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
>>>>>>>make
>>>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
>>>>markedly
>>>> better than others. Can you share some images perhaps to help in
>>>> identification?
>>>>
>>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
>>>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>>>>
>>>>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>>>
>>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
>>>>they have
>>>> at least. :>)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>>>>> And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally
>>>>>and
>>>>> Track use.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>>>>center
>>>> spinner? Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter
>>>>being
>>>> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>>> Blackwalls
>>>>> and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With a
>>>> spare
>>>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds good!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of. Sell
>>>>>>or
>>>>> Trade. Photos Available.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
>>>>>>>they?
>>>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>>>>wheels?
>>>>
>>>>> I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>>
>>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
>>>>>>>were
>>>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. I have
>>>>no
>>>> idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any other
>>>>car
>>>> wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very small
>>>>indeed.
>>>> Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
>>>>
>>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
>>>>to
>>>> appear. :>)
>>>>
>>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy
>>>>> Wheel education.
>>>>
>>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>>>>>>>your
>>>> aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
>>>>wheels
>>>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We collectively
>>>>know
>>>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
>>>> potential accident. Jack has often told of the car that was zorching
>>>>down
>>>> Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his
>>>>Hall
>>>> wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the
>>>>scenery, but
>>>> can't remember that aspect of the story for sure. Jack?
>>>>
>>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
>>>>sell;
>>>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he
>>>>had to
>>>> tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked halfway
>>>> around. The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were
>>>>taken
>>>> apart and inspected.
>>>>
>>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
>>>>wheel;
>>>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway
>>>>in Los
>>>> Angeles. What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
>>>>line was
>>>> damaged. MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
>>>>Silver
>>>> State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the
>>>>finish
>>>> line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest
>>>>was
>>>> history.
>>>>
>>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>>>>
>>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>>>>woefully
>>>> under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
>>>>case, or
>>>> a recycling bin IMHO....
>>>>
>>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
>>>>the
>>>> Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, admittedly)
>>>>are
>>>> nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>
>>>>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>>>> primer,
>>>>> I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to see
>>>>>the
>>>>> final results.
>>>>> Photo attached.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>>> either....
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael L. Shortt
>>> Savannah, Georgia
>>> www.michaelshortt.com
>>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> 912-232-9390
>>>
>>>
>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
>>>notified
>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that
>>>you
>>> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are
>>> welded or billet.
>>> I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the
>>> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs,
>>> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
>>> signs of stress, damage either.
>>> It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse and
>>> driving style.
>>> My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe
>>> because he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
>>> Michael Shortt
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [2]davel at emspace.com writes:
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
>>> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
>>> unsprung weight for track use?
>>> dave
>>>>>> Interesting.A This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
>>> wind up in my spam folder?
>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>>> below:
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
>>>> A A A Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> A A A After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>> inventory today,
>>>> A A A I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>>
>>>> A A A 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>> Triple
>>>> A A A Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
>>> made for Hall
>>>> A A A Pantera.
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A He did
>>> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
>>> some markedly better than others.A Can you share some images
>>> perhaps to help in identification?
>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
>>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>>>
>>>>> A A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
>>> 245/40.
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
>>> they have at least. :>)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A A A I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>>>> A A A And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>> Rally and
>>>> A A A Track use.
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>>> center spinner?A Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with
>>> the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
>>> ever encountered).
>>>
>>>> A A A I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>> Blackwalls
>>>> A A A and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>> With a spare
>>>> A A A Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>>>> Sounds good!A
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
>>> of. Sell or
>>>> A A A Trade. Photos Available.
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A What kind are
>>> they?A Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
>>> L-model wheels?
>>>
>>>> A A A I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
>>> These were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
>>> prototype.A I have no idea how many were put into production but
>>> I've never seen any other car wearing them, so I would have to
>>> imagine the number is very small indeed.A Even 1006, the earliest
>>> known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
>>> wheels to appear. :>)
>>>
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>> Campy
>>>> A A A Wheel education.
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>>> your aftermarket wheels.A Simply put, I would never wish
>>> three-piece Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for
>>> track use.A We collectively know about multiple failures, which
>>> always led to rapid deflation and a potential accident.A Jack has
>>> often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las
>>> Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled
>>> himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
>>> remember that aspect of the story for sure.A Jack?
>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
>>> sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)
>>> and he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
>>> cracked halfway around.A The other three wheels had similar cracks
>>> when they were taken apart and inspected.
>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
>>> wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
>>> freeway in Los Angeles.A What wasn't seen was that during the
>>> collapse, the brake line was damaged.A MD swapped his stock wheels
>>> w/race tires on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but
>>> when he stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured,
>>> fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was history.
>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a
>>> display case, or a recycling bin IMHO....
>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
>>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
>>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>> A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
>>> green primer,
>>>> A A A I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
>>> to see the
>>>> A A A final results.
>>>> A A A Photo attached.
>>>>
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>> either....
>>> Cheers!
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael L. Shortt
>>> Savannah, Georgia
>>> [3]www.michaelshortt.com
>>> [4]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> 912-232-9390
>>> A
>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>>> privileged.A If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
>>> notified
>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>>> communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the sender
>>>that
>>> you
>>> have received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank you
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>> 2. mailto:davel at emspace.com
>>> 3. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>> 4. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:23:36 -0800
>>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
>>> To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>>> Cc: <gaino at earthlink.net>, <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> Message-ID: <F6F0EDD7F26440B0970C3CD2C70F6033 at mail2world.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake
>>> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
>>>
>>>
>>> Aka line loc.
>>>
>>>
>>> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate
>>>the
>>> brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>>
>>> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [detomaso at poca.com]
>>> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM
>>> To: guson at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake
>>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
>>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>
>>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about an
>>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the OEMs
>>> and is
>>> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy
>>> government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now available in
>>>the
>>> aftermarket.
>>>
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
>>> 'arm' that
>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>>> sure?
>>>
>>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
>>> hold
>>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
>>>use
>>> only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
>>> crashing
>>> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool
>>> parked it
>>> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged. As the
>>> brakes
>>> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot crowded
>>> with
>>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and
>>> down
>>> into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very
>>>bad
>>> indeed.
>>>
>>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
>>>much
>>> more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would still
>>> hold
>>> pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not serve as a
>>> proper
>>> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew out
>>> in a
>>> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
>>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
>>>
>>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park
>>> wisely and hope for the best!)
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake
>>> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
>>>
>>> Aka line loc.
>>>
>>> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate
>>> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [detomaso at poca.com]
>>> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM
>>> To: guson at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se writes:
>>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake
>>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
>>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>>
>>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about an
>>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the OEMs
>>> and is
>>> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy
>>> government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now available in
>>> the
>>> aftermarket.
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
>>> 'arm' that
>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>>> sure?
>>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
>>> hold
>>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
>>>use
>>> only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
>>> crashing
>>> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool
>>> parked it
>>> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged. As the
>>> brakes
>>> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
>>>crowded
>>> with
>>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and
>>> down
>>> into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very
>>> bad
>>> indeed.
>>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
>>>much
>>> more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would still
>>> hold
>>> pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not serve as a
>>> proper
>>> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew out
>>> in a
>>> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
>>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
>>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park
>>> wisely and hope for the best!)
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:30:22 -0800
>>> From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
>>> To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <davel at emspace.com>, <detomaso at poca.com>,
>>> <michael at michaelshortt.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>>> Message-ID: <D2BC0041.15C59F%larrys at panteraparts.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>>>
>>> I am taking in a set of 8?s and 10?s X15? Campy?s with new tires next
>>>week
>>> on a sale and trade I am doing. Since you guys are talking about
>>>these, I
>>> am going to have a set available in the next week or so.
>>> E-mail me for more info and details.
>>> Larrys at PanteraParts.com (1-800-DeTomaso) 800-338-6627
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/13/16, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
>>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
>>>> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
>>>> unsprung weight for track use?
>>>> dave
>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it wind
>>>> up in my spam folder?
>>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
>>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>>>>below:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>
>>>>> After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>>> inventory today,
>>>>> I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>>>
>>>>> 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>>> Triple
>>>>> Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>>>> for Hall
>>>>> Pantera.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
>>>> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
>>>> markedly better than others. Can you share some images perhaps to
>>>>help
>>>> in identification?
>>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
>>>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>>>>
>>>>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>>>
>>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they
>>>> have at least. :>)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>>>>> And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>>> Rally and
>>>>> Track use.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>>>>center
>>>> spinner? Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter
>>>> being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever
>>>> encountered).
>>>>
>>>>> I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>>> Blackwalls
>>>>> and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>>> With a spare
>>>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds good!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>>>> Sell or
>>>>> Trade. Photos Available.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
>>>> they? Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
>>>>L-model
>>>> wheels?
>>>>
>>>>> I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>>
>>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
>>>> were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. I
>>>> have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any
>>>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very
>>>> small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had
>>>>single
>>>> slot wheels.
>>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
>>>> to appear. :>)
>>>>
>>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>>> Campy
>>>>> Wheel education.
>>>>
>>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>>>> your aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece
>>>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We
>>>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to rapid
>>>> deflation and a potential accident. Jack has often told of the car
>>>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit
>>>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it
>>>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of the
>>>> story for sure. Jack?
>>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
>>>> sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and
>>>> he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
>>>>cracked
>>>> halfway around. The other three wheels had similar cracks when they
>>>> were taken apart and inspected.
>>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
>>>> wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
>>>> freeway in Los Angeles. What wasn't seen was that during the
>>>>collapse,
>>>> the brake line was damaged. MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
>>>> on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on
>>>> the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
>>>> the exhaust and the rest was history.
>>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>>>>woefully
>>>> under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
>>>>case,
>>>> or a recycling bin IMHO....
>>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
>>>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
>>>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>
>>>>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>>>> primer,
>>>>> I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>>>> see the
>>>>> final results.
>>>>> Photo attached.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>>> either....
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> Mike
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:53:34 +0100
>>> From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>>> To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <guson at home.se>, <gaino at earthlink.net>,
>>> <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> Message-ID: <00fd01d14e4c$dac3a170$904ae450$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
>>>'arm'
>>> that
>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>>>sure?
>>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>>>second
>>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>>>at any
>>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 12
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:02:11 -0800
>>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
>>> To: <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> Message-ID: <72F2415F8F0A41A0BC5857747006BB5D at mail2world.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid would
>>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
>>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip the
>>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>>>on/off.
>>> Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's usually also a
>>> requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not
>>>allowed.
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>>
>>> From: Charles McCall [charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>>> To:
>>> MikeLDrew at aol.com;guson at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net;detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
>>> 'arm'
>>> that
>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>>> sure?
>>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>>> second
>>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it at
>>> any
>>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>>>would
>>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
>>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip the
>>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>>> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics
>>> are not allowed.
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>> From: Charles McCall [charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>>> To:
>>> MikeLDrew at aol.com;guson at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net;detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
>>> 'arm'
>>> that
>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>>> sure?
>>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>>> second
>>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>>>at
>>> any
>>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 13
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:04:27 +0100
>>> From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>
>>> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> Message-ID: <010701d14e4e$5fc90440$1f5b0cc0$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Sorry, you are correct that it is a linear actuator. I answered
>>>quickly. In
>>> any case, it is a mechanical actuator and not pressurizing the
>>>hydraulic
>>> line.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson [mailto:guson at home.se]
>>> Sent: mi?rcoles, 13 de enero de 2016 23:02
>>> To: charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>>>would not
>>> be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the brakes
>>>are
>>> on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip the switch (or
>>> whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are on/off. Where
>>>there's
>>> legislation requiring a parking brake it's usually also a requirement
>>>that
>>> it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not allowed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Charles McCall [charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>>> To:
>>>MikeLDrew at aol.com;guson at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net;detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
>>>'arm'
>>>
>>> that
>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>>>sure?
>>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>>>second
>>>
>>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>>>at any
>>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> Sorry, you are correct that it is a linear actuator. I answered
>>> quickly. In any case, it is a mechanical actuator and not pressurizing
>>> the hydraulic line.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson [mailto:guson at home.se]
>>> Sent: miercoles, 13 de enero de 2016 23:02
>>> To: charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>>>would
>>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
>>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip the
>>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>>> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics
>>> are not allowed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Charles McCall [charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>>> To:
>>>
>>>[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com;guson at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net;detomaso at poca.co
>>> m
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
>>> 'arm'
>>> that
>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>>> sure?
>>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>>> second
>>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>>>at
>>> any
>>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
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>>> References
>>>
>>> 1.
>>>mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com;guson at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net;detomaso at poca
>>>.com
>>> 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>> 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 14
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:09:38 +0100
>>> From: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>
>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> Message-ID: <5696CB22.5070902 at hax.se>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>
>>> I believe VW electric parking brake have an electric motor directly on
>>> the caliper, no cables.
>>>
>>>
>>> Den 2016-01-13 22:53, Charles McCall skrev:
>>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>>>>mechanical 'arm'
>>>> that
>>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
>>>>for sure?
>>>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>>>>second
>>>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>>>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>>>>at any
>>>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 15
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:15:16 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: <davel at emspace.com>, <detomaso at poca.com>,
>>> <michael at michaelshortt.com>, <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>> FYI....
>>>
>>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and came
>>>with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the
>>>lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
>>> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I recall.
>>>
>>> Marshall
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>>> To: davel at emspace.com, detomaso at poca.com, michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>>>
>>> ???In a message dated
>>> 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
>>> writes:
>>>
>>> ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
>>> heavier than the mags.
>>> ? ???I think that's fine for street, but
>>> aren't you concerned about the
>>> ? ???unsprung weight for track use?
>>> ? ???dave
>>>
>>> ???>>>Interesting.? This was
>>> apparently a reply to an original post by
>>> ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came
>>> through to me nor did it wind
>>> ???up in my spam folder?
>>> ???I'm noting some irregularities with the
>>> forum these days....anyway,
>>> ???thankfully Dave included Michael's
>>> original post, so see replies below:
>>>
>>> ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
>>> wrote:
>>> ? ???>?
>>> ???Greetings,
>>> ? ???>
>>> ? ???>? ???After
>>> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>> ? ???inventory today,
>>> ? ???>? ???I have
>>> 21 Campy wheels,
>>>
>>> ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>>
>>> ? ???>? ???5
>>> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>> ? ???Triple
>>> ? ???>? ???Slots
>>> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>>> ? ???for Hall
>>> ? ???>?
>>> ???Pantera.
>>>
>>> ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
>>> every made wheels for Hall?? He did
>>> ???make them for several other vendors, in
>>> several different styles, some
>>> ???markedly better than others.? Can you
>>> share some images perhaps to help
>>> ???in identification?
>>> ???Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
>>> Si-looking wheels that were
>>> ???welded together, and perhaps Coddington
>>> was the source for those?
>>>
>>> ? ???>>?
>>> ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
>>> 335/35 and 245/40.
>>>
>>> ???>>>What kind of wheels are
>>> those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>> ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
>>> certain how many spokes they
>>> ???have at least. :>)
>>>
>>> ? ???>
>>> ? ???>? ???I am
>>> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>>> ? ???>? ???And
>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>> ? ???Rally and
>>> ? ???>? ???Track
>>> use.
>>>
>>> ???>>>Wait--are you talking about
>>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>> ???wheels which are three-piece,
>>> bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
>>> ???spinner?? Those are as different as
>>> chalk and cheese (with the latter
>>> ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
>>> wheels I've ever
>>> ???encountered).
>>>
>>> ? ???>? ???I will
>>> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>> ? ???Blackwalls
>>> ? ???>? ???and a
>>> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>> ? ???With a spare
>>> ? ???>? ???Front
>>> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>
>>> ???>>>Sounds good!
>>>
>>> ? ???>
>>> ? ???>>?
>>> ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
>>> wheels to dispose of.
>>> ? ???Sell or
>>> ? ???>? ???Trade.
>>> Photos Available.
>>>
>>> ???>>>Somebody just asked for a
>>> set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind are
>>> ???they?? Guy might want to trade his
>>> '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>>> ???wheels?
>>>
>>> ? ???>? ???I'd
>>> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>
>>> ???>>>I have only ever seen two of
>>> them (separately) in my life.? These
>>> ???were an experimental wheel used on the
>>> first pushmobile prototype.? I
>>> ???have no idea how many were put into
>>> production but I've never seen any
>>> ???other car wearing them, so I would have to
>>> imagine the number is very
>>> ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the
>>> earliest known Pantera extant, had single
>>> ???slot wheels.
>>> ???So don't hold your breath waiting for a
>>> full set of three-slot wheels
>>> ???to appear. :>)
>>>
>>> ? ???>I will sort them this week by
>>> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>> ? ???Campy
>>> ? ???>? ???Wheel
>>> education.
>>>
>>> ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this
>>> point I'm far more concerned about
>>> ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put,
>>> I would never wish three-piece
>>> ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
>>> especially not for track use.? We
>>> ???collectively know about multiple failures,
>>> which always led to rapid
>>> ???deflation and a potential accident.?
>>> Jack has often told of the car
>>> ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
>>> Las Vegas at triple digit
>>> ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel
>>> dismantled himself; I believe it
>>> ???thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
>>> remember that aspect of the
>>> ???story for sure.? Jack?
>>> ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
>>> Concorso that he was trying to
>>> ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
>>> the car was parked (!) and
>>> ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
>>> couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>>> ???halfway around.? The other three
>>> wheels had similar cracks when they
>>> ???were taken apart and inspected.
>>> ???And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
>>> by the failure of his Hall
>>> ???wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
>>> the car fell down onto the
>>> ???freeway in Los Angeles.? What wasn't
>>> seen was that during the collapse,
>>> ???the brake line was damaged.? MD
>>> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
>>> ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two
>>> later, but when he stepped on
>>> ???the brakes at the finish line, the line
>>> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
>>> ???the exhaust and the rest was history.
>>> ???And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
>>> many others.
>>> ???Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
>>> design but they were woefully
>>> ???under-engineered, and today should be
>>> related either to a display case,
>>> ???or a recycling bin IMHO....
>>> ???So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
>>> you're talking about here, as
>>> ???the Coddington wheels (which I have
>>> aesthetic problems with,
>>> ???admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
>>> wheels at all.
>>>
>>> ? ???>>?
>>> ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of
>>> them down to the green
>>> ? ???primer,
>>> ? ???>? ???I'll
>>> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>>> ? ???see the
>>> ? ???>? ???final
>>> results.
>>> ? ???>? ???Photo
>>> attached.
>>> ? ???>
>>>
>>> ???>>>Since I didn't get your
>>> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>> ???either....
>>> ???Cheers!
>>> ???Mike
>>>
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>>> Message: 16
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:24:18 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: <davel at emspace.com>, <detomaso at poca.com>,
>>> <michael at michaelshortt.com>, <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, marshall smith
>>> <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> Additionally....Hall's 10 spoke wheels have the spokes slanted
>>>slightly inboard or towards the suspension. I believe Wilkinson made a
>>>10 spoke wheel where the spokes slant outward. These are visually
>>>better looking giving a semi dished look and have slightly rounded
>>>spokes where the Hall's have sharp edged spokes.
>>>
>>> M
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Wed, 1/13/16, marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>>> To: davel at emspace.com, detomaso at poca.com, michael at michaelshortt.com,
>>>MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 2:15 PM
>>>
>>> FYI....
>>>
>>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded
>>> centers and came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner
>>> and cone that covered the lug nuts or you could delete the
>>> cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
>>> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s
>>> as I recall.
>>>
>>> Marshall
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>>> To: davel at emspace.com,
>>> detomaso at poca.com,
>>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>>>
>>> ???In a message dated
>>> 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
>>> writes:
>>>
>>> ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
>>> heavier than the mags.
>>> ? ???I think that's fine for street, but
>>> aren't you concerned about the
>>> ? ???unsprung weight for track use?
>>> ? ???dave
>>>
>>> ???>>>Interesting.? This was
>>> apparently a reply to an original post by
>>> ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came
>>> through to me nor did it wind
>>> ???up in my spam folder?
>>> ???I'm noting some irregularities with the
>>> forum these days....anyway,
>>> ???thankfully Dave included Michael's
>>> original post, so see replies below:
>>>
>>> ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
>>> wrote:
>>> ? ???>?
>>> ???Greetings,
>>> ? ???>
>>> ? ???>? ???After
>>> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>> ? ???inventory today,
>>> ? ???>? ???I have
>>> 21 Campy wheels,
>>>
>>> ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>>
>>> ? ???>? ???5
>>> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>> ? ???Triple
>>> ? ???>? ???Slots
>>> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>>> ? ???for Hall
>>> ? ???>?
>>> ???Pantera.
>>>
>>> ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
>>> every made wheels for Hall?? He did
>>> ???make them for several other vendors, in
>>> several different styles, some
>>> ???markedly better than others.? Can you
>>> share some images perhaps to help
>>> ???in identification?
>>> ???Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
>>> Si-looking wheels that were
>>> ???welded together, and perhaps Coddington
>>> was the source for those?
>>>
>>> ? ???>>?
>>> ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
>>> 335/35 and 245/40.
>>>
>>> ???>>>What kind of wheels are
>>> those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>> ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
>>> certain how many spokes they
>>> ???have at least. :>)
>>>
>>> ? ???>
>>> ? ???>? ???I am
>>> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>>> ? ???>? ???And
>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>> ? ???Rally and
>>> ? ???>? ???Track
>>> use.
>>>
>>> ???>>>Wait--are you talking about
>>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>> ???wheels which are three-piece,
>>> bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
>>> ???spinner?? Those are as different as
>>> chalk and cheese (with the latter
>>> ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
>>> wheels I've ever
>>> ???encountered).
>>>
>>> ? ???>? ???I will
>>> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>> ? ???Blackwalls
>>> ? ???>? ???and a
>>> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>> ? ???With a spare
>>> ? ???>? ???Front
>>> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>
>>> ???>>>Sounds good!
>>>
>>> ? ???>
>>> ? ???>>?
>>> ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
>>> wheels to dispose of.
>>> ? ???Sell or
>>> ? ???>? ???Trade.
>>> Photos Available.
>>>
>>> ???>>>Somebody just asked for a
>>> set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind are
>>> ???they?? Guy might want to trade his
>>> '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>>> ???wheels?
>>>
>>> ? ???>? ???I'd
>>> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>
>>> ???>>>I have only ever seen two of
>>> them (separately) in my life.? These
>>> ???were an experimental wheel used on the
>>> first pushmobile prototype.? I
>>> ???have no idea how many were put into
>>> production but I've never seen any
>>> ???other car wearing them, so I would have to
>>> imagine the number is very
>>> ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the
>>> earliest known Pantera extant, had single
>>> ???slot wheels.
>>> ???So don't hold your breath waiting for a
>>> full set of three-slot wheels
>>> ???to appear. :>)
>>>
>>> ? ???>I will sort them this week by
>>> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>> ? ???Campy
>>> ? ???>? ???Wheel
>>> education.
>>>
>>> ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this
>>> point I'm far more concerned about
>>> ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put,
>>> I would never wish three-piece
>>> ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
>>> especially not for track use.? We
>>> ???collectively know about multiple failures,
>>> which always led to rapid
>>> ???deflation and a potential accident.?
>>> Jack has often told of the car
>>> ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
>>> Las Vegas at triple digit
>>> ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel
>>> dismantled himself; I believe it
>>> ???thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
>>> remember that aspect of the
>>> ???story for sure.? Jack?
>>> ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
>>> Concorso that he was trying to
>>> ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
>>> the car was parked (!) and
>>> ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
>>> couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>>> ???halfway around.? The other three
>>> wheels had similar cracks when they
>>> ???were taken apart and inspected.
>>> ???And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
>>> by the failure of his Hall
>>> ???wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
>>> the car fell down onto the
>>> ???freeway in Los Angeles.? What wasn't
>>> seen was that during the collapse,
>>> ???the brake line was damaged.? MD
>>> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
>>> ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two
>>> later, but when he stepped on
>>> ???the brakes at the finish line, the line
>>> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
>>> ???the exhaust and the rest was history.
>>> ???And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
>>> many others.
>>> ???Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
>>> design but they were woefully
>>> ???under-engineered, and today should be
>>> related either to a display case,
>>> ???or a recycling bin IMHO....
>>> ???So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
>>> you're talking about here, as
>>> ???the Coddington wheels (which I have
>>> aesthetic problems with,
>>> ???admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
>>> wheels at all.
>>>
>>> ? ???>>?
>>> ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of
>>> them down to the green
>>> ? ???primer,
>>> ? ???>? ???I'll
>>> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>>> ? ???see the
>>> ? ???>? ???final
>>> results.
>>> ? ???>? ???Photo
>>> attached.
>>> ? ???>
>>>
>>> ???>>>Since I didn't get your
>>> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>> ???either....
>>> ???Cheers!
>>> ???Mike
>>>
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>>> Message: 17
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:44:23 -0500
>>> From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>> To: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
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>>> Marshall,
>>>
>>> I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the center
>>> treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big black
>>> lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
>>>
>>> Michael Shortt
>>> On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith"
>>><marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> FYI....
>>>>
>>>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and came
>>>> with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the
>>>>lug
>>>> nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
>>>> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
>>>>recall.
>>>>
>>>> Marshall
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>>>> To: davel at emspace.com, detomaso at poca.com, michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated
>>>> 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
>>>> writes:
>>>>
>>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
>>>> heavier than the mags.
>>>> I think that's fine for street, but
>>>> aren't you concerned about the
>>>> unsprung weight for track use?
>>>> dave
>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting. This was
>>>> apparently a reply to an original post by
>>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came
>>>> through to me nor did it wind
>>>> up in my spam folder?
>>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the
>>>> forum these days....anyway,
>>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's
>>>> original post, so see replies below:
>>>>
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>
>>>>> After
>>>> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>>> inventory today,
>>>>> I have
>>>> 21 Campy wheels,
>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>>>
>>>>> 5
>>>> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>>> Triple
>>>>> Slots
>>>> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>>>> for Hall
>>>> Pantera.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington
>>>> every made wheels for Hall? He did
>>>> make them for several other vendors, in
>>>> several different styles, some
>>>> markedly better than others. Can you
>>>> share some images perhaps to help
>>>> in identification?
>>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
>>>> Si-looking wheels that were
>>>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington
>>>> was the source for those?
>>>>
>>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
>>>> 335/35 and 245/40.
>>>>
>>>>>>> What kind of wheels are
>>>> those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
>>>> certain how many spokes they
>>>> have at least. :>)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am
>>>> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>>>>> And
>>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>>> Rally and
>>>>> Track
>>>> use.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about
>>>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>>> wheels which are three-piece,
>>>> bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
>>>> spinner? Those are as different as
>>>> chalk and cheese (with the latter
>>>> being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
>>>> wheels I've ever
>>>> encountered).
>>>>
>>>>> I will
>>>> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>>> Blackwalls
>>>>> and a
>>>> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>>> With a spare
>>>>> Front
>>>> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds good!
>>>>
>>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
>>>> wheels to dispose of.
>>>> Sell or
>>>>> Trade.
>>>> Photos Available.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a
>>>> set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
>>>> they? Guy might want to trade his
>>>> '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>>>> wheels?
>>>>
>>>>> I'd
>>>> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>>
>>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of
>>>> them (separately) in my life. These
>>>> were an experimental wheel used on the
>>>> first pushmobile prototype. I
>>>> have no idea how many were put into
>>>> production but I've never seen any
>>>> other car wearing them, so I would have to
>>>> imagine the number is very
>>>> small indeed. Even 1006, the
>>>> earliest known Pantera extant, had single
>>>> slot wheels.
>>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a
>>>> full set of three-slot wheels
>>>> to appear. :>)
>>>>
>>>>> I will sort them this week by
>>>> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>>> Campy
>>>>> Wheel
>>>> education.
>>>>
>>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this
>>>> point I'm far more concerned about
>>>> your aftermarket wheels. Simply put,
>>>> I would never wish three-piece
>>>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
>>>> especially not for track use. We
>>>> collectively know about multiple failures,
>>>> which always led to rapid
>>>> deflation and a potential accident.
>>>> Jack has often told of the car
>>>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
>>>> Las Vegas at triple digit
>>>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel
>>>> dismantled himself; I believe it
>>>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
>>>> remember that aspect of the
>>>> story for sure. Jack?
>>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
>>>> Concorso that he was trying to
>>>> sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
>>>> the car was parked (!) and
>>>> he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
>>>> couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>>>> halfway around. The other three
>>>> wheels had similar cracks when they
>>>> were taken apart and inspected.
>>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
>>>> by the failure of his Hall
>>>> wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
>>>> the car fell down onto the
>>>> freeway in Los Angeles. What wasn't
>>>> seen was that during the collapse,
>>>> the brake line was damaged. MD
>>>> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
>>>> on and ran the Silver State a day or two
>>>> later, but when he stepped on
>>>> the brakes at the finish line, the line
>>>> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
>>>> the exhaust and the rest was history.
>>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
>>>> many others.
>>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
>>>> design but they were woefully
>>>> under-engineered, and today should be
>>>> related either to a display case,
>>>> or a recycling bin IMHO....
>>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
>>>> you're talking about here, as
>>>> the Coddington wheels (which I have
>>>> aesthetic problems with,
>>>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
>>>> wheels at all.
>>>>
>>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of
>>>> them down to the green
>>>> primer,
>>>>> I'll
>>>> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>>>> see the
>>>>> final
>>>> results.
>>>>> Photo
>>>> attached.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Since I didn't get your
>>>> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>>> either....
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> Mike
>>>>
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>>> Marshall,
>>>
>>> I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the center
>>> treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big black
>>> lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
>>>
>>> Michael Shortt
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith"
>>> <[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> FYI....
>>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and
>>> came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that
>>> covered the lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with
>>> exposed lug nuts.
>>> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
>>> recall.
>>> Marshall
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>>> A To: [3]davel at emspace.com, [4]detomaso at poca.com,
>>> [5]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> A Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>>> A A A A In a message dated
>>> A 1/10/16 21 39 38, [6]davel at emspace.com
>>> A writes:
>>> A A A A A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
>>> A heavier than the mags.
>>> A A A A A I think that's fine for street, but
>>> A aren't you concerned about the
>>> A A A A A unsprung weight for track use?
>>> A A A A A dave
>>> A A A A >>>Interesting.A This was
>>> A apparently a reply to an original post by
>>> A A A A Michael Shortt, but that post never came
>>> A through to me nor did it wind
>>> A A A A up in my spam folder?
>>> A A A A I'm noting some irregularities with the
>>> A forum these days....anyway,
>>> A A A A thankfully Dave included Michael's
>>> A original post, so see replies below:
>>> A A A A A On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
>>> A wrote:
>>> A A A A A >A
>>> A A A A Greetings,
>>> A A A A A >
>>> A A A A A >A A A A After
>>> A gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>> A A A A A inventory today,
>>> A A A A A >A A A A I have
>>> A 21 Campy wheels,
>>> A A A A >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>> A A A A A >A A A A 5
>>> A Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>> A A A A A Triple
>>> A A A A A >A A A A Slots
>>> A ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>>> A A A A A for Hall
>>> A A A A A >A
>>> A A A A Pantera.
>>> A A A A >>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
>>> A every made wheels for Hall?A He did
>>> A A A A make them for several other vendors, in
>>> A several different styles, some
>>> A A A A markedly better than others.A Can you
>>> A share some images perhaps to help
>>> A A A A in identification?
>>> A A A A Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
>>> A Si-looking wheels that were
>>> A A A A welded together, and perhaps Coddington
>>> A was the source for those?
>>> A A A A A >>A
>>> A A A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
>>> A 335/35 and 245/40.
>>> A A A A >>>What kind of wheels are
>>> A those?A 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>> A A A A descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
>>> A certain how many spokes they
>>> A A A A have at least. :>)
>>> A A A A A >
>>> A A A A A >A A A A I am
>>> A keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>>> A A A A A >A A A A And
>>> A one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>> A A A A A Rally and
>>> A A A A A >A A A A Track
>>> A use.
>>> A A A A >>>Wait--are you talking about
>>> A Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>> A A A A wheels which are three-piece,
>>> A bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
>>> A A A A spinner?A Those are as different as
>>> A chalk and cheese (with the latter
>>> A A A A being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
>>> A wheels I've ever
>>> A A A A encountered).
>>> A A A A A >A A A A I will
>>> A be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>> A A A A A Blackwalls
>>> A A A A A >A A A A and a
>>> A set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>> A A A A A With a spare
>>> A A A A A >A A A A Front
>>> A and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>> A A A A >>>Sounds good!
>>> A A A A A >
>>> A A A A A >>A
>>> A A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
>>> A wheels to dispose of.
>>> A A A A A Sell or
>>> A A A A A >A A A A Trade.
>>> A Photos Available.
>>> A A A A >>>Somebody just asked for a
>>> A set--Guy Dellavecchia?A What kind are
>>> A A A A they?A Guy might want to trade his
>>> A '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>>> A A A A wheels?
>>> A A A A A >A A A A I'd
>>> A love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>> A A A A >>>I have only ever seen two of
>>> A them (separately) in my life.A These
>>> A A A A were an experimental wheel used on the
>>> A first pushmobile prototype.A I
>>> A A A A have no idea how many were put into
>>> A production but I've never seen any
>>> A A A A other car wearing them, so I would have to
>>> A imagine the number is very
>>> A A A A small indeed.A Even 1006, the
>>> A earliest known Pantera extant, had single
>>> A A A A slot wheels.
>>> A A A A So don't hold your breath waiting for a
>>> A full set of three-slot wheels
>>> A A A A to appear. :>)
>>> A A A A A >I will sort them this week by
>>> A design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>> A A A A A Campy
>>> A A A A A >A A A A Wheel
>>> A education.
>>> A A A A >>>It's my pleasure, but at this
>>> A point I'm far more concerned about
>>> A A A A your aftermarket wheels.A Simply put,
>>> A I would never wish three-piece
>>> A A A A Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
>>> A especially not for track use.A We
>>> A A A A collectively know about multiple failures,
>>> A which always led to rapid
>>> A A A A deflation and a potential accident.A
>>> A Jack has often told of the car
>>> A A A A that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
>>> A Las Vegas at triple digit
>>> A A A A speeds one year when his Hall wheel
>>> A dismantled himself; I believe it
>>> A A A A thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
>>> A remember that aspect of the
>>> A A A A story for sure.A Jack?
>>> A A A A Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
>>> A Concorso that he was trying to
>>> A A A A sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
>>> A the car was parked (!) and
>>> A A A A he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
>>> A couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>>> A A A A halfway around.A The other three
>>> A wheels had similar cracks when they
>>> A A A A were taken apart and inspected.
>>> A A A A And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
>>> A by the failure of his Hall
>>> A A A A wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
>>> A the car fell down onto the
>>> A A A A freeway in Los Angeles.A What wasn't
>>> A seen was that during the collapse,
>>> A A A A the brake line was damaged.A MD
>>> A swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
>>> A A A A on and ran the Silver State a day or two
>>> A later, but when he stepped on
>>> A A A A the brakes at the finish line, the line
>>> A ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
>>> A A A A the exhaust and the rest was history.
>>> A A A A And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
>>> A many others.
>>> A A A A Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
>>> A design but they were woefully
>>> A A A A under-engineered, and today should be
>>> A related either to a display case,
>>> A A A A or a recycling bin IMHO....
>>> A A A A So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
>>> A you're talking about here, as
>>> A A A A the Coddington wheels (which I have
>>> A aesthetic problems with,
>>> A A A A admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
>>> A wheels at all.
>>> A A A A A >>A
>>> A A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of
>>> A them down to the green
>>> A A A A A primer,
>>> A A A A A >A A A A I'll
>>> A probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>>> A A A A A see the
>>> A A A A A >A A A A final
>>> A results.
>>> A A A A A >A A A A Photo
>>> A attached.
>>> A A A A A >
>>> A A A A >>>Since I didn't get your
>>> A original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>> A A A A either....
>>> A A A A Cheers!
>>> A A A A Mike
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>>>
>>> Message: 18
>>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 03:51:32 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>, "charlesmccall at gmail.com"
>>> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, Scott Bell <scott at saccrestorations.net>
>>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Scott at SACC (http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was selling an
>>>electric parking brake actuator kit?for?Panteras.? I'm not sure if it
>>>is currently available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>>> Ken
>>> ?
>>>
>>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
>>> To: charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>> ? It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>>>would
>>> ? not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
>>> ? brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
>>>the
>>> ? switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>>> ? on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>>> ? usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
>>>hydraulics
>>> ? are not allowed.
>>>
>>> ? Tomas
>>> ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>> ? ? ? From: Charles McCall [charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>>> ? Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>>> ? To:
>>> ? MikeLDrew at aol.com;guson at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net;detomaso at poca.com
>>> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> ? I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> ? pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>>>mechanical
>>> ? 'arm'
>>> ? that
>>> ? is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>>> ? sure?
>>> ? ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>>> ? second
>>> ? case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>>> ? electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>>>at
>>> ? any
>>> ? speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
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>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> Scott at SACC ([1]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was selling an
>>> electric parking brake actuator kit for Panteras. I'm not sure if it
>>> is currently available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>>> Ken
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
>>> To: charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>>> would
>>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
>>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
>>> the
>>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>>> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
>>> hydraulics
>>> are not allowed.
>>> Tomas
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>> From: Charles McCall [[2]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>>> To:
>>>
>>>
>>>[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com;[4]guson at home.se;[5]gaino at earthlink.net;[6]detomas
>>> o at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>>> mechanical
>>> 'arm'
>>> that
>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>>> sure?
>>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
>>>the
>>> second
>>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>>> at
>>> any
>>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
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>>> 5. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 19
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:19:16 -0800
>>> From: "Scott Bell" <scott at saccrestorations.net>
>>> To: "'Ken Green'" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> Message-ID: <013501d14e82$bc2e21f0$348a65d0$@saccrestorations.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic Parking Brake Kit is back and available to
>>>use with the stock Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket
>>>parking brake caliper. I will add them back to our website later this
>>>week.
>>>
>>> We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer can
>>>fab the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer an
>>>installation kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.
>>>
>>> Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I
>>>almost never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I didn?t
>>>like how awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock unit to
>>>work it really needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to release, I
>>>needed to use both hands. After installing the Electronic unit, I set
>>>the parking brake every time I park the car.
>>>
>>> In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming
>>>out with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit
>>>custom fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an
>>>opportunity to upgrade to a great looking, light weight and affordable
>>>parking brake solution. More to come on the new product in the next few
>>>weeks!
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM
>>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson; charlesmccall at gmail.com; Scott Bell
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>> Scott at SACC (http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was selling an
>>>electric parking brake actuator kit for Panteras. I'm not sure if it
>>>is currently available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>> _____
>>>
>>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
>>> To: charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid would
>>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
>>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip the
>>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>>> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics
>>> are not allowed.
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>> From: Charles McCall [charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>>> To:
>>> MikeLDrew at aol.com;guson at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net;detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
>>> 'arm'
>>> that
>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>>> sure?
>>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>>> second
>>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it at
>>> any
>>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic Parking Brake Kit is back and available to
>>> use with the stock Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket
>>> parking brake caliper. I will add them back to our website later this
>>> week.
>>>
>>>
>>> We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer can
>>> fab the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer an
>>> installation kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.
>>>
>>>
>>> Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I
>>> almost never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I
>>>didn't
>>> like how awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock unit to
>>> work it really needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to release,
>>>I
>>> needed to use both hands. After installing the Electronic unit, I set
>>> the parking brake every time I park the car.
>>>
>>>
>>> In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming
>>>out
>>> with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit
>>>custom
>>> fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an
>>> opportunity to upgrade to a great looking, light weight and affordable
>>> parking brake solution. More to come on the new product in the next
>>>few
>>> weeks!
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM
>>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson; charlesmccall at gmail.com; Scott Bell
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott at SACC ([1]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was selling an
>>> electric parking brake actuator kit for Panteras. I'm not sure if it
>>> is currently available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson <[2]guson at home.se>
>>> To: [3]charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>>> would
>>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
>>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
>>> the
>>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>>> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
>>> hydraulics
>>> are not allowed.
>>> Tomas
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>> From: Charles McCall [[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>>> To:
>>>
>>>
>>>[6]MikeLDrew at aol.com;[7]guson at home.se;[8]gaino at earthlink.net;[9]detomas
>>> o at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>>> mechanical
>>> 'arm'
>>> that
>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>>> sure?
>>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
>>>the
>>> second
>>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>>> at
>>> any
>>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
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>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. http://www.saccrestorations.net/
>>> 2. mailto:guson at home.se
>>> 3. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>> 5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>> 6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>> 7. mailto:guson at home.se
>>> 8. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
>>> 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>> 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>> 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>> 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>> 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 20
>>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:50:07 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 91 Merc parts
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <749672874.510825.1452790207343.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am scrapping a 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to need any
>>>parts from same,,,,contact me off forum.
>>> ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
>>>be ! )
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am scrapping a 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to need any
>>> parts from same,,,,contact me off forum.
>>>
>>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
>>> ! )
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 21
>>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:26:12 -0500
>>> From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CAEr4y_vxSUkwzguCsUO6EJwL3z5uDV7+GGdEiL6YXMPoB4H1jw at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Following Bud's lead,
>>>
>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
>>> Northwest Florida. I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
>>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that
>>>I
>>> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>>>profit he
>>> makes from it. He is making it pretty to sell. Catch it quick before
>>>he
>>> sinks money into it for a better deal.
>>>
>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts. Contact me off list
>>>if
>>> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>> 904.476.8744
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> Following Bud's lead,
>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
>>> Northwest Florida.A I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
>>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that
>>> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>>> profit he makes from it.A He is making it pretty to sell.A Catch it
>>> quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.
>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.A Contact me off
>>>list
>>> if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>>> Rob
>>> 904.476.8744
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 22
>>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:35:44 -0500
>>> From: "Mirril M. McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>> Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'" <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>> Message-ID: <009b01d14ef1$ff563660$fe02a320$@earthlink.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>
>>> Hmmm,
>>>
>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>>>
>>> /\/\///
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Rob
>>>Dumoulin
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
>>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>>
>>> Following Bud's lead,
>>>
>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
>>>Northwest Florida. I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
>>>transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that
>>>I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>>>profit he makes from it. He is making it pretty to sell. Catch it
>>>quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.
>>>
>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts. Contact me off list
>>>if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>> 904.476.8744
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 23
>>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:55:15 -0500
>>> From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>> To: Mirril McMullen <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
>>> Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> Not at all. Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years
>>>ago.
>>> Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff. Always got
>>> synthetic oil changes regular.
>>>
>>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
>>>engine is
>>> hot was the kicker. That and the interior is showing age.
>>>
>>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides
>>>down
>>> the road.
>>>
>>> Rob DuMoulin
>>> 904.476.8744
>>> rob at dumoulins.net
>>> www.kbsi.co
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
>>><mirrilm at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmmm,
>>>>
>>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>>>>
>>>> /\/\///
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Rob
>>>> Dumoulin
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
>>>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>>>
>>>> Following Bud's lead,
>>>>
>>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
>>>> Northwest Florida. I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
>>>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
>>>>that I
>>>> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>>>>profit he
>>>> makes from it. He is making it pretty to sell. Catch it quick
>>>>before he
>>>> sinks money into it for a better deal.
>>>>
>>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts. Contact me off
>>>>list if
>>>> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>> 904.476.8744
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> Not at all.A Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years
>>> ago. A
>>> Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.A Always got
>>> synthetic oil changes regular.
>>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
>>>engine
>>> is hot was the kicker.A That and the interior is showing age.A
>>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides
>>> down the road.
>>>
>>> Rob DuMoulin
>>> 904.476.8744
>>> [1]rob at dumoulins.net
>>> [2]www.kbsi.co
>>> [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
>>> <[4]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm,
>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>>> /\/\///
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Rob
>>> Dumoulin
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
>>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>> Following Bud's lead,
>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
>>> Northwest Florida.A I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
>>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that
>>> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>>> profit he makes from it.A He is making it pretty to sell.A Catch it
>>> quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.
>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.A Contact me off
>>>list
>>> if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>>> Rob
>>> 904.476.8744
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>>> 2. http://www.kbsi.co/
>>> 3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>> 4. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>>> 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 24
>>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:56:57 -0500
>>> From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>> To: Mirril McMullen <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
>>> Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Forgot to add....I have 6 cars. I do not need 6 cars.
>>>
>>> Rob DuMoulin
>>> 904.476.8744
>>> rob at dumoulins.net
>>> www.kbsi.co
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not at all. Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years
>>>>ago.
>>>> Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff. Always got
>>>> synthetic oil changes regular.
>>>>
>>>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
>>>>engine is
>>>> hot was the kicker. That and the interior is showing age.
>>>>
>>>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides
>>>>down
>>>> the road.
>>>>
>>>> Rob DuMoulin
>>>> 904.476.8744
>>>> rob at dumoulins.net
>>>> www.kbsi.co
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen <
>>>> mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm,
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>>>>>
>>>>> /\/\///
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Rob
>>>>> Dumoulin
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
>>>>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>>>>
>>>>> Following Bud's lead,
>>>>>
>>>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
>>>>> Northwest Florida. I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
>>>>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
>>>>>that I
>>>>> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>>>>>profit he
>>>>> makes from it. He is making it pretty to sell. Catch it quick
>>>>>before he
>>>>> sinks money into it for a better deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts. Contact me off
>>>>>list if
>>>>> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>> 904.476.8744
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> Forgot to add....I have 6 cars.A I do not need 6 cars.
>>>
>>> Rob DuMoulin
>>> 904.476.8744
>>> [1]rob at dumoulins.net
>>> [2]www.kbsi.co
>>> [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[4]rob at dumoulins.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not at all.A Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years
>>> ago. A
>>> Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.A Always got
>>> synthetic oil changes regular.
>>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
>>>engine
>>> is hot was the kicker.A That and the interior is showing age.A
>>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides
>>> down the road.
>>>
>>> Rob DuMoulin
>>> [5]904.476.8744
>>> [6]rob at dumoulins.net
>>> [7]www.kbsi.co
>>> [8]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
>>> <[9]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm,
>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>>> /\/\///
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Rob
>>> Dumoulin
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
>>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>> Following Bud's lead,
>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
>>> Northwest Florida.A I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
>>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that
>>> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>>> profit he makes from it.A He is making it pretty to sell.A Catch it
>>> quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.
>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.A Contact me off
>>>list
>>> if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>>> Rob
>>> [11]904.476.8744
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>>> 2. http://www.kbsi.co/
>>> 3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>> 4. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>>> 5. tel:904.476.8744
>>> 6. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>>> 7. http://www.kbsi.co/
>>> 8. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>> 9. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>>> 10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>> 11. tel:904.476.8744
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 25
>>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:08:58 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>, <gaino at earthlink.net>,
>>> Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
>>> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <819779826.4191306.1452794938797.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, gaino at earthlink.net
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>>>
>>> ???Whilst `inelegant',
>>> at least the stock system works well.? I installed
>>> ???Wildwoods on the front of the discs and
>>> kept the originals on the
>>> ???back.? I did have the originals
>>> coated black - heck, doesn't look that
>>> ???bad.
>>>
>>>
>>> ???Stephen Nelson
>>>
>>>
>>> ???-----Original Message-----
>>> ???From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Tomas
>>> ???Gunnarsson
>>> ???Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
>>> ???To: gaino at earthlink.net
>>> ???Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> ???Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>> ???That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't
>>> work as an emergency brake
>>> ???and parking brake function is dubious. If
>>> you park your car with the
>>> ???brakes hot they may release when they cool
>>> off.
>>>
>>> ???Tomas
>>>
>>>
>>> ???<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>> ???From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
>>>
>>> ???Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>>>
>>> ???To: [1]detomaso at poca.com
>>>
>>> ???Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>>
>>>
>>> ???Is anybody using a solinoid based parking
>>> brake? Something that that
>>> ???blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold
>>> calipers pressed against the
>>> ???rotors. My customer does not want the
>>> extra set of E brake calipers..
>>>
>>> ???like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>s&
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>>>
>>> ???=ts
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