[DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
Tom Shinrock
tmshinro at aol.com
Sat Feb 27 09:20:27 EST 2016
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Tom (never been to Vegas) - Iowa
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
To: 'Rob Dumoulin' <rob at dumoulins.net>; 'James coyne' <tecnosound at hotmail.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 27, 2016 7:55 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
<< hey, it's legal there>>
Just to keep the facts in line. Prostitution is illegal under state law in
Clark County, which contains Las Vegas. Too many people live there.
Larry (just the facts) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 5:38 PM
To: James coyne
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
I really do not understand the issue. This should not be about Chuck vs.
POCA. This should be about what is best for the marque. Chuck has and is
doing a wonderful and financially thankless service for the marque. There
is nothing short of praise and/or lots of cash to make up for it. I cannot
speak for you, Chuck, but this could be a welcomed burden lifted even
though I am confident this is not considered a burden to you, but a
passion. If I could buy you a drink, hooker in Vegas (hey, it's legal
there), or whatever I could to show appreciation when I get a chance to
meet you in person, I would.
But I see both sides.
If something, God forbid, would happen to Chuck or his registry, or if
Chuck decides he now wants to change his passion to collecting hummels of
Italian street peasants instead, we would have to start over. It makes
sense for the marque to carry this burden.
Flipside
Without Chuck's help or persuasion, we lack the non-POCA cars in the
registry.
Is there not some way to do this together? Look, I've personally been in
this situation professional before. I conceived, designed, built, and
supported software that quickly was used all over the world. The first 3
years, I was the only support and took calls from Australia at 2 AM Monday
morning when I was supposed to be on a plane at 6 AM to travel for work. It
was the hardest thing to turn over support for my 'baby' to an Indian team,
but I did because it was really the best way to keep it growing and me
sleeping at night. This should be bigger than us. It's hard, but we need
to look at a big picture.
Rob DuMoulin
904.476.8744
rob at dumoulins.net
www.kbsi.co
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 1:58 PM, James coyne <tecnosound at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well stated Julian .
> From: julian_kift at hotmail.com
> To: michaelsavga at gmail.com; cengles at cox.net
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 16:25:53 +0000
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
> CC: detomaso at poca.com; garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
> Well I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate his
> registr
> y with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to his stance given that
> he's put
> years of hard work, long hours and money into something that no one else
> wanted
> to take on for the longest time. He also provides free access to that
> registry f
> or the simple task of a submission, a tactic which has allowed him to
> amass well
> over 4,000 entries. POCA has what, less than 1,000 members to enter their
> detai
> ls? I think it will be some time before you can categorically state that
> 'yours'
> will be better, and as you state it "will be for the other registry
> members use
> only" that predicates a POCA membership, thus to say it is not for
> monetary gai
> n is a contradiction in terms.
>
>
> The Shelby American Automobile Club is licensed from Carrol Shelby, they
> don't t
> heoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it all straightened
> out.
> We are lucky that Santiago De Tomaso or whoever owns the De Tomaso marque
> never
> chooses to get involved!
>
>
> I respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and it hasn't
> seen t
> hat need for the past 45 years. If your vision is truly to break down
> divisions
> within the marque then you I recommend you embrace what Chuck and others
> before
> him have achieved and not be bickering over who owns what and is bigger
> and bett
> er. The Provamo registry is currently THE foremost collection of Pantera
> informa
> tion anywhere, period and should be recognized as such.
>
>
> Don't forget this is an open forum not POCA, if you want the forum that
> 'needed'
> to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last post was 3 months
> ago...
> .. so I will continue to us my time how I see fit to voice my opinions,
> even if
> I am the 1% minority, when everyone conforms it is no longer a democracy.
>
>
> Julian
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AM
> To: Charles Engles
> Cc: Julian Kift; detomaso at poca.com; Garth Rodericks
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>
> Chuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or integrate his
> with o
> urs.
>
> Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information ( if you
> choose
> to upload yours )
>
> The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we are all
> dead,
>
> Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.
>
> It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for the
> other regi
> stry members to use only.
>
> Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone would
> use th
> eir time
>
> to improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go
better.
>
> I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to use,
> it prob
> ably won't be changed
>
> for two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s) out
> would hav
> e to do it again, 2) the expense
>
> of making those changes. I am not going to punish those who comply and
> contribu
> te, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Shortt
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM, <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>>
> wrote
> :
> Dear Julian: Precisely. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>
> You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition work,
> just sayi
> ng....
>
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso
<detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>>
> on
> behalf of marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net<mailto:
> marshallgsmith at sbc
> global.net>>
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
> To: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth Rodericks
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>
> You could add Pushbutton!
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 2/25/16, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:
> detomaso
> @poca.com>> wrote:
>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
> To: "DeTomaso Mail List" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM
>
> For all the
> categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and
> add the ability to denote stock and
> modified. A simple checkbox for
> "Modified" in each area could allow owners
> to enter the car's original
> configuration as well as the current
> configuration, such as in the
> example of a car that has since been
> winged and flared and listed as a
> Gr4. Just a thought
> Year
> -->Model:
> --> pre-L
> --> L
> --> GTS
> --> Gr4
> --> Gr5
> --> GT5S
> --> etc.
> Cheers!
> Garth
>
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and how did you learn these "facts"? Personal research?
Tom (never been to Vegas) - Iowa
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
To: 'Rob Dumoulin' <rob at dumoulins.net>; 'James coyne'
<tecnosound at hotmail.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 27, 2016 7:55 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
<< hey, it's legal there>>
Just to keep the facts in line. Prostitution is illegal under state law
in
Clark County, which contains Las Vegas. Too many people live there.
Larry (just the facts) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Dumoulin
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 5:38 PM
To: James coyne
Cc: [2]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
I really do not understand the issue. This should not be about Chuck
vs.
POCA. This should be about what is best for the marque. Chuck has and
is
doing a wonderful and financially thankless service for the marque.
There
is nothing short of praise and/or lots of cash to make up for it. I
cannot
speak for you, Chuck, but this could be a welcomed burden lifted even
though I am confident this is not considered a burden to you, but a
passion. If I could buy you a drink, hooker in Vegas (hey, it's legal
there), or whatever I could to show appreciation when I get a chance to
meet you in person, I would.
But I see both sides.
If something, God forbid, would happen to Chuck or his registry, or if
Chuck decides he now wants to change his passion to collecting hummels
of
Italian street peasants instead, we would have to start over. It makes
sense for the marque to carry this burden.
Flipside
Without Chuck's help or persuasion, we lack the non-POCA cars in the
registry.
Is there not some way to do this together? Look, I've personally been
in
this situation professional before. I conceived, designed, built, and
supported software that quickly was used all over the world. The first
3
years, I was the only support and took calls from Australia at 2 AM
Monday
morning when I was supposed to be on a plane at 6 AM to travel for
work. It
was the hardest thing to turn over support for my 'baby' to an Indian
team,
but I did because it was really the best way to keep it growing and me
sleeping at night. This should be bigger than us. It's hard, but we
need
to look at a big picture.
Rob DuMoulin
904.476.8744
[3]rob at dumoulins.net
[4]www.kbsi.co
[5]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 1:58 PM, James coyne
<[6]tecnosound at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well stated Julian .
> From: [7]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> To: [8]michaelsavga at gmail.com; [9]cengles at cox.net
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 16:25:53 +0000
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
> CC: [10]detomaso at poca.com; [11]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
> Well I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate
his
> registr
> y with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to his stance given
that
> he's put
> years of hard work, long hours and money into something that no one
else
> wanted
> to take on for the longest time. He also provides free access to that
> registry f
> or the simple task of a submission, a tactic which has allowed him to
> amass well
> over 4,000 entries. POCA has what, less than 1,000 members to enter
their
> detai
> ls? I think it will be some time before you can categorically state
that
> 'yours'
> will be better, and as you state it "will be for the other registry
> members use
> only" that predicates a POCA membership, thus to say it is not for
> monetary gai
> n is a contradiction in terms.
>
>
> The Shelby American Automobile Club is licensed from Carrol Shelby,
they
> don't t
> heoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it all
straightened
> out.
> We are lucky that Santiago De Tomaso or whoever owns the De Tomaso
marque
> never
> chooses to get involved!
>
>
> I respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and it
hasn't
> seen t
> hat need for the past 45 years. If your vision is truly to break down
> divisions
> within the marque then you I recommend you embrace what Chuck and
others
> before
> him have achieved and not be bickering over who owns what and is
bigger
> and bett
> er. The Provamo registry is currently THE foremost collection of
Pantera
> informa
> tion anywhere, period and should be recognized as such.
>
>
> Don't forget this is an open forum not POCA, if you want the forum
that
> 'needed'
> to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last post was 3
months
> ago...
> .. so I will continue to us my time how I see fit to voice my
opinions,
> even if
> I am the 1% minority, when everyone conforms it is no longer a
democracy.
>
>
> Julian
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael Shortt <[12]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AM
> To: Charles Engles
> Cc: Julian Kift; [13]detomaso at poca.com; Garth Rodericks
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>
> Chuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or integrate
his
> with o
> urs.
>
> Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information ( if
you
> choose
> to upload yours )
>
> The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we are
all
> dead,
>
> Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.
>
> It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for the
> other regi
> stry members to use only.
>
> Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone
would
> use th
> eir time
>
> to improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go
better.
>
> I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to
use,
> it prob
> ably won't be changed
>
> for two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s)
out
> would hav
> e to do it again, 2) the expense
>
> of making those changes. I am not going to punish those who comply
and
> contribu
> te, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Shortt
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM,
<[14]cengles at cox.net<[15]mailto:cengles at cox.net>>
> wrote
> :
> Dear Julian: Precisely. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>
> You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition
work,
> just sayi
> ng....
>
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso
<[16]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<[17]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>>
> on
> behalf of marshall smith <[18]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net<mailto:
> marshallgsmith at sbc
> global.net>>
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
> To: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth Rodericks
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>
> You could add Pushbutton!
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 2/25/16, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
<[19]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:
> detomaso
> @poca.com>> wrote:
>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
> To: "DeTomaso Mail List"
<[20]detomaso at poca.com<[21]mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM
>
> For all the
> categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and
> add the ability to denote stock and
> modified. A simple checkbox for
> "Modified" in each area could allow owners
> to enter the car's original
> configuration as well as the current
> configuration, such as in the
> example of a car that has since been
> winged and flared and listed as a
> Gr4. Just a thought
> Year
> -->Model:
> --> pre-L
> --> L
> --> GTS
> --> Gr4
> --> Gr5
> --> GT5S
> --> etc.
> Cheers!
> Garth
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8. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
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11. mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
12. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
13. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
14. mailto:cengles at cox.net
15. mailto:cengles at cox.net?
16. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
17. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com?
18. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
19. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
20. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
21. mailto:detomaso at poca.com?
22. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
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