[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 140, Issue 9
Owen Cooke
owen at tadhgcooke.com
Wed Feb 10 05:51:59 EST 2016
I dont suscribe to any of these "social" websites for two main reasons
too much invasion of privacy
too much time wasted
spend time in the workshops guys not on facebook
email and conventional web sites work just fine
owen cooke
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. PCNC Super Bowl event, was Re: POCA on Facebook (Guido deTomaso)
> 2. Re: PCNC Super Bowl event, was Re: POCA on Facebook (Stephen)
> 3. Re: PCNC Super Bowl event, was Re: POCA on Facebook
> (Charles McCall)
> 4. Re: Door Jamb ID plate replacement - who make one close to
> the original? (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 5. Re: Really Rough Pantera on Ebay at $25K (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
> 6. Re: Door Jamb ID plate replacement - who make one close to
> the original? (Don Thomas)
> 7. Re: Really Rough Pantera on Ebay at $25K (Joe Stockett)
> 8. Re: Really Rough Pantera on Ebay at $25K (Ed Mendez)
> 9. Vegas Pantera Track Event Cancelled (rcbsons1 at aol.com)
> 10. Re: Vegas Pantera Track Event Cancelled (davel at emspace.com)
> 11. Re: Vegas Pantera Track Event Cancelled (Effie Richards)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 19:13:17 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Guido deTomaso <guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>
> To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] PCNC Super Bowl event, was Re: POCA on Facebook
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> I'm amused by the hostility here toward FB, especially from the "must update the Pantera with every electronic / computer gizmo that comes down the pike" crowd.
> It's true I still meet people who won't do e-mail, LinkedIn, craigslist, eBay, PayPal, FB, text, YouTube,?Twitter?... many today won't even click on a link to a photo album.? But arguing against such things, I say you're isolating yourself, not making use of modern, handy tools.
> One thing I'm slowly figuring out, the difference between a FB "group" and a "page".? In particular, I cannot upload photos from my phone to any page, but I can to a group.? I also cannot by any means upload more than one photo to a page, but can upload multiple photos to a group.
> So ... Sunday while I would have preferred to upload some photos from my phone to the PCNC FB page only, I could not.? However, I was able to post multiple photos the national group?right from my phone.? Just sayin'.
> The bold among you can find my photo album from yesterday here:
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1149327171767514.1073742139.100000707259570&type=1&l=e7023d1b2c
> "If it ain't on FB, it didn't happen"
> Thanks,
> GD
>
>
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>
> Don't get me wrong, I think Ed's done a great job of getting POCA into
> the facebook generation; I just think there is a limit here and huge
> potential for diminishing returns.? By recommending everybody have one
> and each Chapter have one, I think it dilutes things, but then again,
> I'm an Introvert by nature and don't think facebook is actually a good
> thing at all.
>
> How many kids have committed suicide because they were bullied on facebook?
> How many kids have lost jobs because of posts where they should have
> kept their mouth shut, or a photo they should never got themselves into
> a position to have taken.
> How many people have lost marriages for similar reasons?
> How many of you have heard about the Dad, who used to look at porn
> occasionally until he stumbled on porn of his -daughter- one day??
> (sorry, that in itself doesn't have a huge connection to facebook).
>
> facebook like other things needs to be done in moderation; just a little
> dab will do you.? Too many kids end up relying on it to boost their own
> morale and their self-esteem, and then when they do something stupid
> they can't take the shaming.? How many adults fall into this problem?
>
> I think too many parents aren't watching what their kids are doing; the
> parents are the ones who should boost kids self-esteem and help pick
> them up when they've done something stupid.? Too many facebook friends
> aren't even acquaintances and yet some kinds rely on their every word to
> stay alive.
>
> Sorry for devolving this, but I tend to get a little pissy when people
> try to "pressure" me into getting on facebook, or twitter, or
> instragram, etc. when I see hardly any purpose.
>
> I've got a facebook page and I typically visit it about once every six
> months.? I don't really need it.
>
> Asa? Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &? Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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>
> On 2/1/2016 5:03 PM, Larry Stock wrote:
>> You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
>> is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
>> noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
>> another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
>> communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
>> keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
>> know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need
>> to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed
>> credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
>> passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
>> Larry Stock
>>
>> On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com>? wrote:
>>
>>> ? ? The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>>> ? ? meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>>> ? ? joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>>> ? ? new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>>> ? ? would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>>> ? ? correlation to analyze.
>>> ? ? Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>>> ? ? something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>>> ? ? connection.A
>>> ? ? So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>>> ? ? entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>>> ? ? Jeff
>>> ? ? 6559
>>>
>>> ? ? On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>>> ? ? <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>? wrote:
>>>
>>> ? ? ? There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>>> ? ? ? scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>>> ? ? ? I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>>> ? ? ? notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>>> ? ? ? comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>>> ? ? ? inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>>> ? ? ? And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>>> ? ? ? causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>>> ? ? ? on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>>> ? ? ? worth millions if that's the case.
>>> ? ? ? In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>>> ? ? ? posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>>> ? ? ? photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>>> ? ? ? due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>>> ? ? ? And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>>> ? ? ? any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>>> ? ? ? up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>>> ? ? ? Julian
>>> ? ? ? ________________________________________
>>> ? ? ? From: DeTomaso<[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>? on behalf of Ed Mendez
>>> ? ? ? <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>>> ? ? ? Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>>> ? ? ? To: Charles McCall
>>> ? ? ? Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>>> ? ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>>> ? ? ? I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>>> ? ? ? I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>>> ? ? ? Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>>> ? ? ? hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>>> ? ? ? daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>>> ? ? ? several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>>> ? ? ? page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>>> ? ? ? limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>>> ? ? ? ever pages you want to.
>>> ? ? ? I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>>> ? ? ? Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>>> ? ? ? recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>>> ? ? ? It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>>> ? ? ? I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>>> ? ? ? Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>>> ? ? ? The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>>> ? ? ? and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>>> ? ? ? this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>>> ? ? ? get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>>> ? ? ? chapters)
>>> ? ? ? So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>>> ? ? ? pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>>> ? ? ? not to cross post so much. ;-)
>>> ? ? ? Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>>> ? ? ? love this car.
>>> ? ? ? We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>>> ? ? ? @pocausa
>>> ? ? ? Ed
>>> ? ? ? Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>> ? ? ? >? On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>>> ? ? ? <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>? wrote:
>>> ? ? ? >
>>> ? ? ? >? Ed,
>>> ? ? ? >? Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>>> ? ? ? communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>>> ? ? ? coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>>> ? ? ? fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>>> ? ? ? sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>>> ? ? ? pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>>> ? ? ? half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>>> ? ? ? only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>> ? ? ? >
>>> ? ? ? >? It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>>> ? ? ? belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>>> ? ? ? all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>>> ? ? ? into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>> ? ? ? >
>>> ? ? ? >? What do you think?
>>> ? ? ? >
>>> ? ? ? >>? On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez<[6]edducati at mac.com>
>>> ? ? ? wrote:
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>>> ? ? ? every chapter
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? of POCA.
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>>> ? ? ? don't
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? already have one, because your missing out on some really
>>> ? ? ? good Pantera
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? stuff...
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? I have made all these pages so far:
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? POCA Main FB page
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A
>>> ? ? ? [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? SDP FB Page
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A
>>> ? ? ? [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>>> ? ? ? 626227
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? 6?ref=hl
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? AZ Panteras
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? POCA Main Group Page
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A
>>> ? ? ? [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? POCA Fun Rally Page
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? and here is my personal page:
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Other pages:
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Panteras Northwest
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? NY Panteras
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Jersey Panteras
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Strada Pantera
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Friends
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Registry
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A
>>> ? ? ? [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Club of France
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A
>>> ? ? ? [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>>> ? ? ? Japanese
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? And many many more.
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>>> ? ? ? There are
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>>> ? ? ? sites now.
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>>> ? ? ? of the
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? forums and websites. TRUE.
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Like this one:
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>>> ? ? ? wanted to know
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? and didn't know about the 351C!
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>>> ? ? ? to all of
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? this great stuff!!
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? This is the future of our great club!
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>>> ? ? ? Rally in San
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Diego.
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Enjoy!
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Ed Mendez
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>? References
>>> ? ? ? >>
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? 1.
>>> ? ? ? [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? 3.
>>> ? ? ? [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>>> ? ? ? 62276?ref=hl
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? 6.
>>> ? ? ? [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A? 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 17.
>>> ? ? ? [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 18.
>>> ? ? ? [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> ? ? ? >>A? A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> ? ? ? >>
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>>> References
>>>
>>> ? ? 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>>> ? ? 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>> ? ? 3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>> ? ? 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>> ? ? 5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>> ? ? 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>> ? ? 7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> ? ? 8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> ? ? 9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>>> ? 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> ? 11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> ? 12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> ? 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> ? 14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> ? 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> ? 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> ? 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> ? 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> ? 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> ? 20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> ? 21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> ? 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> ? 23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> ? 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> ? 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> ? 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> ? 27. http://351c.net/
>>> ? 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> ? 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> ? 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> ? 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> ? 32.
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
>>> hl
>>> ? 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> ? 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> ? 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> ? 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> ? 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> ? 38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> ? 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> ? 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> ? 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> ? 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> ? 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> ? 44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> ? 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> ? 46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> ? 47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> ? 48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> ? 49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> ? 50. http://351c.net/
>>> ? 51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> ? 52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> ? 53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> I'm amused by the hostility here toward FB, especially from the "must
> update the Pantera with every electronic / computer gizmo that comes
> down the pike" crowd.
> It's true I still meet people who won't do e-mail, LinkedIn,
> craigslist, eBay, PayPal, FB, text, YouTube, Twitter ... many today
> won't even click on a link to a photo album. But arguing against such
> things, I say you're isolating yourself, not making use of modern,
> handy tools.
> One thing I'm slowly figuring out, the difference between a FB "group"
> and a "page". In particular, I cannot upload photos from my phone to
> any page, but I can to a group. I also cannot by any means upload more
> than one photo to a page, but can upload multiple photos to a group.
> So ... Sunday while I would have preferred to upload some photos from
> my phone to the PCNC FB page only, I could not. However, I was able to
> post multiple photos the national group right from my phone. Just
> sayin'.
> The bold among you can find my photo album from yesterday here:
> [1]https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1149327171767514.107374213
> 9.100000707259570&type=1&l=e7023d1b2c
> "If it ain't on FB, it didn't happen"
> Thanks,
> GD
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
> Don't get me wrong, I think Ed's done a great job of getting POCA into
> the facebook generation; I just think there is a limit here and huge
> potential for diminishing returns. By recommending everybody have one
> and each Chapter have one, I think it dilutes things, but then again,
> I'm an Introvert by nature and don't think facebook is actually a good
> thing at all.
> How many kids have committed suicide because they were bullied on
> facebook?
> How many kids have lost jobs because of posts where they should have
> kept their mouth shut, or a photo they should never got themselves into
> a position to have taken.
> How many people have lost marriages for similar reasons?
> How many of you have heard about the Dad, who used to look at porn
> occasionally until he stumbled on porn of his -daughter- one day?
> (sorry, that in itself doesn't have a huge connection to facebook).
> facebook like other things needs to be done in moderation; just a
> little
> dab will do you. Too many kids end up relying on it to boost their own
> morale and their self-esteem, and then when they do something stupid
> they can't take the shaming. How many adults fall into this problem?
> I think too many parents aren't watching what their kids are doing; the
> parents are the ones who should boost kids self-esteem and help pick
> them up when they've done something stupid. Too many facebook friends
> aren't even acquaintances and yet some kinds rely on their every word
> to
> stay alive.
> Sorry for devolving this, but I tend to get a little pissy when people
> try to "pressure" me into getting on facebook, or twitter, or
> instragram, etc. when I see hardly any purpose.
> I've got a facebook page and I typically visit it about once every six
> months. I don't really need it.
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [2]http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
> [3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> [4]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> On 2/1/2016 5:03 PM, Larry Stock wrote:
> > You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here.
> Facebook
> > is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez
> has
> > noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram,
> for
> > another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
> > communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology
> just
> > keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and
> who
> > know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we
> need
> > to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least
> give Ed
> > credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share
> our
> > passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a
> magazine.
> > Larry Stock
> >
> > On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
> > <[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of [6]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple
> and
> >> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
> >> joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook
> gets a
> >> new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second
> metric
> >> would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
> >> correlation to analyze.
> >> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to
> sell
> >> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
> >> connection.A
> >> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
> >> entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
> >> Jeff
> >> 6559
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
> >> <[1][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook
> a) be
> >> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
> >> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
> >> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then
> someone
> >> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like
> living
> >> inside an Alzheimer's dream!
> >> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption
> correlation =
> >> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of
> Panteras
> >> on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog
> would be
> >> worth millions if that's the case.
> >> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other
> FB
> >> posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption
> on a
> >> photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without
> any
> >> due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
> >> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something
> on
> >> any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already
> fed
> >> up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
> >> Julian
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: DeTomaso<[2][8]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of
> Ed Mendez
> >> <[3][9]edducati at mac.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
> >> To: Charles McCall
> >> Cc: [4][10]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego
> Panteras
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
> >> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault.
> :-)
> >> I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been
> told.
> >> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot
> of
> >> hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of
> posts
> >> daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done
> across
> >> several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your
> own
> >> page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You
> can
> >> limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to
> which
> >> ever pages you want to.
> >> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
> >> Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
> >> recognition to our cars and has increased value.
> >> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together.
> Heck
> >> I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
> >> Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
> >> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't
> already
> >> and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB
> page,
> >> this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line -
> grow and
> >> get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
> >> chapters)
> >> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups
> and
> >> pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll
> try
> >> not to cross post so much. ;-)
> >> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all
> that
> >> love this car.
> >> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
> >> @pocausa
> >> Ed
> >> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> >> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
> >> <[5][11]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Ed,
> >> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
> >> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
> >> coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have
> a
> >> fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to
> make
> >> sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a
> half-dozen
> >> pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message
> a
> >> half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it
> will
> >> only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
> >> >
> >> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people
> would
> >> belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to
> them
> >> all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso
> world
> >> into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
> >> >
> >> > What do you think?
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed
> Mendez<[6][12]edducati at mac.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison
> for
> >> every chapter
> >> >>A A of POCA.
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if
> you
> >> don't
> >> >>A A already have one, because your missing out on some
> really
> >> good Pantera
> >> >>A A stuff...
> >> >>
> >> >>A A I have made all these pages so far:
> >> >>
> >> >>A A POCA Main FB page
> >> >>
> >> >>A A
> >>
> [1][7][13]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >> >>
> >> >>A A SDP FB Page
> >> >>
> >> >>A A
> [2][8][14]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
> >> >>
> >> >>A A
> >>
> [3][9][15]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065
> 0
> >> 626227
> >> >>A A 6?ref=hl
> >> >>
> >> >>A A AZ Panteras
> >> >>
> >> >>A A [4][10][16]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
> >> >>
> >> >>A A [5][11][17]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >> >>
> >> >>A A POCA Main Group Page
> >> >>
> >> >>A A
> >>
> [6][12][18]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >> >>
> >> >>A A POCA Fun Rally Page
> >> >>
> >> >>A A
> [7][13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >> >>
> >> >>A A and here is my personal page:
> >> >>
> >> >>A A [8][14][20]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >> >>
> >> >>A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every
> chapter.
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Other pages:
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
> >> >>
> >> >>A A
> [9][15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Panteras Northwest
> >> >>
> >> >>A A [10][16][22]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >> >>
> >> >>A A NY Panteras
> >> >>
> >> >>A A [11][17][23]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Jersey Panteras
> >> >>
> >> >>A A [12][18][24]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >> >>
> >> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
> >> >>
> >> >>A A
> [13][19][25]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >> >>
> >> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
> >> >>
> >> >>A A
> [14][20][26]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Strada Pantera
> >> >>
> >> >>A A
> [15][21][27]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >> >>
> >> >>A A DeTomaso Friends
> >> >>
> >> >>A A
> [16][22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >> >>
> >> >>A A DeTomaso Registry
> >> >>
> >> >>A A
> >>
> [17][23][29]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/4322251292
> 6
> >> >>
> >> >>A A DeTomaso Club of France
> >> >>
> >> >>A A
> >>
> [18][24][30]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >> >>
> >> >>A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
> >> >>
> >> >>A A [19][25][31]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what
> our
> >> Japanese
> >> >>A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
> >> >>
> >> >>A A [20][26][32]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >> >>
> >> >>A A And many many more.
> >> >>
> >> >>A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some
> before.
> >> There are
> >> >>A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc
> related
> >> sites now.
> >> >>A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions
> instead
> >> of the
> >> >>A A forums and websites. TRUE.
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Like this one:
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you
> ever
> >> wanted to know
> >> >>A A and didn't know about the 351C!
> >> >>
> >> >>A A
> [22][28][33]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have
> access
> >> to all of
> >> >>A A this great stuff!!
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
> >> >>
> >> >>A A This is the future of our great club!
> >> >>
> >> >>A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
> >> Rally in San
> >> >>A A Diego.
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Enjoy!
> >> >>
> >> >>A A [23][29][34]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Ed Mendez
> >> >>
> >> >>A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> >> >>
> >> >> References
> >> >>
> >> >>A A 1.
> >>
> [30][35]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >> >>A A 2.
> [31][36]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >> >>A A 3.
> >>
> [32][37]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506
> 2
> >> 62276?ref=hl
> >> >>A A 4. [33][38]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >> >>A A 5. [34][39]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >> >>A A 6.
> >>
> [35][40]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >> >>A A 7.
> [36][41]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >> >>A A 8. [37][42]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >> >>A A 9.
> [38][43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >> >>A A 10. [39][44]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >> >>A A 11.
> panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >> >>A A 12. [41][45]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >> >>A A 13.
> [42][46]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >> >>A A 14.
> [43][47]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >> >>A A 15.
> [44][48]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >> >>A A 16.
> [45][49]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >> >>A A 17.
> >>
> [46][50]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >> >>A A 18.
> >>
> [47][51]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >> >>A A 19. [48][52]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >> >>A A 20. [49][53]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >> >>A A 21. [50][54]http://351c.net/
> >> >>A A 22.
> [51][55]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >> >>A A 23. [52][56]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >> >>
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> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. mailto:[61]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> >> 2. mailto:[62]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >> 3. mailto:[63]edducati at mac.com
> >> 4. mailto:[64]detomaso at poca.com
> >> 5. mailto:[65]charlesmccall at gmail.com
> >> 6. mailto:[66]edducati at mac.com
> >> 7. [67]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >> 8. [68]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >> 9.
> [69]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062622
> 7
> >> 10. [70]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >> 11. [71]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >> 12. [72]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >> 13. [73]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >> 14. [74]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >> 15. [75]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >> 16. [76]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >> 17. [77]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >> 18. [78]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >> 19. [79]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >> 20. [80]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >> 21. [81]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >> 22. [82]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >> 23.
> [83]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >> 24. [84]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >> 25. [85]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >> 26. [86]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >> 27. [87]http://351c.net/
> >> 28. [88]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >> 29. [89]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >> 30. [90]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >> 31. [91]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >> 32.
> >>
> [92]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062622
> 76?ref=
> >> hl
> >> 33. [93]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >> 34. [94]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >> 35. [95]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >> 36. [96]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >> 37. [97]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >> 38. [98]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >> 39. [99]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >> 40. [100]http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >> 41. [101]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >> 42. [102]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >> 43. [103]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >> 44. [104]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >> 45. [105]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >> 46.
> [106]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >> 47.
> [107]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >> 48. [108]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >> 49. [109]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >> 50. [110]http://351c.net/
> >> 51. [111]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >> 52. [112]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >> 53. mailto:[113]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 54. [114]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >> 55. mailto:[115]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 56. [116]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> 3. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> 59. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> 121. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 122. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 11:18:06 -0800
> From: "Stephen" <steve at snclocks.com>
> To: "'Guido deTomaso'" <guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>,
> <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] PCNC Super Bowl event, was Re: POCA on
> Facebook
> Message-ID: <004b01d162a5$70a2d320$51e87960$@snclocks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Great batch of photo's - where ever it was they were posted.
>
> Stephen Nelson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Guido deTomaso
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 11:13 AM
> To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] PCNC Super Bowl event, was Re: POCA on Facebook
>
>
> I'm amused by the hostility here toward FB, especially from the "must update the Pantera with every electronic / computer gizmo that comes down the pike" crowd.
> It's true I still meet people who won't do e-mail, LinkedIn, craigslist, eBay, PayPal, FB, text, YouTube, Twitter ... many today won't even click on a link to a photo album. But arguing against such things, I say you're isolating yourself, not making use of modern, handy tools.
> One thing I'm slowly figuring out, the difference between a FB "group" and a "page". In particular, I cannot upload photos from my phone to any page, but I can to a group. I also cannot by any means upload more than one photo to a page, but can upload multiple photos to a group.
> So ... Sunday while I would have preferred to upload some photos from my phone to the PCNC FB page only, I could not. However, I was able to post multiple photos the national group right from my phone. Just sayin'.
> The bold among you can find my photo album from yesterday here:
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1149327171767514.1073742139.100000707259570&type=1&l=e7023d1b2c
> "If it ain't on FB, it didn't happen"
> Thanks,
> GD
>
>
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>
> Don't get me wrong, I think Ed's done a great job of getting POCA into the facebook generation; I just think there is a limit here and huge potential for diminishing returns. By recommending everybody have one and each Chapter have one, I think it dilutes things, but then again, I'm an Introvert by nature and don't think facebook is actually a good thing at all.
>
> How many kids have committed suicide because they were bullied on facebook?
> How many kids have lost jobs because of posts where they should have kept their mouth shut, or a photo they should never got themselves into a position to have taken.
> How many people have lost marriages for similar reasons?
> How many of you have heard about the Dad, who used to look at porn occasionally until he stumbled on porn of his -daughter- one day? (sorry, that in itself doesn't have a huge connection to facebook).
>
> facebook like other things needs to be done in moderation; just a little dab will do you. Too many kids end up relying on it to boost their own morale and their self-esteem, and then when they do something stupid they can't take the shaming. How many adults fall into this problem?
>
> I think too many parents aren't watching what their kids are doing; the parents are the ones who should boost kids self-esteem and help pick them up when they've done something stupid. Too many facebook friends aren't even acquaintances and yet some kinds rely on their every word to stay alive.
>
> Sorry for devolving this, but I tend to get a little pissy when people try to "pressure" me into getting on facebook, or twitter, or instragram, etc. when I see hardly any purpose.
>
> I've got a facebook page and I typically visit it about once every six months. I don't really need it.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 2/1/2016 5:03 PM, Larry Stock wrote:
>> You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here.
>> Facebook is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed
>> Mendez has noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is
>> instagram, for another Younger demographic. These are all just younger
>> modes of communication just like our old rotary phones used to be,
>> technology just keeps marching on. So there are now web pages,
>> Facebook pages, and who know what will be next. If we want to appeal
>> to a younger market, we need to be available on these newer
>> communication modes. Lets at least give Ed credit for putting us out
>> there if some younger folks want to share our passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
>> Larry Stock
>>
>> On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple
>>> and
>>> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>>> joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook
>>> gets a
>>> new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second
>>> metric
>>> would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>>> correlation to analyze.
>>> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to
>>> sell
>>> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>>> connection.A
>>> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>>> entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>>> Jeff
>>> 6559
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>>> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook
>>> a) be
>>> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>>> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>>> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then
>>> someone
>>> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like
>>> living
>>> inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>>> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption
>>> correlation =
>>> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of
>>> Panteras
>>> on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog
>>> would be
>>> worth millions if that's the case.
>>> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other
>>> FB
>>> posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption
>>> on a
>>> photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without
>>> any
>>> due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>>> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something
>>> on
>>> any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already
>>> fed
>>> up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>>> Julian
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: DeTomaso<[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed
>>> Mendez
>>> <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>>> To: Charles McCall
>>> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego
>>> Panteras
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>>> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault.
>>> :-)
>>> I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>>> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot
>>> of
>>> hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of
>>> posts
>>> daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>>> several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your
>>> own
>>> page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You
>>> can
>>> limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>>> ever pages you want to.
>>> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>>> Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>>> recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>>> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together.
>>> Heck
>>> I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>>> Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>>> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't
>>> already
>>> and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB
>>> page,
>>> this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow
>>> and
>>> get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>>> chapters)
>>> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups
>>> and
>>> pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll
>>> try
>>> not to cross post so much. ;-)
>>> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all
>>> that
>>> love this car.
>>> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>>> @pocausa
>>> Ed
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>>> <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Ed,
>>> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>>> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>>> coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>>> fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to
>>> make
>>> sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a
>>> half-dozen
>>> pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message
>>> a
>>> half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it
>>> will
>>> only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>> >
>>> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people
>>> would
>>> belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to
>>> them
>>> all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>>> into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>> >
>>> > What do you think?
>>> >
>>> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed
>>> Mendez<[6]edducati at mac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison
>>> for
>>> every chapter
>>> >>A A of POCA.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if
>>> you
>>> don't
>>> >>A A already have one, because your missing out on some
>>> really
>>> good Pantera
>>> >>A A stuff...
>>> >>
>>> >>A A I have made all these pages so far:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A POCA Main FB page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A SDP FB Page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>>
>>> [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>>> 626227
>>> >>A A 6?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A AZ Panteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A POCA Main Group Page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>>
>>> [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A POCA Fun Rally Page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A and here is my personal page:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> >>
>>> >>A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Other pages:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Panteras Northwest
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> >>
>>> >>A A NY Panteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Jersey Panteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Strada Pantera
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Friends
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Registry
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>>
>>> [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Club of France
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>>
>>> [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what
>>> our
>>> Japanese
>>> >>A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> >>
>>> >>A A And many many more.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>>> There are
>>> >>A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc
>>> related
>>> sites now.
>>> >>A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions
>>> instead
>>> of the
>>> >>A A forums and websites. TRUE.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Like this one:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you
>>> ever
>>> wanted to know
>>> >>A A and didn't know about the 351C!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have
>>> access
>>> to all of
>>> >>A A this great stuff!!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A This is the future of our great club!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>>> Rally in San
>>> >>A A Diego.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Enjoy!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Ed Mendez
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>> >>
>>> >> References
>>> >>
>>> >>A A 1.
>>> [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 3.
>>>
>>> [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>>> 62276?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 6.
>>> [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> >>A A 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> >>A A 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> >>A A 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> >>A A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> >>A A 11.
>>> panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> >>A A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> >>A A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> >>A A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> >>A A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> >>A A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> >>A A 17.
>>> [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> >>A A 18.
>>> [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> >>A A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> >>A A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> >>A A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>> >>A A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> >>A A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> >>
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>>> 7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> 8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> 9.
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>>> 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
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>>> 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
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>>> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
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>>> 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> 27. http://351c.net/
>>> 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> 32.
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?
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>>> hl
>>> 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> 38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
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>>> 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
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>>> 47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> 48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> 49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> 50. http://351c.net/
>>> 51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 20:23:08 +0100
> From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> To: "'Guido deTomaso'" <guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>, "'Asa Jay
> Laughton'" <asajay at asajay.com>, <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] PCNC Super Bowl event, was Re: POCA on
> Facebook
> Message-ID: <005001d162a6$24e95660$6ebc0320$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> It's got my "like"!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Guido deTomaso
> Sent: lunes, 8 de febrero de 2016 20:13
> To: Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] PCNC Super Bowl event, was Re: POCA on Facebook
>
>
> I'm amused by the hostility here toward FB, especially from the "must update the Pantera with every electronic / computer gizmo that comes down the pike" crowd.
> It's true I still meet people who won't do e-mail, LinkedIn, craigslist, eBay, PayPal, FB, text, YouTube, Twitter ... many today won't even click on a link to a photo album. But arguing against such things, I say you're isolating yourself, not making use of modern, handy tools.
> One thing I'm slowly figuring out, the difference between a FB "group" and a "page". In particular, I cannot upload photos from my phone to any page, but I can to a group. I also cannot by any means upload more than one photo to a page, but can upload multiple photos to a group.
> So ... Sunday while I would have preferred to upload some photos from my phone to the PCNC FB page only, I could not. However, I was able to post multiple photos the national group right from my phone. Just sayin'.
> The bold among you can find my photo album from yesterday here:
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1149327171767514.1073742139.100000707259570&type=1&l=e7023d1b2c
> "If it ain't on FB, it didn't happen"
> Thanks,
> GD
>
>
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>
> Don't get me wrong, I think Ed's done a great job of getting POCA into
> the facebook generation; I just think there is a limit here and huge
> potential for diminishing returns. By recommending everybody have one
> and each Chapter have one, I think it dilutes things, but then again,
> I'm an Introvert by nature and don't think facebook is actually a good
> thing at all.
>
> How many kids have committed suicide because they were bullied on facebook?
> How many kids have lost jobs because of posts where they should have
> kept their mouth shut, or a photo they should never got themselves into
> a position to have taken.
> How many people have lost marriages for similar reasons?
> How many of you have heard about the Dad, who used to look at porn
> occasionally until he stumbled on porn of his -daughter- one day?
> (sorry, that in itself doesn't have a huge connection to facebook).
>
> facebook like other things needs to be done in moderation; just a little
> dab will do you. Too many kids end up relying on it to boost their own
> morale and their self-esteem, and then when they do something stupid
> they can't take the shaming. How many adults fall into this problem?
>
> I think too many parents aren't watching what their kids are doing; the
> parents are the ones who should boost kids self-esteem and help pick
> them up when they've done something stupid. Too many facebook friends
> aren't even acquaintances and yet some kinds rely on their every word to
> stay alive.
>
> Sorry for devolving this, but I tend to get a little pissy when people
> try to "pressure" me into getting on facebook, or twitter, or
> instragram, etc. when I see hardly any purpose.
>
> I've got a facebook page and I typically visit it about once every six
> months. I don't really need it.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 2/1/2016 5:03 PM, Larry Stock wrote:
>> You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
>> is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
>> noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
>> another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
>> communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
>> keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
>> know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need
>> to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed
>> credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
>> passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
>> Larry Stock
>>
>> On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>>> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>>> joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>>> new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>>> would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>>> correlation to analyze.
>>> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>>> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>>> connection.A
>>> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>>> entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>>> Jeff
>>> 6559
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>>> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>>> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>>> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>>> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>>> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>>> inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>>> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>>> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>>> on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>>> worth millions if that's the case.
>>> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>>> posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>>> photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>>> due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>>> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>>> any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>>> up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>>> Julian
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: DeTomaso<[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
>>> <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>>> To: Charles McCall
>>> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>>> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>>> I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>>> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>>> hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>>> daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>>> several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>>> page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>>> limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>>> ever pages you want to.
>>> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>>> Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>>> recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>>> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>>> I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>>> Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>>> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>>> and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>>> this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>>> get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>>> chapters)
>>> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>>> pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>>> not to cross post so much. ;-)
>>> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>>> love this car.
>>> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>>> @pocausa
>>> Ed
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>>> <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Ed,
>>> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>>> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>>> coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>>> fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>>> sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>>> pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>>> half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>>> only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>> >
>>> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>>> belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>>> all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>>> into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>> >
>>> > What do you think?
>>> >
>>> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez<[6]edducati at mac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>>> every chapter
>>> >>A A of POCA.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>>> don't
>>> >>A A already have one, because your missing out on some really
>>> good Pantera
>>> >>A A stuff...
>>> >>
>>> >>A A I have made all these pages so far:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A POCA Main FB page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A SDP FB Page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>>> 626227
>>> >>A A 6?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A AZ Panteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A POCA Main Group Page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A POCA Fun Rally Page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A and here is my personal page:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> >>
>>> >>A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Other pages:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Panteras Northwest
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> >>
>>> >>A A NY Panteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Jersey Panteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Strada Pantera
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Friends
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Registry
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Club of France
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>>> Japanese
>>> >>A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> >>
>>> >>A A And many many more.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>>> There are
>>> >>A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>>> sites now.
>>> >>A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>>> of the
>>> >>A A forums and websites. TRUE.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Like this one:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>>> wanted to know
>>> >>A A and didn't know about the 351C!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>>> to all of
>>> >>A A this great stuff!!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A This is the future of our great club!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>>> Rally in San
>>> >>A A Diego.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Enjoy!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Ed Mendez
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>> >>
>>> >> References
>>> >>
>>> >>A A 1.
>>> [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 3.
>>> [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>>> 62276?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 6.
>>> [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> >>A A 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> >>A A 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> >>A A 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> >>A A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> >>A A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> >>A A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> >>A A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> >>A A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> >>A A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> >>A A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> >>A A 17.
>>> [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> >>A A 18.
>>> [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> >>A A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> >>A A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> >>A A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>> >>A A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> >>A A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> >>
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>>> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>> 3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>> 5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>> 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>> 7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> 8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> 9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>>> 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> 11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> 12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> 14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> 20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> 21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> 23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> 27. http://351c.net/
>>> 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> 32.
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
>>> hl
>>> 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> 38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> 44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> 46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
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> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 19:01:35 -0500
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: dtpantera at gmail.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Door Jamb ID plate replacement - who make one
> close to the original?
> Message-ID: <7a3cda.5898ca83.43ea865f at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>
> In a message dated 2/6/16 17 36 45, dtpantera at gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> I need to replace the door jamb ID plate.
>>
>> Who makes a replacement one that is close to the factory one with stamped
>> letters/ numbers ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>>>> Wilkinson sells pretty good ones, with the embossed letters/numbers.
> You should ideally have your old one in-hand to ensure you get the correct
> data, as typically the plastic tag reflects a different date (completion date)
> from the one spelled out in the VIN. In early 1972 they are seemingly the
> same, but then afterwards they drift to being a month apart and by 1974
> they were several months apart. Do you have your existing one? If not, look
> at the registry for cars near yours, to determine the likely correct date.
>
> Wilkinson's tags could easily be perfect, but they're not. The
> font/printing is a little bit off, which is only noticeable if you compare them
> side-by-side with originals.
>
> What's truly hilarious is that somebody (Mayberry I think?) was selling
> some where the word "Carrozzeria" was mispelled completely! I think it
> started with a "G" by mistake or something like that? Hilarious!
>
> Mike
> -------------- next part --------------
> In a message dated 2/6/16 17 36 45, dtpantera at gmail.com writes:
>
> I need to replace the door jamb ID plate.
> Who makes a replacement one that is close to the factory one with
> stamped
> letters/ numbers ?
> Thanks in advance.
>
> >>>Wilkinson sells pretty good ones, with the embossed
> letters/numbers. You should ideally have your old one in-hand to
> ensure you get the correct data, as typically the plastic tag reflects
> a different date (completion date) from the one spelled out in the
> VIN. In early 1972 they are seemingly the same, but then afterwards
> they drift to being a month apart and by 1974 they were several months
> apart. Do you have your existing one? If not, look at the registry
> for cars near yours, to determine the likely correct date.
> Wilkinson's tags could easily be perfect, but they're not. The
> font/printing is a little bit off, which is only noticeable if you
> compare them side-by-side with originals.
> What's truly hilarious is that somebody (Mayberry I think?) was selling
> some where the word "Carrozzeria" was mispelled completely! I think it
> started with a "G" by mistake or something like that? Hilarious!
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 21:03:26 -0500
> From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> To: <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Really Rough Pantera on Ebay at $25K
> Message-ID: <000001d162de$10f97260$32ec5720$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Anyone hear why this was "ended"
> Joe/NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike Reilly
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 22:46 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Really Rough Pantera on Ebay at $25K
>
> Wow??hard to believe?..$25K and it will probably need $100K to get right. Crazy times indeed! It?s all there though but seems like better cars are out there for what this will cost in the end. Hopefully folks bidding know what it takes to deal with rust and replacing all rubber/soft parts.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-De-Tomaso-Pantera-5-700-original-miles-/331767367856?hash=item4d3ee048b0:g:FagAAOSwFqJWrk95&vxp=mtr
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 20:53:02 -0800
> From: Don Thomas <dtpantera at gmail.com>
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Door Jamb ID plate replacement - who make one
> close to the original?
> Message-ID:
> <CADgkgMFu+E9HS9ySgRFzLc-YxJYbTFwvm3oi-5Haam7SR=3HdA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I have a picture of it in the registry... The painter that I used to paint
> the car was sniffing too many fumes and lost it... amongst other things ...
> like drip rails... How do you lose drip rails...
>
> Anywho,
>
> I also found these 2 places, but they are in the UK... and everything I've
> purchased from the UK always seems to get lost in the mail.
>
> 1. http://www.classic-plates.com/
>
> 2.http://www.vin-plate.co.uk/classic_car_plates.html
>
> Thanks for the Wilkinson tip...
>
> Cheers !
> -dt
>
>
> Best regards,
> -dt
> Don Thomas
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:01 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 2/6/16 17 36 45, dtpantera at gmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> I need to replace the door jamb ID plate.
>>
>> Who makes a replacement one that is close to the factory one with stamped
>> letters/ numbers ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>>>> Wilkinson sells pretty good ones, with the embossed letters/numbers.
>> You should ideally have your old one in-hand to ensure you get the correct
>> data, as typically the plastic tag reflects a different date (completion
>> date) from the one spelled out in the VIN. In early 1972 they are
>> seemingly the same, but then afterwards they drift to being a month apart
>> and by 1974 they were several months apart. Do you have your existing
>> one? If not, look at the registry for cars near yours, to determine the
>> likely correct date.
>>
>> Wilkinson's tags could easily be perfect, but they're not. The
>> font/printing is a little bit off, which is only noticeable if you compare
>> them side-by-side with originals.
>>
>> What's truly hilarious is that somebody (Mayberry I think?) was selling
>> some where the word "Carrozzeria" was mispelled completely! I think it
>> started with a "G" by mistake or something like that? Hilarious!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
> -------------- next part --------------
> I have a picture of it in the registry... The painter that I used to
> paint the car was sniffing too many fumes and lost it... amongst other
> things ... like drip rails... How do you lose drip rails...
> Anywho,
> I also found these 2 places, but they are in the UK... and everything
> I've purchased from the UK always seems to get lost in the mail.
> 1. [1]http://www.classic-plates.com/
> 2.[2]http://www.vin-plate.co.uk/classic_car_plates.html
> Thanks for the Wilkinson tip...
> A
> Cheers !
> -dt
>
> Best regards,
> -dt
> Don Thomas
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:01 PM, <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/6/16 17 36 45, [4]dtpantera at gmail.com writes:
> I need to replace the door jamb ID plate.
> Who makes a replacement one that is close to the factory one with
> stamped
> letters/ numbers ?
> Thanks in advance.
> >>>Wilkinson sells pretty good ones, with the embossed
> letters/numbers.A You should ideally have your old one in-hand to
> ensure you get the correct data, as typically the plastic tag
> reflects a different date (completion date) from the one spelled out
> in the VIN.A In early 1972 they are seemingly the same, but then
> afterwards they drift to being a month apart and by 1974 they were
> several months apart.A Do you have your existing one?A If not,
> look at the registry for cars near yours, to determine the likely
> correct date.
> Wilkinson's tags could easily be perfect, but they're not.A The
> font/printing is a little bit off, which is only noticeable if you
> compare them side-by-side with originals.
> What's truly hilarious is that somebody (Mayberry I think?) was
> selling some where the word "Carrozzeria" was mispelled
> completely!A I think it started with a "G" by mistake or something
> like that?A Hilarious!
> Mike
>
> References
>
> 1. http://www.classic-plates.com/
> 2. http://www.vin-plate.co.uk/classic_car_plates.html
> 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 4. mailto:dtpantera at gmail.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 21:53:27 -0700
> From: Joe Stockett <qrtlow at gmail.com>
> To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Really Rough Pantera on Ebay at $25K
> Message-ID:
> <CA++9qt_9PK0U_ne7YgiCxwUgg1=_jqkaQEOZvS5RZFndu7ePgg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Negotiations taken "Off Line" ?
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone hear why this was "ended"
>> Joe/NC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike Reilly
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 22:46 PM
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Really Rough Pantera on Ebay at $25K
>>
>> Wow??hard to believe?..$25K and it will probably need $100K to get right.
>> Crazy times indeed! It?s all there though but seems like better cars are
>> out there for what this will cost in the end. Hopefully folks bidding know
>> what it takes to deal with rust and replacing all rubber/soft parts.
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-De-Tomaso-Pantera-5-700-original-miles-/331767367856?hash=item4d3ee048b0:g:FagAAOSwFqJWrk95&vxp=mtr
>>
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> -------------- next part --------------
> Negotiations taken "Off Line" ?
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
> <[1]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone hear why this was "ended"
> Joe/NC
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> Mike Reilly
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 22:46 PM
> To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Really Rough Pantera on Ebay at $25K
> Wowa|a|hard to believea|..$25K and it will probably need $100K to
> get right.A Crazy times indeed!A A Itas all there though but seems
> like better cars are out there for what this will cost in the end.A
> Hopefully folks bidding know what it takes to deal with rust and
> replacing all rubber/soft parts.
> [4]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-De-Tomaso-Pantera-5-700-original-mil
> es-/331767367856?hash=item4d3ee048b0:g:FagAAOSwFqJWrk95&vxp=mtr
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 19:37:23 +1300
> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> To: Joe Stockett <qrtlow at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
> <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Really Rough Pantera on Ebay at $25K
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>
> Just saw the pics, poor car...
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
>> On 9/02/2016, at 17:53, Joe Stockett <qrtlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-De-Tomaso-Pantera-5-700-original-mil
>> es-/331767367856?hash=item4d3ee048b0:g:FagAAOSwFqJWrk95&vxp=mtr
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 12:14:41 -0500
> From: rcbsons1 at aol.com
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Vegas Pantera Track Event Cancelled
> Message-ID: <152c707293f-32ee-7f13 at webprd-a89.mail.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I just wanted to let everyone know that the Pantera
> Track event in Vegas is Cancelled.... we had a small
> group that wanted to participate but not enough to make
> it come even close to breaking even.... I contacted 9
> clubs in the Vegas area several times and only a few responded with
> no Participants interested... The Silver State is also running
> that weekend so we did hear a few Corvette guys that may
> have run with us were going to Eli that weekend
>
> I hope everyone can get their cars out and run them as there
> are many groups that have events coming up.. They all love
> to see a Pantera run with them
>
> Be safe
>
> Bob Benson
> -------------- next part --------------
> I just wanted to let everyone know that the Pantera
> Track event in Vegas is Cancelled.... we had a small
> group that wanted to participate but not enough to make
> it come even close to breaking even.... I contacted 9
> clubs in the Vegas area several times and only a few responded with
> no Participants interested... The Silver State is also running
> that weekend so we did hear a few Corvette guys that may
> have run with us were going to Eli that weekend
> I hope everyone can get their cars out and run them as there
> are many groups that have events coming up.. They all love
> to see a Pantera run with them
> Be safe
> Bob Benson
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 10:32:36 -0700
> From: <davel at emspace.com>
> To: rcbsons1 at aol.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Vegas Pantera Track Event Cancelled
> Message-ID:
> <20160209103236.6d536a90eb7e22eb2b4a3647a8f9362d.0045d54d88.wbe at email05.secureserver.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Thanks a load for giving it your best shot Bob!!!!
>
> All the prep I've done so far needed doing anyway.
>
> I may just come down for the drive.
>
> dave
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Vegas Pantera Track Event Cancelled
> From: bens1 via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at poca.com>
> Date: Tue, February 09, 2016 12:14 pm
> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
> I just wanted to let everyone know that the Pantera
> Track event in Vegas is Cancelled.... we had a small
> group that wanted to participate but not enough to make
> it come even close to breaking even.... I contacted 9
> clubs in the Vegas area several times and only a few responded with
> no Participants interested... The Silver State is also running
> that weekend so we did hear a few Corvette guys that may
> have run with us were going to Eli that weekend
> I hope everyone can get their cars out and run them as there
> are many groups that have events coming up.. They all love
> to see a Pantera run with them
> Be safe
> Bob Benson
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:11:01 -0800
> From: "Effie Richards" <erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
> To: <davel at emspace.com>, <rcbsons1 at aol.com>, <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Vegas Pantera Track Event Cancelled
> Message-ID: <007001d16365$3c21f480$b465dd80$@zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
>
> Thank you for your great efforts.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> davel at emspace.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:33 AM
> To: rcbsons1 at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Vegas Pantera Track Event Cancelled
>
> Thanks a load for giving it your best shot Bob!!!!
>
> All the prep I've done so far needed doing anyway.
>
> I may just come down for the drive.
>
> dave
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Vegas Pantera Track Event Cancelled
> From: bens1 via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at poca.com>
> Date: Tue, February 09, 2016 12:14 pm
> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
> I just wanted to let everyone know that the Pantera
> Track event in Vegas is Cancelled.... we had a small
> group that wanted to participate but not enough to make
> it come even close to breaking even.... I contacted 9
> clubs in the Vegas area several times and only a few responded with
> no Participants interested... The Silver State is also running
> that weekend so we did hear a few Corvette guys that may
> have run with us were going to Eli that weekend
> I hope everyone can get their cars out and run them as there
> are many groups that have events coming up.. They all love
> to see a Pantera run with them
> Be safe
> Bob Benson
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