[DeTomaso] body differences - Euro GTS vs USA market car

[Cullen McCann]

It DOES have evidence of the pop rivet holes, but the flares are not
present. The fender openings had been cut, but to a smaller size, not Grp 4
or 5 size. Just the steel flare was removed with holes at the perimeter.
With so many aftermarket flares installed, I didn't even consider it when I
first saw it. Honestly I was planning on putting GTS style flares back on
it.

It does have a two pod dash, with matching vin. leather wrapped, no clock.
So that seams indicative to me that is a USA market car. Of course its LHD.
Hmmmm.

Cullen

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Cullen,
>
>
> As William attested there is likely no real difference in the bodies as
> all came from a single production line; that is to say no difference in an
> Euro regular car vs. an Euro GTS. A 4653 VIN without bumper holes would
> be indicative of an Euro destined car to me. Does it have evidence of pot
> rivet holes for the GTS fiberglass fender flares? Do you have any other
> telltale parts e.g. mouse hair covered dash, clock in the dash etc.?
>
>
> Julian
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 12:23:33 PM
> *To:* Julian Kift
> *Cc:* Email List Address For Posting
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] body differences - Euro GTS vs USA market car
>
> Hi Julian!
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> Yes, by the VIN seems like the obvious choice and not a secret. Its my
> car, which is late 72 L, 4653. It was Ted Mitchell's car for many years,
> was destined to be a race car but never happened. I would expect Ted to
> know, but when he acquired it, more like a parts car, it was in boxes, and
> that's how I acquired it.
>
> A USA market "L" car would have a large front bumper, correct? It did not
> come with one, and it does not have shock bumper mounting holes and I see
> no evidence that they have been filled or that extensive front end work has
> been done. The registry also shows 4652 and 4654 being euro GTS cars. Which
> simply raises the question in my mind. I know that's not conclusive.
>
> I was just hoping to deduce from characteristics inherent to the
> production line, rather than word of mouth. Didn't know if those
> characteristics were definitive, but If any body online does have history
> on the car, please contact me offline.
>
> thank you!! Cullen
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I assume you have tried researching the VIN in the registry etc.? What
>> year is the car? Maybe someone on list would recognize the VIN?
>>
>>
>> For a later VIN car the lack of shock bumper mounting holes could
>> establish it as a Euro car, but not that it was a GTS. More of the Euro
>> cars seem to employ the small button side marker, but not exclusively.
>>
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>> Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:42:48 AM
>> *To:* Email List Address For Posting
>> *Subject:* [DeTomaso] body differences - Euro GTS vs USA market car
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm trying to positively identify a bare steel body tub based on its
>> characteristics.  Are there any recognizable differences in the sheet
>> metal
>> on the Euro GTS versus a USA market car of the same timeframe? I'm told
>> the
>> USA market GTS would have GT in the vin. Do Euro GTS cars have any
>> GT-specific identifying marks in the steel?
>>
>> Thank you so much!!
>>
>> Cullen
>> Yukon, OK
>>
>
>
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   ItA DOES have evidence of the pop rivet holes, but the flares are not
   present. The fender openings had been cut, but to a smaller size, not
   Grp 4 or 5 size. Just the steel flare was removed with holes at the
   perimeter. With so many aftermarket flares installed, I didn't even
   consider it when I first saw it. Honestly I was planning on putting GTS
   style flares back on it.
   It does have aA two pod dash, with matching vin. leather wrapped, no
   clock. So that seams indicative to me that is a USA market car. Of
   course its LHD. Hmmmm.
   Cullen

   On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Julian Kift
   <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

   Cullen,

   As William attested there is likely no real difference in the bodies as
   all came from a single production line; that is to say no difference
   inA an Euro regular car vs. an Euro GTS. A 4653 VIN without bumper
   holes would beA indicativeA ofA an Euro destined car to me. Does it
   have evidence of pot rivet holes for the GTS fiberglass fender
   flares?A Do you have any other telltale parts e.g. mouse hair covered
   dash, clock in the dash etc.?

   Julian
   A
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Cullen McCann <[2]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
   Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 12:23:33 PM
   To: Julian Kift
   Cc: Email List Address For Posting
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] body differences - Euro GTS vs USA market car
   A
   Hi Julian!
   Thanks for the reply.
   Yes, by the VIN seems like the obvious choice and not a secret. Its my
   car, which is late 72 L, 4653.A It was Ted Mitchell's car for many
   years, was destined to be a race car but never happened. I would expect
   Ted to know, but when he acquired it, more like a parts car, it was in
   boxes, and that's how I acquired it.
   AA USA marketA "L" car would have a large frontA bumper, correct? It
   did not come with one, andA it does not have shock bumper mounting
   holes and I see no evidence that they have been filled or that
   extensive front end work has been done. The registry also shows 4652
   and 4654 beingA euro GTS cars. Which simply raises the question in my
   mind.A I know that'sA notA conclusive.A
   I was justA hoping to deduce from characteristics inherent toA the
   production line, rather than word of mouth.A Didn't know if those
   characteristics were definitive, but If any body online does have
   history on the car, please contact me offline.
   thank you!! Cullen
   On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Julian Kift
   <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

   I assume you have tried researching the VIN in the registry etc.? What
   year is the car? Maybe someone on list would recognize the VIN?

   For a later VIN car the lack of shock bumper mounting holes could
   establish it as a Euro car, but not that it was a GTS. More of the Euro
   cars seem to employ the small button side marker, but not exclusively.

   Julian
   A
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Cullen McCann <[5]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
   Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:42:48 AM
   To: Email List Address For Posting
   Subject: [DeTomaso] body differences - Euro GTS vs USA market car
   A
   Hi All,
   I'm trying to positively identify a bare steel body tub based on its
   characteristics.A  Are there any recognizable differences in the sheet
   metal
   on the Euro GTS versus a USA market car of the same timeframe? I'm told
   the
   USA market GTS would have GT in the vin. Do Euro GTS cars have any
   GT-specific identifying marks in the steel?
   Thank you so much!!
   Cullen
   Yukon, OK

References

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