[DeTomaso] Email Forum Opportunity
Michael Shortt
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Tue Apr 19 23:19:12 EDT 2016
Whatever, we are talking about the email list.
Your response only confirms the problem. "At GoDaddy rejecting".
Ed works on the problems all the time to constantly add people back in who
are kicked off.
When the new website debuts, people will quickly, as in instantaneous ly
see the difference in the old and the new.
Given that you have never seen it, know nothing about its security or much
else connected to it, your assessment seems a bit premature. By all means,
when it comes out, try to hack it, Id personally appreciate it if you can
find a weakness that needs to be addressed.
Nobody has mentioned anything about the existing website, not one word. Not
even the haters on the email list issue have said anything about the
website. Maybe because few of them have used it.
It's unfortunate that my "grandiose posturing" pisses you off, if you were
helping in any way whatsoever - you wouldn't have time to be pissed and you
would know more about it.
I'm too busy,
Aside from
Creating the new website
The new membership brochure
The recruiting drive
Growing the club by 8% in 3 months
Building an entirely new member database with
online billing
Planning an East Coast Rally
Building an online POCA store that works
Conducting open BOD meetings,
Meeting with the chapter Presidents every month
Plus more that isn't public yet
All with the incredible help and support of a BOD that cares about the
future of the club,
I'm just too damned busy to be pissed.
Michael Shortt
On Apr 19, 2016 10:42 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> WTF are you talking about Michael? I don't think you have a deep
> understanding of the server or it's security.
>
> The forum is constantly failing and kicking people off? List members
> Infecting the server weekly? WTF are you talking about? The last time
> that I recall the server got hacked was over three years ago. Are attempts
> made? Oh you betcha, but so are attempts made to just about -any- server
> on the internet but they don't come through the list.
>
> If a member -is- causing a problem, it needs to be figured out. But I'll
> tell you right now the POCA server is NOT the server bouncing emails
> causing mass unsubscribes. It's a server down the line at GoDaddy
> rejecting the outgoing traffic for EITHER "spam" or "virus" attachments.
> Unfortunately they don't tell us which one, so we assume a bad attachment
> since the "let-through" has been pretty flawless for years. Someone should
> troubleshoot that.
>
> Magnet for spam and robots? Yes, any website out there, especially ones
> hosting forums are targets. The new POCA forum will be a target too. But
> let me ask you, when was the last time this email list sent you spam?
> When?
> We turned ON attachments a while ago to help share more stuff. Prior to
> turning ON attachments, the forum never, ever, had a problem and it is the
> primary reason Mailman encourages -not- to turn on attachments.
>
> Now with that said, parsing all incoming mail through something like a
> Barracuda spam and virus firewall server would probably catch those virus
> attachments -before- they got to the POCA server.
>
> And the search engine bots are crawling it all the time looking for
> updates so they can return meaningful results when searched.
>
> It keeps three people busy every day? Really? The busiest I get is going
> to read the emails. I've not done any serious troubleshooting on the
> server for months. I could probably figure out what's causing the problem
> but thought it would be a good challenge for someone else to troubleshoot
> in order to help them learn. But that point is moot since you'll be
> standing up a new forum anyway. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT I'VE BEEN
> LOCKED OUT OF THE SERVER FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG AND ALL ACCESS PASSWORDS
> HAVE BEEN CHANGED. I couldn't be helping POCA even if I was asked to.
> Working on it daily? Hardly.
>
> And finally, you're making the new service sound like Fort Knox. I
> seriously doubt that; I've seen that story before. Better security than
> now? Most likely and I'm sure it's something to look forward to, but
> you're trying to make if sound nuclear-proof.
>
> I've become sick of your grandiose posturing making it sound like the
> present web site is constantly being hacked and providing nothing but a
> security problem to the members and that it's taking constant work to keep
> it from causing harm, or that this email forum is antiquated and a dying
> dinosaur. It must be, otherwise why would there still be thousands of
> Mailman email lists still out there and the software still updated?
>
> ...or that the only way to get new members is to restrict most content to
> locked away member only access areas. Good luck with that but I guess it's
> the new paradigm.
>
> Oh, and Corey was banned from the PI forum (did you miss that part), not
> this one. Because the PI forum is moderated and sometimes the forum
> moderator manages to get pissed off at subscribers.
>
> I was on-board with the move to a new web site and even on board to POCA
> paying a reasonable amount to have it managed. But now your verbal
> posturing is just pissing me off.
>
> For those interested, I could probably stand up a replacement site with
> Mailman (brand new) in less than 24 hours.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> *Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks*
>
>
> Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nobody has been banned from the forum.
>
> The forum is constantly failing and kicking people out, it is a magnet for
> spam and robots.
> It also spreads viruses faster than $10 hooker, because there are several
> of you that use it that do not have proper software and you guys infect the
> server and everybody else weekly.
>
> It literally keeps three people (Gerry Womack, Asa Jay and Ed Mendez) busy
> every day to keep it operational, we all owe them a huge debt for their
> service.
>
> The new website is pretty hack proof, has awesome security and best of all,
> a 24 hour tech support line.
>
> It will be a problem for somebody else now.
>
> We hope you visit the new forum.
>
> Michael
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Corey Price <[1]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Since I hadA my membership privileges removed from the PI forum
>
> ???
> Jeff
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:coreyjprice at gmail.com
>
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> Nobody has been banned from the forum.
>
> The forum is constantly failing and kicking people out, it is a magnet
> for spam and robots.
> It also spreads viruses faster than $10 hooker, because there are
> several of you that use it that do not have proper software and you
> guys infect the server and everybody else weekly.
>
> It literally keeps three people (Gerry Womack, Asa Jay and Ed Mendez)
> busy every day to keep it operational, we all owe them a huge debt for
> their service.
>
> The new website is pretty hack proof, has awesome security and best of
> all, a 24 hour tech support line.
>
> It will be a problem for somebody else now.
>
> We hope you visit the new forum.
>
> Michael
>
> A A On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Corey Price
> <[1][1]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> A A wrote:
> A A Since I hadA my membership privileges removed from the PI forum
> A A ???
> A A Jeff
> References
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Whatever, we are talking about the email list.
Your response only confirms the problem. "At GoDaddy rejecting".
Ed works on the problems all the time to constantly add people back in
who are kicked off.
When the new website debuts, people will quickly, as in instantaneous
ly see the difference in the old and the new.
Given that you have never seen it, know nothing about its security or
much else connected to it, your assessment seems a bit premature.A By
all means, when it comes out, try to hack it, Id personally appreciate
it if you can find a weakness that needs to be addressed.
Nobody has mentioned anything about the existing website, not one word.
Not even the haters on the email list issue have said anything about
the website. Maybe because few of them have used it.
It's unfortunate that my "grandiose posturing" pisses you off, if you
were helping in any way whatsoever - you wouldn't have time to be
pissed and you would know more about it.
I'm too busy,
Aside from
Creating the new website
The new membership brochure
The recruiting drive
Growing the club by 8% in 3 months
Building an entirely new member database with
online billing
Planning an East Coast Rally
Building an online POCA store that works
Conducting open BOD meetings,
Meeting with the chapter Presidents every month
Plus more that isn't public yet
All with the incredible help and support of a BOD that cares about the
future of the club,
I'm just too damned busy to be pissed.
Michael Shortt
On Apr 19, 2016 10:42 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <[1]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
WTF are you talking about Michael?A I don't think you have a deep
understanding of the server or it's security.
TheA forum is constantly failing and kicking people off?A List
members Infecting the server weekly?A WTF are you talking about?A The
last time that I recall the server got hacked was over three years
ago.A Are attempts made?A Oh you betcha, but so are attempts made to
just about -any- server on the internet but they don't come through the
list.
If a member -is- causing a problem, it needs to be figured out.A But
I'll tell you right now the POCA server is NOT the server bouncing
emails causing mass unsubscribes.A It's a server down the line at
GoDaddy rejecting the outgoing traffic for EITHER "spam" or "virus"
attachments.A Unfortunately they don't tell us which one, so we assume
a bad attachment since the "let-through" has been pretty flawless for
years.A Someone should troubleshoot that.
Magnet for spam and robots?A Yes, any website out there, especially
ones hosting forums are targets.A The new POCA forum will be a target
too.A But let me ask you, when was the last time this email list sent
you spam?A When?A
We turned ON attachments a while ago to help share more stuff.A Prior
to turning ON attachments, the forum never, ever, had a problem and it
is the primary reason Mailman encourages -not- to turn on attachments.
Now with that said, parsing all incoming mail through something like a
Barracuda spam and virus firewall server would probably catch those
virus attachments -before- they got to the POCA server.
And the search engine bots are crawling it all the time looking for
updates so they can return meaningful results when searched.
It keeps three people busy every day?A Really?A The busiest I get is
going to read the emails.A I've not done any serious troubleshooting
on the server for months.A I could probably figure out what's causing
the problem but thought it would be a good challenge for someone else
to troubleshoot in order to help them learn.A But that point is moot
since you'll be standing up a new forum anyway. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT
THAT I'VE BEEN LOCKED OUT OF THE SERVER FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG AND ALL
ACCESS PASSWORDS HAVE BEEN CHANGED.A I couldn't be helping POCA even
if I was asked to.A Working on it daily?A Hardly.
And finally, you're making the new service sound like Fort Knox.A I
seriously doubt that; I've seen that story before.A Better security
than now?A Most likely and I'm sure it's something to look forward to,
but you're trying to make if sound nuclear-proof.
I've become sick of your grandiose posturing making it sound like the
present web site is constantly being hacked and providing nothing but a
security problem to the members and that it's taking constant work to
keep it from causing harm, or that this email forum is antiquated and a
dying dinosaur.A It must be, otherwise why would there still be
thousands of Mailman email lists still out there and the software still
updated?
...or that the only way to get new members is to restrict most content
to locked away member only access areas.A Good luck with that but I
guess it's the new paradigm.
Oh, and Corey was banned from the PI forum (did you miss that part),
not this one.A A Because the PI forum is moderated and sometimes the
forum moderator manages to get pissed off at subscribers.
I was on-board with the move to a new web site and even on board to
POCA paying a reasonable amount to have it managed.A But now your
verbal posturing is just pissing me off.
For those interested, I could probably stand up a replacement site with
Mailman (brand new) in less than 24 hours.
AsaA Jay
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
Michael Shortt <[2]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
Nobody has been banned from the forum.
The forum is constantly failing and kicking people out, it is a
magnet for
spam and robots.
It also spreads viruses faster than $10 hooker, because there are
several
of you that use it that do not have proper software and you guys
infect the
server and everybody else weekly.
It literally keeps three people (Gerry Womack, Asa Jay and Ed
Mendez) busy
every day to keep it operational, we all owe them a huge debt for
their
service.
The new website is pretty hack proof, has awesome security and best
of all,
a 24 hour tech support line.
It will be a problem for somebody else now.
We hope you visit the new forum.
Michael
A A On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Corey Price
<[1][3]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A Since I hadA my membership privileges removed from the PI forum
A A ???
A A Jeff
References
A A 1. mailto:[4]coreyjprice at gmail.com
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A A Nobody has been banned from the forum.
A A The forum is constantly failing and kicking people out, it is a
magnet
A A for spam and robots.
A A It also spreads viruses faster than $10 hooker, because there
are
A A several of you that use it that do not have proper software and
you
A A guys infect the server and everybody else weekly.
A A It literally keeps three people (Gerry Womack, Asa Jay and Ed
Mendez)
A A busy every day to keep it operational, we all owe them a huge
debt for
A A their service.
A A The new website is pretty hack proof, has awesome security and
best of
A A all, a 24 hour tech support line.
A A It will be a problem for somebody else now.
A A We hope you visit the new forum.
A A Michael
A A AA A On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Corey Price
A A <[1][1][7]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
A A AA A wrote:
A A AA A Since I hadA my membership privileges removed from the PI
forum
A A AA A ???
A A AA A Jeff
A A References
A A AA A 1. mailto:[2][8]coreyjprice at gmail.com
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