[DeTomaso] Email Forum Opportunity
Nathan Giles
nathan.giles at ex3.com
Tue Apr 19 23:01:29 EDT 2016
I really don't get why there is so much controversy about this.
Email list servers have gone the way of the dinosaur. This is old tech in a really fast moving world.
Michael et al are trying like hell to move this group into the current century.
Personally I like being part of the group but the multitude of emails that I get in a day in addition to the thousands of work and junk emails is too much. I'd much rather go out a look at a web forum.
Give what the new ideas a break and let go of the old. It's really not that scary and way better in the long run.
Nathan Giles
> On Apr 19, 2016, at 19:42, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>
> WTF are you talking about Michael? I don't think you have a deep
> understanding of the server or it's security.
> The forum is constantly failing and kicking people off? List members
> Infecting the server weekly? WTF are you talking about? The last time
> that I recall the server got hacked was over three years ago. Are
> attempts made? Oh you betcha, but so are attempts made to just about
> -any- server on the internet but they don't come through the list.
> If a member -is- causing a problem, it needs to be figured out. But
> I'll tell you right now the POCA server is NOT the server bouncing
> emails causing mass unsubscribes. It's a server down the line at
> GoDaddy rejecting the outgoing traffic for EITHER "spam" or "virus"
> attachments. Unfortunately they don't tell us which one, so we assume
> a bad attachment since the "let-through" has been pretty flawless for
> years. Someone should troubleshoot that.
> Magnet for spam and robots? Yes, any website out there, especially
> ones hosting forums are targets. The new POCA forum will be a target
> too. But let me ask you, when was the last time this email list sent
> you spam? When?
> We turned ON attachments a while ago to help share more stuff. Prior
> to turning ON attachments, the forum never, ever, had a problem and it
> is the primary reason Mailman encourages -not- to turn on attachments.
> Now with that said, parsing all incoming mail through something like a
> Barracuda spam and virus firewall server would probably catch those
> virus attachments -before- they got to the POCA server.
> And the search engine bots are crawling it all the time looking for
> updates so they can return meaningful results when searched.
> It keeps three people busy every day? Really? The busiest I get is
> going to read the emails. I've not done any serious troubleshooting on
> the server for months. I could probably figure out what's causing the
> problem but thought it would be a good challenge for someone else to
> troubleshoot in order to help them learn. But that point is moot since
> you'll be standing up a new forum anyway. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT
> I'VE BEEN LOCKED OUT OF THE SERVER FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG AND ALL
> ACCESS PASSWORDS HAVE BEEN CHANGED. I couldn't be helping POCA even if
> I was asked to. Working on it daily? Hardly.
> And finally, you're making the new service sound like Fort Knox. I
> seriously doubt that; I've seen that story before. Better security
> than now? Most likely and I'm sure it's something to look forward to,
> but you're trying to make if sound nuclear-proof.
> I've become sick of your grandiose posturing making it sound like the
> present web site is constantly being hacked and providing nothing but a
> security problem to the members and that it's taking constant work to
> keep it from causing harm, or that this email forum is antiquated and a
> dying dinosaur. It must be, otherwise why would there still be
> thousands of Mailman email lists still out there and the software still
> updated?
> ...or that the only way to get new members is to restrict most content
> to locked away member only access areas. Good luck with that but I
> guess it's the new paradigm.
> Oh, and Corey was banned from the PI forum (did you miss that part),
> not this one. Because the PI forum is moderated and sometimes the
> forum moderator manages to get pissed off at subscribers.
> I was on-board with the move to a new web site and even on board to
> POCA paying a reasonable amount to have it managed. But now your
> verbal posturing is just pissing me off.
> For those interested, I could probably stand up a replacement site with
> Mailman (brand new) in less than 24 hours.
> Asa Jay
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>
> Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
> Nobody has been banned from the forum.
> The forum is constantly failing and kicking people out, it is a magnet
> for
> spam and robots.
> It also spreads viruses faster than $10 hooker, because there are
> several
> of you that use it that do not have proper software and you guys infect
> the
> server and everybody else weekly.
> It literally keeps three people (Gerry Womack, Asa Jay and Ed Mendez)
> busy
> every day to keep it operational, we all owe them a huge debt for their
> service.
> The new website is pretty hack proof, has awesome security and best of
> all,
> a 24 hour tech support line.
> It will be a problem for somebody else now.
> We hope you visit the new forum.
> Michael
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Corey Price
> <[1]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Since I hadA my membership privileges removed from the PI forum
> ???
> Jeff
> References
> 1. mailto:coreyjprice at gmail.com
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> Nobody has been banned from the forum.
> The forum is constantly failing and kicking people out, it is a
> magnet
> for spam and robots.
> It also spreads viruses faster than $10 hooker, because there are
> several of you that use it that do not have proper software and you
> guys infect the server and everybody else weekly.
> It literally keeps three people (Gerry Womack, Asa Jay and Ed
> Mendez)
> busy every day to keep it operational, we all owe them a huge debt
> for
> their service.
> The new website is pretty hack proof, has awesome security and best
> of
> all, a 24 hour tech support line.
> It will be a problem for somebody else now.
> We hope you visit the new forum.
> Michael
> A A On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Corey Price
> <[1][1]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> A A wrote:
> A A Since I hadA my membership privileges removed from the PI forum
> A A ???
> A A Jeff
> References
> A A 1. mailto:[2]coreyjprice at gmail.com
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