[DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
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Mon Apr 18 17:23:33 EDT 2016
Julian,since it seems to need to be inverted to fit a Pantera, did the sellers how much trouble it is to flip the ring gear so it runs in the 'right' direction? Hypoid R& Ps are sometimes a problem. I assume working out the shifting linkage will be up to the buyer. Curious- J DeRyke
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From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Scott Bell <scott at saccrestorations.net>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2016 1:13 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
It is dimensionally the same as the ZF with Porsche internals. It was introduced via an effort by Chris Melia for the GT40 builders when obtaining a ZF and getting it flipped was an 18 month ordeal. ZF's are plentiful again and the Quaife costs about the same, so why mess around. There were also some failures reported in hard use and as stated no Pantera orientation version despite why the Quaife website may say.
Julian
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Scott Bell <scott at saccrestorations.net> wrote:
>
> Key features of the Quaife QBE62G 5-Speed, ‘H’ pattern ZF replacement transaxle gearbox include:-
>
> • 85mm shaft centres and hypoid crown-wheel and pinion
> to handle high output engines
> • Fitment, major dimensions and gear-change input
> replicates original ZF DS-25/2
> • 5-speed H-pattern with ‘dog-leg’ 1st, as per original
> ZF DS-25/2
> • Standard GT40 or inverted De Tomaso fitment
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Corey Price
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 12:19 PM
> To: Michael Shortt; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
>
> Except that it isn't designed to run in the Pantera's "inverted" configuration and the company has no desire to modify it to do such. I asked a Quaife engineer years ago about the possibilities.
>
>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You could just buy this and quit messing around.
>>
>> http://quaife.co.uk/quaife-zf-tranxaxle-back-popular-demand/
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Guido deTomaso <guido_detomaso at prodigy.net> wrote:
>>> Someone had/has one for sale on the Facebook page. Has to be installed
>>> upside down in a mid engine configuration, IIRC there were some mods
>>> done to the transaxle to make it more compact and/or accommodate mid
>>> engine shift linkage.
>>> GD
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> To: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>; "detomaso at poca.com"
>>> <detomaso at poca.com>; Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
>>> I think Corey Price was looking into using a Porsche transaxle.
>>> Ken
>>> __________________________________________________________________
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>>> To: "[2]detomaso at poca.com" <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:32 AM
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
>>> Has anyone ever tried fitting a G50 ( or other ) Porsche gearbox to
>>> a
>>> 302 or a 351 ? Where does the starter get fitted ?A
>>> A company in Vegas ( Renegade ) offers a bellhousing for such an
>>> assembly.A
>>> Does it support the much bigger torque than with a Porsche engine
>>> ?A
>>> Looks possibly interesting !A
>>> Thank you and good w e !A
>>> Pat
>>> Candy - ADA A
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Julian,since it seems to need to be inverted to fit a Pantera, did the
sellers how much trouble it is to flip the ring gear so it runs in the
'right' direction? Hypoid R& Ps are sometimes a problem. I assume
working out the shifting linkage will be up to the buyer. Curious- J
DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Scott Bell <scott at saccrestorations.net>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2016 1:13 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
It is dimensionally the same as the ZF with Porsche internals. It was
introduced via an effort by Chris Melia for the GT40 builders when
obtaining a ZF and getting it flipped was an 18 month ordeal. ZF's are
plentiful again and the Quaife costs about the same, so why mess
around. There were also some failures reported in hard use and as
stated no Pantera orientation version despite why the Quaife website
may say.
Julian
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Scott Bell
<[1]scott at saccrestorations.net> wrote:
>
> Key features of the Quaife QBE62G 5-Speed, aHa pattern ZF replacement
transaxle gearbox include:-
>
> a-c- 85mm shaft centres and hypoid crown-wheel and pinion
> to handle high output engines
> a-c- Fitment, major dimensions and gear-change input
> replicates original ZF DS-25/2
> a-c- 5-speed H-pattern with adog-lega 1st, as per original
> ZF DS-25/2
> a-c- Standard GT40 or inverted De Tomaso fitment
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Corey Price
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 12:19 PM
> To: Michael Shortt; [3]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera
?
>
> Except that it isn't designed to run in the Pantera's "inverted"
configuration and the company has no desire to modify it to do such. I
asked a Quaife engineer years ago about the possibilities.
>
>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Michael Shortt
<[4]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You could just buy this and quit messing around.
>>
>> [5]http://quaife.co.uk/quaife-zf-tranxaxle-back-popular-demand/
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Guido deTomaso
<[6]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net> wrote:
>>> Someone had/has one for sale on the Facebook page. Has to be
installed
>>> upside down in a mid engine configuration, IIRC there were some
mods
>>> done to the transaxle to make it more compact and/or accommodate
mid
>>> engine shift linkage.
>>> GD
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
>>> To: Patrick HALS <[8]patrickhals at gmail.com>; "[9]detomaso at poca.com"
>>> <[10]detomaso at poca.com>; Corey Price <[11]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso
Pantera ?
>>> I think Corey Price was looking into using a Porsche transaxle.
>>> Ken
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>> From: Patrick HALS <[1][12]patrickhals at gmail.com>
>>> To: "[2][13]detomaso at poca.com" <[3][14]detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:32 AM
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
>>> Has anyone ever tried fitting a G50 ( or other ) Porsche gearbox to
>>> a
>>> 302 or a 351 ? Where does the starter get fitted ?A
>>> A company in Vegas ( Renegade ) offers a bellhousing for such an
>>> assembly.A
>>> Does it support the much bigger torque than with a Porsche engine
>>> ?A
>>> Looks possibly interesting !A
>>> Thank you and good w e !A
>>> Pat
>>> Candy - ADA A
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