[DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Tue Apr 19 01:19:06 EDT 2016
Jack,
Is your question directed at the G50 or the Quaife ZFQ? Quaife don't make a Pantera oriented version and I don't know that the ZFQ can be simply flipped, I know of no one that has done so. Patrick Hals (who potsed the original thread) application is the ADA Pantera Si which has the engine mounted significantly lower than a standard Pantera/Si, so the Quaife or a GT40 oriented ZF that places the output shafts over the input shaft height is desirable for ground clearance.
On the G50 part of the reason the Porsche transaxles are popular in mid engine kits is the ring gear doesn't require to be flipped! Remember a Porsche is rear engine with the transaxle sitting in front of the engine, so you are just rotating it 180 degrees over the plane of the axles.
Julian
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To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
Julian,since it seems to need to be inverted to fit a Pantera, did the sellers how much trouble it is to flip the ring gear so it runs in the 'right' direction? Hypoid R& Ps are sometimes a problem. I assume working out the shifting linkage will be up to the buyer. Curious- J DeRyke
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From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Scott Bell <scott at saccrestorations.net>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2016 1:13 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
It is dimensionally the same as the ZF with Porsche internals. It was introduced via an effort by Chris Melia for the GT40 builders when obtaining a ZF and getting it flipped was an 18 month ordeal. ZF's are plentiful again and the Quaife costs about the same, so why mess around. There were also some failures reported in hard use and as stated no Pantera orientation version despite why the Quaife website may say.
Julian
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Scott Bell <scott at saccrestorations.net<mailto:scott at saccrestorations.net>> wrote:
>
> Key features of the Quaife QBE62G 5-Speed, ‘H’ pattern ZF replacement transaxle gearbox include:-
>
> • 85mm shaft centres and hypoid crown-wheel and pinion
> to handle high output engines
> • Fitment, major dimensions and gear-change input
> replicates original ZF DS-25/2
> • 5-speed H-pattern with ‘dog-leg’ 1st, as per original
> ZF DS-25/2
> • Standard GT40 or inverted De Tomaso fitment
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com?>] On Behalf Of Corey Price
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 12:19 PM
> To: Michael Shortt; detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
>
> Except that it isn't designed to run in the Pantera's "inverted" configuration and the company has no desire to modify it to do such. I asked a Quaife engineer years ago about the possibilities.
>
>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> You could just buy this and quit messing around.
>>
>> http://quaife.co.uk/quaife-zf-tranxaxle-back-popular-demand/
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Guido deTomaso <guido_detomaso at prodigy.net<mailto:guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>> wrote:
>>> Someone had/has one for sale on the Facebook page. Has to be installed
>>> upside down in a mid engine configuration, IIRC there were some mods
>>> done to the transaxle to make it more compact and/or accommodate mid
>>> engine shift linkage.
>>> GD
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>>> To: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com<mailto:patrickhals at gmail.com>>; "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>"
>>> <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>; Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com<mailto:coreyjprice at gmail.com>>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
>>> I think Corey Price was looking into using a Porsche transaxle.
>>> Ken
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>> From: Patrick HALS <[1]patrickhals at gmail.com<mailto:patrickhals at gmail.com>>
>>> To: "[2]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>" <[3]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:32 AM
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
>>> Has anyone ever tried fitting a G50 ( or other ) Porsche gearbox to
>>> a
>>> 302 or a 351 ? Where does the starter get fitted ?A
>>> A company in Vegas ( Renegade ) offers a bellhousing for such an
>>> assembly.A
>>> Does it support the much bigger torque than with a Porsche engine
>>> ?A
>>> Looks possibly interesting !A
>>> Thank you and good w e !A
>>> Pat
>>> Candy - ADA A
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Jack,
Is your question directed at the G50 or the Quaife ZFQ? Quaife don't
make a Pantera oriented version and I don't know that the ZFQ can be
simply flipped, I know of no one that has done so. Patrick Hals (who
potsed the original thread) application is the ADA Pantera Si which has
the engine mounted significantly lower than a standard Pantera/Si, so
the Quaife or a GT40 oriented ZF that places the output shafts over the
input shaft height is desirable for ground clearance.
On the G50 part of the reason the Porsche transaxles are popular in mid
engine kits is the ring gear doesn't require to be flipped! Remember a
Porsche is rear engine with the transaxle sitting in front of the
engine, so you are just rotating it 180 degrees over the plane of the
axles.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: jderyke at aol.com <jderyke at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:23 PM
To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
Julian,since it seems to need to be inverted to fit a Pantera, did the
sellers how much trouble it is to flip the ring gear so it runs in the
'right' direction? Hypoid R& Ps are sometimes a problem. I assume
working out the shifting linkage will be up to the buyer. Curious- J
DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Scott Bell <scott at saccrestorations.net>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2016 1:13 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
It is dimensionally the same as the ZF with Porsche internals. It was
introduced via an effort by Chris Melia for the GT40 builders when
obtaining a ZF and getting it flipped was an 18 month ordeal. ZF's are
plentiful again and the Quaife costs about the same, so why mess
around. There were also some failures reported in hard use and as
stated no Pantera orientation version despite why the Quaife website
may say.
Julian
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Scott Bell
<[1]scott at saccrestorations.net> wrote:
>
> Key features of the Quaife QBE62G 5-Speed, `H' pattern ZF replacement
transaxle gearbox include:-
>
> o 85mm shaft centres and hypoid crown-wheel and pinion
> to handle high output engines
> o Fitment, major dimensions and gear-change input
> replicates original ZF DS-25/2
> o 5-speed H-pattern with `dog-leg' 1st, as per original
> ZF DS-25/2
> o Standard GT40 or inverted De Tomaso fitment
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Corey Price
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 12:19 PM
> To: Michael Shortt; [3]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera
?
>
> Except that it isn't designed to run in the Pantera's "inverted"
configuration and the company has no desire to modify it to do such. I
asked a Quaife engineer years ago about the possibilities.
>
>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Michael Shortt
<[4]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You could just buy this and quit messing around.
>>
>> [5]http://quaife.co.uk/quaife-zf-tranxaxle-back-popular-demand/
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Guido deTomaso
<[6]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net> wrote:
>>> Someone had/has one for sale on the Facebook page. Has to be
installed
>>> upside down in a mid engine configuration, IIRC there were some
mods
>>> done to the transaxle to make it more compact and/or accommodate
mid
>>> engine shift linkage.
>>> GD
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
>>> To: Patrick HALS <[8]patrickhals at gmail.com>; "[9]detomaso at poca.com"
>>> <[10]detomaso at poca.com>; Corey Price <[11]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso
Pantera ?
>>> I think Corey Price was looking into using a Porsche transaxle.
>>> Ken
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>> From: Patrick HALS <[1][12]patrickhals at gmail.com>
>>> To: "[2][13]detomaso at poca.com" <[3][14]detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:32 AM
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] A G50 Porsche gearbox on a De Tomaso Pantera ?
>>> Has anyone ever tried fitting a G50 ( or other ) Porsche gearbox to
>>> a
>>> 302 or a 351 ? Where does the starter get fitted ?A
>>> A company in Vegas ( Renegade ) offers a bellhousing for such an
>>> assembly.A
>>> Does it support the much bigger torque than with a Porsche engine
>>> ?A
>>> Looks possibly interesting !A
>>> Thank you and good w e !A
>>> Pat
>>> Candy - ADA A
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1. mailto:scott at saccrestorations.net
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4. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
5. http://quaife.co.uk/quaife-zf-tranxaxle-back-popular-demand/
6. mailto:guido_detomaso at prodigy.net
7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
8. mailto:patrickhals at gmail.com
9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
11. mailto:coreyjprice at gmail.com
12. mailto:patrickhals at gmail.com
13. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
17. mailto:[6]DeTomaso at poca.com?
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19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
21. mailto:patrickhals at gmail.com?
22. mailto:detomaso at poca.com?
23. mailto:detomaso at poca.com?
24. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
25. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
28. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
29. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
30. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
31. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
32. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
33. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
34. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
35. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
36. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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