[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 135, Issue 28

Tom Ware ace595 at hotmail.com
Sat Sep 26 15:28:47 EDT 2015


Do we have a member in Las Vegas / Henderson to look at a car for me if needed be?
Thanks
Tom

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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. 71 red messed up PB. (Bill Moore)
>   2. Re: Holley Buys MSD (Orthogonal Pantera Content) (Tony DiGiovanna)
>   3. Re: 71 red messed up PB. (Mike Drew)
>   4. Fwd: New Cleveland engine block (Ed Mendez)
>   5. interesting article - Pantera vs 73 Corvette (Cullen McCann)
>   6. Re: 71 red messed up PB. (bill gaino)
>   7. Re: 71 red messed up PB. (Julian Kift)
>   8. Thermostat (mark skwarek)
>   9. Re: FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS?? (Mike Thomas)
>  10. Sit down (Paul Rimov)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 19:57:10 -0600
> From: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
> To: Detomaso Biglist <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] 71 red messed up PB.
> Message-ID: <tlx8l269gl4t61fxvylepr1c.1443232630419 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> 
> 
> $40k
> 
> Cheers,
> Bill MooreIncendium SupplyCalgary
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>   $40k
> 
>   Cheers,
>   Bill Moore
>   Incendium Supply
>   Calgary
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 23:13:24 -0400
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> To: 'Don Thomas' <dtpantera at gmail.com>, 'DeTomaso List'
>    <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Holley Buys MSD (Orthogonal Pantera Content)
> Message-ID: <00fe01d0f809$4e5df940$eb19ebc0$@optonline.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Do note all the brands under one corporate roof there, including MSD, Accel, and Mallory.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Don Thomas
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 10:58 PM
> To: DeTomaso List
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Holley Buys MSD (Orthogonal Pantera Content)
> 
> http://elpasoheraldpost.com/el-paso-based-msd-group-bought-by-holley-performance/
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> -dt
> Don Thomas
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 20:40:25 -0700
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
> Cc: Detomaso Biglist <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 71 red messed up PB.
> Message-ID: <C8336AB4-866F-41DF-8F5C-5E47DA3C117C at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Uh...what?
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 25, 2015, at 18:57, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  $40k
>> 
>>  Cheers,
>>  Bill Moore
>>  Incendium Supply
>>  Calgary
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 01:14:11 -0700
> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: New Cleveland engine block
> Message-ID: <E4807ED7-6906-40CE-9A69-5AD3E90670DE at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Timothy Meyer <fordmachinist at gmail.com>
>> Date: September 25, 2015 at 19:47:13 PDT
>> To: tmeyer at tmeyerinc.com
>> Subject: New Cleveland engine block
>> 
>> Greets to our current investors, potential investors & potential customer,
>> This has been a very, very busy week for TMeyer Inc.
>> Some of you may or may not have seen the news, TMeyer has officially purchased the 1st aftermarket Cleveland block
>> that was originally designed by Tod Buttermore.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I left Sunday after church and drove 1900 miles in 52 hours. I picked up the tooling from Todd Monday afternoon,
>> From there drove to Manitowoc, WI where the foundry Eck Industries is located.
>> There I meet with David Weiss, VP of Engineering / R&D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Eck Industries estimates the first casting can be available in about 6 weeks.  Very first change we are making is making the bulk head solid, 
>> We will be installing splayed 4-bolt main caps and we will be machining for a 1-piece rear main seal. Other changes are to follow, but these
>> will be incorporated even on casting #1. Eck has a new alloy by Alcoa that they are very excited about and would like to cast our block with it.
>> Their comment was ?This would be the strongest block on the market? 
>> Eck Industries will have a booth at the PRI show in Indiana and would like to display our block.
>> 
>> What everybody is probably thinking?What?s the time line?
>> Well, Eck will be supplying 1 aluminum casting at a time so we can machine it and confirm the casting before we start a run of any quantity.
>> We are starting with aluminum because Eck has their own pattern shop and does all their own cores and patterns.
>> Manitowoc Grey Iron is the company about 10 miles away that will do the cast iron castings.
>> Eck will supply many of the cores for them also.
>> We plan on assembling the first 4-6 blocks in house so we can confirm all dimensions, before we start selling bare blocks.
>> I predict aluminum blocks will be available to end of the year/beginning of next year.
>> Cast iron blocks should not be to far behind that.
>> 
>> TMeyer is dedicated to making this block as strong as any block on the market and keeping it 100% American made.
>> Casting in Wisconsin and all the machining will be done in-house at TMeyer, there will not be any excuses or finger pointing.
>> 
>> I want to thank everybody who have already made commitments to invest with us.
>> I also want to thank everybody who is still considering investing with us.
>> And last but not least, I want to thank all those potential customer who have been very patient
>> waiting for this block. Since Tod Buttermore and I released a statement a couple weeks ago,
>> we have had a lot of interest, very possible more than I originally thought.
>> 
>> We are currently still taking investments, so please touch base with me if you are interested in being part
>> of this very exciting and historical engine block.
>> 
>> Here are a few pictures of the Cleveland block in aluminum for your viewing pleasure.
>> Again?many Thanks, this really was not possible without you guys!!!
> 
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>   Begin forwarded message:
> 
>   From: Timothy Meyer <[1]fordmachinist at gmail.com>
> 
>   Date: September 25, 2015 at 19:47:13 PDT
> 
>   To: [2]tmeyer at tmeyerinc.com
> 
>   Subject: New Cleveland engine block
> 
>   Greets to our current investors, potential investors & potential
>   customer,
>   This has been a very, very busy week for TMeyer Inc.
>   Some of you may or may not have seen the news, TMeyer has officially
>   purchased the 1^st aftermarket Cleveland block
>   that was originally designed by Tod Buttermore.
> 
>   [cid:image004.jpg at 01D0F7DB.BC3FA310]
> 
>   I left Sunday after church and drove 1900 miles in 52 hours. I picked
>   up the tooling from Todd Monday afternoon,
>   From there drove to Manitowoc, WI where the foundry Eck Industries is
>   located.
>   There I meet with David Weiss, VP of Engineering / R&D
> 
>   [cid:image005.jpg at 01D0F7DB.BC3FA310]
>   [cid:image011.jpg at 01D0F7DB.BC3FA310]
> 
>   Eck Industries estimates the first casting can be available in about 6
>   weeks.  Very first change we are making is making the bulk head solid,
>   We will be installing splayed 4-bolt main caps and we will be machining
>   for a 1-piece rear main seal. Other changes are to follow, but these
>   will be incorporated even on casting #1. Eck has a new alloy by Alcoa
>   that they are very excited about and would like to cast our block with
>   it.
>   Their comment was "This would be the strongest block on the market"
>   Eck Industries will have a booth at the PRI show in Indiana and would
>   like to display our block.
> 
>   What everybody is probably thinking...What's the time line?
>   Well, Eck will be supplying 1 aluminum casting at a time so we can
>   machine it and confirm the casting before we start a run of any
>   quantity.
>   We are starting with aluminum because Eck has their own pattern shop
>   and does all their own cores and patterns.
>   Manitowoc Grey Iron is the company about 10 miles away that will do the
>   cast iron castings.
>   Eck will supply many of the cores for them also.
>   We plan on assembling the first 4-6 blocks in house so we can confirm
>   all dimensions, before we start selling bare blocks.
>   I predict aluminum blocks will be available to end of the
>   year/beginning of next year.
>   Cast iron blocks should not be to far behind that.
> 
>   TMeyer is dedicated to making this block as strong as any block on the
>   market and keeping it 100% American made.
>   Casting in Wisconsin and all the machining will be done in-house at
>   TMeyer, there will not be any excuses or finger pointing.
> 
>   I want to thank everybody who have already made commitments to invest
>   with us.
>   I also want to thank everybody who is still considering investing with
>   us.
>   And last but not least, I want to thank all those potential customer
>   who have been very patient
>   waiting for this block. Since Tod Buttermore and I released a statement
>   a couple weeks ago,
>   we have had a lot of interest, very possible more than I originally
>   thought.
> 
>   We are currently still taking investments, so please touch base with me
>   if you are interested in being part
>   of this very exciting and historical engine block.
> 
>   Here are a few pictures of the Cleveland block in aluminum for your
>   viewing pleasure.
>   Again...many Thanks, this really was not possible without you guys!!!
> 
>   [cid:image012.jpg at 01D0F7DB.BC3FA310]
>   [cid:image019.jpg at 01D0F7DB.BC3FA310]
>   [cid:image020.jpg at 01D0F7DB.BC3FA310]
> 
> 
>   [cid:image021.jpg at 01D0F7DB.BC3FA310]
> 
> References
> 
>   1. mailto:fordmachinist at gmail.com
>   2. mailto:tmeyer at tmeyerinc.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 08:23:25 -0500
> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> To: DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] interesting article - Pantera vs 73 Corvette
> Message-ID:
>    <CAFwr-MX_3K7dvQvuNex9ZruFE2h9_Zi3YdJOPfoiJvKT91YV-g at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> Pantera vs Corvette speed test from the hotrod mag archives.
> 
> Short article, just about a page...not entirely flattering for the Pantera
> but I don't think the comparison was well thought out ahead of time.
> Anyway...its Pantera literature for your reading pleasure if you haven't
> read it.
> 
> http://www.hotrod.com/features/history/stories/1504-top-speed-test-1973-corvette-vs-pantera/
> 
> Cullen in Oklahoma
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>   Pantera vs Corvette speed test from the hotrod mag archives.
>   Short article, just about a page...not entirely flattering for the
>   Pantera but I don't think the comparison was well thought out ahead of
>   time. Anyway...its Pantera literature for your reading pleasure if you
>   haven't read it.
>   [1]http://www.hotrod.com/features/history/stories/1504-top-speed-test-1
>   973-corvette-vs-pantera/
>   A Cullen in Oklahoma
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://www.hotrod.com/features/history/stories/1504-top-speed-test-1973-corvette-vs-pantera/
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 09:28:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> From: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
> Cc: Detomaso Biglist <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 71 red messed up PB.
> Message-ID:
>    <27315270.1443274126164.JavaMail.root at elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> If it has 8o something trans am hood vents it is 1077. I inspected this car 2 years ago and it had been belly drug bad, with worn out eveything.  Bill 1362
> 
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts  
> If you want it slick.  www.slickpaint.com  like us on facebook
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Sep 25, 2015 11:40 PM
>> To: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
>> Cc: Detomaso Biglist <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 71 red messed up PB.
>> 
>> Uh...what?
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2015, at 18:57, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  $40k
>>> 
>>>  Cheers,
>>>  Bill Moore
>>>  Incendium Supply
>>>  Calgary
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 07:37:26 -0700
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <mikeldrew at aol.com>, Bill Moore
>    <bill at incendium.com>,    De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 71 red messed up PB.
> Message-ID: <BAY173-W212A24997A7B3BA24D8E9C95410 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Ah another new price reference point for the Pantera....
> 
> At $40K you could spend the money to convert it back to a narrow body
> 
> I recently just lost out on a project Pantera for sale in Vancouver; new engine and rebuilt trans in the car and running, Group 4 conversion with modified lights needing paint and putting back together, sold for CAD$30K = US$22.5K.
> 
> Julian
> 
>> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 20:40:25 -0700
>> To: bill at incendium.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 71 red messed up PB.
>> From: detomaso at poca.com
>> CC: detomaso at poca.com
>> 
>> Uh...what?
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2015, at 18:57, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  $40k
>>> 
>>>  Cheers,
>>>  Bill Moore
>>>  Incendium Supply
>>>  Calgary
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>   Ah another new price reference point for the Pantera....
> 
>   At $40K you could spend the money to convert it back to a narrow body
> 
>   I recently just lost out on a project Pantera for sale in Vancouver;
>   new engine and rebuilt trans in the car and running, Group 4 conversion
>   with modified lights needing paint and putting back together, sold for
>   CAD$30K = US$22.5K.
> 
>   Julian
> 
>> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 20:40:25 -0700
>> To: bill at incendium.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 71 red messed up PB.
>> From: detomaso at poca.com
>> CC: detomaso at poca.com
>> 
>> Uh...what?
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2015, at 18:57, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> $40k
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bill Moore
>>> Incendium Supply
>>> Calgary
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 16:51:20 +0000 (UTC)
> From: mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
> To: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Thermostat
> Message-ID:
>    <1479489547.1351068.1443286280059.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> ? I just picked up a thermostat at Des Moines Napa warehouse last week. 
> Napa 297????????????? 192/195 degree???????? $6.99
> I know they have 1 more at least.
> Mark
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>     I just picked up a thermostat at Des Moines Napa warehouse last week.
>   Napa 297              192/195 degree         $6.99
>   I know they have 1 more at least.
>   Mark
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 10:01:31 -0700
> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> To: "'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'" <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>,    "'Cullen McCann'"
>    <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>,    "'Larry Finch'" <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Cc: "'DeTomaso Forum'" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
> Message-ID: <00c501d0f87c$fe48c740$fada55c0$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thank you finally for a visual to go along with all of the explanations!
> Mike Thomas
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 3:44 PM
> To: 'Cullen McCann' <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Larry Finch' <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Cc: 'DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
> 
> The "hat" is the copper piece and the plate is the thing on the left This is a Marlin Jack -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 18:29 PM
> To: Larry Finch
> Cc: DeTomaso Forum
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
> 
> Thank you all for the education. The one thing worth noting on the ebay ad, is that the seller says the "special plates" required for the 351c are not included. he doesn't use the term hats, but I suspect he is talking about the same thing?
> Cullen
> 
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com
>> wrote:
> 
>> Something not yet noted in this thread?.
>> 
>> The Robert Shaw 333 series is a Cleveland (with the ?hat?) ? high flow 
>> ? thermostat.
>> 
>> This is, I believe, the style originally used by Ford.
>> 
>> The readily available thermostats at the parts houses are correct for 
>> the Cleveland, but they are not the high flow design.
>> 
>> That feature is what drives the high interest in the Robert Shaw 333 
>> stats, not that they are the only fish in the sea.
>> 
>> Just the only OEM style. And no longer made.
>> 
>> CA owner Marlin Jack, a skilled machinist, is buying the 330 series RS 
>> stats (with the same high flow design as the 333 series) to which he 
>> installs a machined ?hat?, thus creating a 333 series stat correct for 
>> the Cleveland. On eBay.
>> 
>> Larry - two parts houses stats - left side high flow, right side, not 
>> so much
>> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 11:44:33 -0700
> From: Paul Rimov <rimovp at gmail.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Sit down
> Message-ID: <144CCFB6-65F5-470A-9AC2-1107948AFA37 at gmail.com>
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> 
> Ok,,, check these out,,, http://www.ebay.com/itm/02-Lotus-Esprit-front-leather-seats-black-oem-/271994175166?hash=item3f541dbebe&vxp=mtr ,,, These are the same seats I had in my car and they were the bomb. They were comfortable, they provided me and my grotesquely disproportional elongated body enough head room that my head was not constantly rubbing the head liner when I drove,  they provided more than adequate lateral support during spirited drives and  looked and fit perfectly in my car.  I encourage any one looking for a seating option to get these for their car,,, period exclamation point. 
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> Cheers
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> Paul 
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