[DeTomaso] De Tomaso specific Wiki
Dave Londry
davel at emspace.com
Mon Sep 14 15:34:53 EDT 2015
Is this relevant?
*wikicars*.org/en/De_Tomaso_*Pantera*
dave
On 14/09/2015 12:17 PM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:
> There already is a Pantera (DeTomaso) specific Wiki.
>
> I no longer remember which Pantera owner manages it.
>
> No I no longer have the direct link.... an old computer died.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Larry - Ohio Time
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:26 AM
> To: 'Julian Kift'; 'Rob Dumoulin'; 'Himes, Terry 397C'
> Cc: 'MikeLDrew at aol.com'; 'Ken Green'; 'Jack Deryke'; mbefthomas at comcast.net; 'De Tomaso List'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>
> I think Terry is looking for the Wikipedia to share our vast knowledge of the history of DeTomaso / Pantera with the general public and us too. I feel it is important to record this information before it is lost. We have many people who have been to the plants, talked to everyone, photos, ect. What did we loose when Gary Hall passed on???
>
> We have many resources (www.panteraplace.com) for more of the nutz and boltz stuff.
>
> Larry (loves history) - Cleveland
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:13 PM
> To: Rob Dumoulin; Himes, Terry 397C
> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; Ken Green; Jack Deryke; mbefthomas at comcast.net; De Tomaso List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>
> Good idea, what you suggest is like a Pantera Owners website with a discussion forum where all that can be located, oh wait we have that and no one uses it......
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:48:52 -0400
> From: rob at dumoulins.net
> To: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> CC: MikeLDrew at aol.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; jderyke at aol.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; DeTomaso at poca.com
>
> Terry,
>
> I agree that a wiki approach for the Pantera would be great. Are you
> suggesting adding topics to the global wikipedia are creating a private
> wiki site?
>
> Imagine if each of us could put in particular mods with part numbers and a
> brief description of function/fit and the site was organized by system
> (cooling, suspension, glass, transmission, brakes, A/C, interior, exterior,
> electrical, etc.) and part (brake rotor, caliper, brake lines, master
> cylinder, brake fluid).
>
> I often wondered what all my options are for rebuilding a certain component
> of my car (and I am close to having addressed every one of them so far) and
> probably could have saved some time and money if such a knowledge base
> existed. I certainly would have been able to make better decisions along
> the way, at least when I did not pose a question to the group here..
>
> Rob DuMoulin
> 904.476.8744
> rob at dumoulins.net
> www.kbsi.co
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
> terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Ya kow.. you guys are a encyclopedia of Pantera tribal knowledge. I was
>> thinking, since our Pantera's are going
>> to be around for a long time we should start WikiPedia for Pantera's. The
>> MediaWiki it's is built on is free. I set one
>> up for JPL and we use it to capture the same kind of tribal knowledge
>> about spaceflight. Hmmmm? Internally we
>> don't need it monitored and everyone is authenticated. But on the
>> Internet it would have to be monitored. I think
>> I head that Wikipedia gets 7000 updates every hour, 24/7. (I might not
>> remember correctly, but a lot) It wouldn't
>> be open to the public, but probably should use the POCA login. ?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> *"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life *
>>
>> * exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried*
>>
>> * to contact us!"*
>>
>>
>> *Terry W. Himes *
>>
>> *JPL** Jet Propulsion Laboratory*
>>
>> *InSight Sequence Team Lead*
>>
>> *Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead*
>>
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>>
>> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>>
>> *thimes at jpl.nasa.gov <thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>*
>>
>> 🇺🇸
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of POCA <
>> detomaso at poca.com>
>> Reply-To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:26 AM
>> To: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
>> Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "jderyke at aol.com" <jderyke at aol.com>,
>> "mbefthomas at comcast.net" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, POCA <detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>>
>> I'm glad jack reminded us. It's Ron Wade who sells double rear
>> windows--presumably two pieces of safety glass. Your glass shop can
>> probably replicate that though?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
>>
>> That was my confusion last night with the replies.
>> Rob DuMoulin
>> 904.476.8744
>> [1]rob at dumoulins.net
>> [2]www.kbsi.co
>> [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> I thought standard automotive window glass wasA two layers of safety
>> glass with an adhesive between them?A
>> That is not the same as double pane residential glass that have a gas
>> filled gap between theA panes.
>> Ken
>> A
>> __________________________________________________________________
>> From: Will Kooiman <[5]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> To: [6]jderyke at aol.com; [7]mbefthomas at comcast.net;
>> [8]ehpantera at yahoo.com; [9]rob at dumoulins.net; [10]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 4:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>> A My glass had the same thickness as the original.A Maybe it isn't
>> double
>> A pane.A I told the glass shop what I needed, and they said, "Oh, you
>> A need double pane safety glass."
>> A The bummer was that I polished the original glass, and it looked
>> A perfect.A I broke it while I was reinstalling it.A That's why I
>> had to
>> A buy new glass in the first place.
>> A Kirby - I may have used the same guy you used.A The shop is
>> Woodlands
>> A Car Care, on Budde Rd, just south of Sawdust.
>> A From: <[1][11]jderyke at aol.com>
>> A Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 2:56 AM
>> A To: <[2][12]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, Will Kooiman
>> A <[3][13]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, <[4][14]ehpantera at yahoo.com>,
>> A <[5][15]rob at dumoulins.net>, <[6][16]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>> A Short answer: yes. I used my OEM 1972 rubber gasket with no
>> problems.
>> A And you get to choose whether the secondary pane protrudes into the
>> A cockpit or into the engine bay. The distance is about 1/4" so its no
>> A big deal.
>> Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
>> A -----Original Message-----
>> A From: Mike Thomas <[7][17]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>> A To: 'Will Kooiman' <[8][18]will.kooiman at gmail.com>; 'mark skwarek'
>> A <[9][19]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; jderyke <[10][20]jderyke at aol.com>; rob
>> A <[11][21]rob at dumoulins.net>; DeTomaso <[12][22]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>> A Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 5:18 pm
>> A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>> Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
>> -----Original
>> Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> <[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf Of
>> Will Kooiman
>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:59 PM
>> To: mark skwarek
>> <[14][24]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; [15][25]jderyke at aol.com;
>> [16][26]rob at dumoulins.net;
>> [17][27]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>> I
>> had double pane safety glass made at a local glass shop.A Mine was
>> cracked, so
>> they could use it as a template.
>> It was cheap too - under $100, if I recall
>> correctly.
>> On 9/10/15, 5:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of mark skwarek via
>> DeTomaso"
>> <[18][28]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
>> [19][29]detomaso at poca.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A Some racing organizations require a non-combustible material
>>
>> separate
>>
>> A the engine compartment from the passenger compartment.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> A On Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>>
>> <[20][30]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>
>> A A FWIW, Larry Stock of PPC-Reno sells an exact
>>
>> Lexan repro. Ron Wade in
>>
>> A A WA made a few double-pane rear windows for extra
>>
>> sound deadening; I
>>
>> A A have one.A Normally the rear window never gives
>>
>> trouble except during
>>
>> A A an engine pull when the distributor cap is left in
>>
>> place & contacts
>>
>> A the
>> A A window during the pull.A One owner found that
>>
>> Weber velocity stacks
>>
>> A A also can break the glass during engine removals.
>>
>> The window is sort
>>
>> A of
>> A A part of the rear firewall, but in engine
>>
>> fires, the glass invariably
>>
>> A A shatters early, so using Lexan likely does
>>
>> not degrade the "safety"
>>
>> A A aspect much. Most 'GR-4s' use plexiglas windows
>>
>> so the rear legs of
>>
>> A the
>> A A factory roll cage can extend though to the
>>
>> rear fenders. One year at
>>
>> A A Bonneville, a Swedish Pantera showed up to run
>>
>> like this, and the
>>
>> A SCTA
>> A A Tech Inspectors made them remove the Lexan
>>
>> window and substitute a
>>
>> A thin
>> A A galvanized steel sheet!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> A A From: Rob Dumoulin <[1][21][31]rob at dumoulins.net>
>>
>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <[2][22][32]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>
>> A A Sent: Thu, Sep
>>
>> 10, 2015 12:20 pm
>>
>> A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>> A Is there anything
>>
>> special about the rear glass?AA It being flat makes
>>
>> A A me
>> A think that I
>>
>> would not have to go through a vendor and get one made
>>
>> A A just for
>> A a
>>
>> Pantera.
>>
>> A A RobA
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Is this relevant?
wikicars.org/en/De_Tomaso_Pantera
dave
On 14/09/2015 12:17 PM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:
There already is a Pantera (DeTomaso) specific Wiki.
I no longer remember which Pantera owner manages it.
No I no longer have the direct link.... an old computer died.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Larry - Ohio T
ime
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:26 AM
To: 'Julian Kift'; 'Rob Dumoulin'; 'Himes, Terry 397C'
Cc: '[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com'; 'Ken Green'; 'Jack Deryke'; [3]mbefthomas at comcast.ne
t; 'De Tomaso List'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
I think Terry is looking for the Wikipedia to share our vast knowledge of the hi
story of DeTomaso / Pantera with the general public and us too. I feel it is imp
ortant to record this information before it is lost. We have many people who hav
e been to the plants, talked to everyone, photos, ect. What did we loose when G
ary Hall passed on???
We have many resources ([4]www.panteraplace.com) for more of the nutz and boltz
stuff.
Larry (loves history) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:13 PM
To: Rob Dumoulin; Himes, Terry 397C
Cc: [6]MikeLDrew at aol.com; Ken Green; Jack Deryke; [7]mbefthomas at comcast.net; De
Tomaso List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
Good idea, what you suggest is like a Pantera Owners website with a discussion f
orum where all that can be located, oh wait we have that and no one uses it.....
.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:48:52 -0400
From: [8]rob at dumoulins.net
To: [9]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
CC: [10]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [11]kenn_green at yahoo.com; [12]jderyke at aol.com; [13]mb
efthomas at comcast.net; [14]DeTomaso at poca.com
Terry,
I agree that a wiki approach for the Pantera would be great. Are you
suggesting adding topics to the global wikipedia are creating a private
wiki site?
Imagine if each of us could put in particular mods with part numbers and a
brief description of function/fit and the site was organized by system
(cooling, suspension, glass, transmission, brakes, A/C, interior, exterior,
electrical, etc.) and part (brake rotor, caliper, brake lines, master
cylinder, brake fluid).
I often wondered what all my options are for rebuilding a certain component
of my car (and I am close to having addressed every one of them so far) and
probably could have saved some time and money if such a knowledge base
existed. I certainly would have been able to make better decisions along
the way, at least when I did not pose a question to the group here..
Rob DuMoulin
904.476.8744
[15]rob at dumoulins.net
[16]www.kbsi.co
[17]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
[18]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
Ya kow.. you guys are a encyclopedia of Pantera tribal knowledge. I was
thinking, since our Pantera's are going
to be around for a long time we should start WikiPedia for Pantera's. The
MediaWiki it's is built on is free. I set one
up for JPL and we use it to capture the same kind of tribal knowledge
about spaceflight. Hmmmm? Internally we
don't need it monitored and everyone is authenticated. But on the
Internet it would have to be monitored. I think
I head that Wikipedia gets 7000 updates every hour, 24/7. (I might not
remember correctly, but a lot) It wouldn't
be open to the public, but probably should use the POCA login. ?
Thoughts?
*"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life *
* exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried*
* to contact us!"*
*Terry W. Himes *
*JPL** Jet Propulsion Laboratory*
*InSight Sequence Team Lead*
*Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead*
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
*thimes at jpl.nasa.gov [19]<thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>*
From: DeTomaso [20]<detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of POCA <
[21]detomaso at poca.com>
Reply-To: Mike Drew [22]<MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:26 AM
To: Rob Dumoulin [23]<rob at dumoulins.net>
Cc: Ken Green [24]<kenn_green at yahoo.com>, [25]"jderyke at aol.com" [26]<jderyke at aol
.com>,
[27]"mbefthomas at comcast.net" [28]<mbefthomas at comcast.net>, POCA <[29]detomaso at po
ca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
I'm glad jack reminded us. It's Ron Wade who sells double rear
windows--presumably two pieces of safety glass. Your glass shop can
probably replicate that though?
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39, Rob Dumoulin [30]<rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
That was my confusion last night with the replies.
Rob DuMoulin
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On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ken Green [33]<[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
wrote:
I thought standard automotive window glass wasA two layers of safety
glass with an adhesive between them?A
That is not the same as double pane residential glass that have a gas
filled gap between theA panes.
Ken
A
__________________________________________________________________
From: Will Kooiman [34]<[5]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: [[35]6]jderyke at aol.com; [[36]7]mbefthomas at comcast.net;
[[37]8]ehpantera at yahoo.com; [[38]9]rob at dumoulins.net; [[39]10]DeTomaso at poca.c
om
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A My glass had the same thickness as the original.A Maybe it isn't
double
A pane.A I told the glass shop what I needed, and they said, "Oh, you
A need double pane safety glass."
A The bummer was that I polished the original glass, and it looked
A perfect.A I broke it while I was reinstalling it.A That's why I
had to
A buy new glass in the first place.
A Kirby - I may have used the same guy you used.A The shop is
Woodlands
A Car Care, on Budde Rd, just south of Sawdust.
A From: [40]<[1][11]jderyke at aol.com>
A Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 2:56 AM
A To: [41]<[2][12]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, Will Kooiman
A [42]<[3][13]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, [43]<[4][14]ehpantera at yahoo.com>,
A [44]<[5][15]rob at dumoulins.net>, [45]<[6][16]DeTomaso at poca.com>
A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A Short answer: yes. I used my OEM 1972 rubber gasket with no
problems.
A And you get to choose whether the secondary pane protrudes into the
A cockpit or into the engine bay. The distance is about 1/4" so its no
A big deal.
Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
A -----Original Message-----
A From: Mike Thomas [46]<[7][17]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
A To: 'Will Kooiman' [47]<[8][18]will.kooiman at gmail.com>; 'mark skwarek'
A [48]<[9][19]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; jderyke [49]<[10][20]jderyke at aol.com>; r
ob
A [50]<[11][21]rob at dumoulins.net>; DeTomaso [51]<[12][22]DeTomaso at poca.com>
A Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 5:18 pm
A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
-----Original
Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:[[52]23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
[53]<[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf Of
Will Kooiman
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:59 PM
To: mark skwarek
[54]<[14][24]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; [15][[55]25]jderyke at aol.com;
[16][[56]26]rob at dumoulins.net;
[17][[57]27]DeTomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
I
had double pane safety glass made at a local glass shop.A Mine was
cracked, so
they could use it as a template.
It was cheap too - under $100, if I recall
correctly.
On 9/10/15, 5:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of mark skwarek via
DeTomaso"
[58]<[18][28]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
[19][29]detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
A Some racing organizations require a non-combustible material
separate
A the engine compartment from the passenger compartment.
Mark
A On Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
[59]<[20][30]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
A A FWIW, Larry Stock of PPC-Reno sells an exact
Lexan repro. Ron Wade in
A A WA made a few double-pane rear windows for extra
sound deadening; I
A A have one.A Normally the rear window never gives
trouble except during
A A an engine pull when the distributor cap is left in
place & contacts
A the
A A window during the pull.A One owner found that
Weber velocity stacks
A A also can break the glass during engine removals.
The window is sort
A of
A A part of the rear firewall, but in engine
fires, the glass invariably
A A shatters early, so using Lexan likely does
not degrade the "safety"
A A aspect much. Most 'GR-4s' use plexiglas windows
so the rear legs of
A the
A A factory roll cage can extend though to the
rear fenders. One year at
A A Bonneville, a Swedish Pantera showed up to run
like this, and the
A SCTA
A A Tech Inspectors made them remove the Lexan
window and substitute a
A thin
A A galvanized steel sheet!
-----Original Message-----
A A From: Rob Dumoulin [60]<[1][21][31]rob at dumoulins.net>
To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List [61]<[2][22][32]DeTomaso at poca.com>
A A Sent: Thu, Sep
10, 2015 12:20 pm
A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A Is there anything
special about the rear glass?AA It being flat makes
A A me
A think that I
would not have to go through a vendor and get one made
A A just for
A a
Pantera.
A A RobA
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