[DeTomaso] De Tomaso specific Wiki

Dave Londry davel at emspace.com
Mon Sep 14 15:34:53 EDT 2015


Is this relevant?
*wikicars*.org/en/De_Tomaso_*Pantera*

dave

On 14/09/2015 12:17 PM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:
> There already is a Pantera (DeTomaso) specific Wiki.
>
> I no longer remember which Pantera owner manages it.
>
> No I no longer have the direct link.... an old computer died.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Larry - Ohio Time
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:26 AM
> To: 'Julian Kift'; 'Rob Dumoulin'; 'Himes, Terry 397C'
> Cc: 'MikeLDrew at aol.com'; 'Ken Green'; 'Jack Deryke'; mbefthomas at comcast.net; 'De Tomaso List'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>
> I think Terry is looking for the Wikipedia to share our vast knowledge of the history of DeTomaso / Pantera with the general public and us too. I feel it is important to record this information before it is lost. We have many people who have been to the plants, talked to everyone, photos, ect.  What did we loose when Gary Hall passed on???
>
> We have many resources (www.panteraplace.com) for more of the nutz and boltz stuff.
>
> Larry (loves history) - Cleveland
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:13 PM
> To: Rob Dumoulin; Himes, Terry 397C
> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; Ken Green; Jack Deryke; mbefthomas at comcast.net; De Tomaso List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>
> Good idea, what you suggest is like a Pantera Owners website with a discussion forum where all that can be located, oh wait we have that and no one uses it......
>   
> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:48:52 -0400
> From: rob at dumoulins.net
> To: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> CC: MikeLDrew at aol.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; jderyke at aol.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; DeTomaso at poca.com
>
> Terry,
>   
> I agree that a wiki approach for the Pantera would be great. Are you
> suggesting adding topics to the global wikipedia are creating a private
> wiki site?
>   
> Imagine if each of us could put in particular mods with part numbers and a
> brief description of function/fit and the site was organized by system
> (cooling, suspension, glass, transmission, brakes, A/C, interior, exterior,
> electrical, etc.) and part (brake rotor, caliper, brake lines, master
> cylinder, brake fluid).
>   
> I often wondered what all my options are for rebuilding a certain component
> of my car (and I am close to having addressed every one of them so far) and
> probably could have saved some time and money if such a knowledge base
> existed.  I certainly would have been able to make better decisions along
> the way, at least when I did not pose a question to the group here..
>   
> Rob DuMoulin
> 904.476.8744
> rob at dumoulins.net
> www.kbsi.co
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>   
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
> terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>   
>> Ya kow.. you guys are a encyclopedia of Pantera tribal knowledge.  I was
>> thinking, since our Pantera's are going
>> to be around for a long time we should start WikiPedia for Pantera's.  The
>> MediaWiki it's is built on is free.   I set one
>> up for JPL and we use it to capture the same kind of tribal knowledge
>> about spaceflight.   Hmmmm?   Internally we
>> don't need it monitored and everyone is authenticated.   But on the
>> Internet it would have to be monitored.  I think
>> I head that Wikipedia gets 7000 updates every hour, 24/7.  (I might not
>> remember correctly, but a lot)   It wouldn't
>> be open to the public, but probably should use the POCA login. ?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> *"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life *
>>
>> *  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried*
>>
>> *  to contact us!"*
>>
>>
>> *Terry W. Himes *
>>
>> *JPL** Jet Propulsion Laboratory*
>>
>> *InSight Sequence Team Lead*
>>
>> *Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead*
>>
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>
>> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
>>
>> Fax:     (818) 393-3147
>>
>> *thimes at jpl.nasa.gov <thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>*
>>
>> 🇺🇸
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of POCA <
>> detomaso at poca.com>
>> Reply-To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:26 AM
>> To: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
>> Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "jderyke at aol.com" <jderyke at aol.com>,
>> "mbefthomas at comcast.net" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, POCA <detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>>
>> I'm glad jack reminded us. It's Ron Wade who sells double rear
>> windows--presumably two pieces of safety glass. Your glass shop can
>> probably replicate that though?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
>>
>>     That was my confusion last night with the replies.
>>     Rob DuMoulin
>>     904.476.8744
>>     [1]rob at dumoulins.net
>>     [2]www.kbsi.co
>>     [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>     On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>     wrote:
>>     I thought standard automotive window glass wasA two layers of safety
>>     glass with an adhesive between them?A
>>     That is not the same as double pane residential glass that have a gas
>>     filled gap between theA panes.
>>     Ken
>>     A
>>       __________________________________________________________________
>>     From: Will Kooiman <[5]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>>     To: [6]jderyke at aol.com; [7]mbefthomas at comcast.net;
>>     [8]ehpantera at yahoo.com; [9]rob at dumoulins.net; [10]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>     Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 4:19 AM
>>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>>     A  My glass had the same thickness as the original.A  Maybe it isn't
>>     double
>>     A  pane.A  I told the glass shop what I needed, and they said, "Oh, you
>>     A  need double pane safety glass."
>>     A  The bummer was that I polished the original glass, and it looked
>>     A  perfect.A  I broke it while I was reinstalling it.A  That's why I
>>     had to
>>     A  buy new glass in the first place.
>>     A  Kirby - I may have used the same guy you used.A  The shop is
>>     Woodlands
>>     A  Car Care, on Budde Rd, just south of Sawdust.
>>     A  From: <[1][11]jderyke at aol.com>
>>     A  Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 2:56 AM
>>     A  To: <[2][12]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, Will Kooiman
>>     A  <[3][13]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, <[4][14]ehpantera at yahoo.com>,
>>     A  <[5][15]rob at dumoulins.net>, <[6][16]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>     A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>>     A  Short answer: yes. I used my OEM 1972 rubber gasket with no
>>     problems.
>>     A  And you get to choose whether the secondary pane protrudes into the
>>     A  cockpit or into the engine bay. The distance is about 1/4" so its no
>>     A  big deal.
>>     Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
>>     A  -----Original Message-----
>>     A  From: Mike Thomas <[7][17]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>>     A  To: 'Will Kooiman' <[8][18]will.kooiman at gmail.com>; 'mark skwarek'
>>     A  <[9][19]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; jderyke <[10][20]jderyke at aol.com>; rob
>>     A  <[11][21]rob at dumoulins.net>; DeTomaso <[12][22]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>     A  Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 5:18 pm
>>     A  Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>>     Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
>>     -----Original
>>     Message-----
>>     From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> <[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf Of
>>     Will Kooiman
>>     Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:59 PM
>>     To: mark skwarek
>>     <[14][24]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; [15][25]jderyke at aol.com;
>>     [16][26]rob at dumoulins.net;
>>     [17][27]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>>     I
>>     had double pane safety glass made at a local glass shop.A  Mine was
>>     cracked, so
>>     they could use it as a template.
>>     It was cheap too - under $100, if I recall
>>     correctly.
>>     On 9/10/15, 5:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of mark skwarek via
>>     DeTomaso"
>>     <[18][28]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
>>     [19][29]detomaso at poca.com>
>>     wrote:
>>
>> A  Some racing organizations require a non-combustible material
>>
>>     separate
>>
>> A  the engine compartment from the passenger compartment.
>>
>>     Mark
>>
>> A  On Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>>
>>     <[20][30]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>
>> A  A  FWIW, Larry Stock of PPC-Reno sells an exact
>>
>>     Lexan repro. Ron Wade in
>>
>> A  A  WA made a few double-pane rear windows for extra
>>
>>     sound deadening; I
>>
>> A  A  have one.A  Normally the rear window never gives
>>
>>     trouble except during
>>
>> A  A  an engine pull when the distributor cap is left in
>>
>>     place & contacts
>>
>> A  the
>> A  A  window during the pull.A  One owner found that
>>
>>     Weber velocity stacks
>>
>> A  A  also can break the glass during engine removals.
>>
>>     The window is sort
>>
>> A  of
>> A  A  part of the rear firewall, but in engine
>>
>>     fires, the glass invariably
>>
>> A  A  shatters early, so using Lexan likely does
>>
>>     not degrade the "safety"
>>
>> A  A  aspect much. Most 'GR-4s' use plexiglas windows
>>
>>     so the rear legs of
>>
>> A  the
>> A  A  factory roll cage can extend though to the
>>
>>     rear fenders. One year at
>>
>> A  A  Bonneville, a Swedish Pantera showed up to run
>>
>>     like this, and the
>>
>> A  SCTA
>> A  A  Tech Inspectors made them remove the Lexan
>>
>>     window and substitute a
>>
>> A  thin
>> A  A  galvanized steel sheet!
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>
>> A  A  From: Rob Dumoulin <[1][21][31]rob at dumoulins.net>
>>
>>     To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <[2][22][32]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>
>> A  A  Sent: Thu, Sep
>>
>>     10, 2015 12:20 pm
>>
>> A  A  Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>> A  Is there anything
>>
>>     special about the rear glass?AA  It being flat makes
>>
>> A  A  me
>> A  think that I
>>
>>     would not have to go through a vendor and get one made
>>
>> A  A  just for
>> A  a
>>
>>     Pantera.
>>
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>>     A  4. mailto:[54]ehpantera at yahoo.com <[54]ehpantera at yahoo.com>
>>     A  5. mailto:[55]rob at dumoulins.net <[55]rob at dumoulins.net>
>>     A  6. mailto:[56]DeTomaso at poca.com <[56]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>     A  7. mailto:[57]mbefthomas at comcast.net <[57]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>>     A  8. mailto:[58]will.kooiman at gmail.com <[58]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>>     A  9. mailto:[59]ehpantera at yahoo.com <[59]ehpantera at yahoo.com>
>>     A  10. mailto:[60]jderyke at aol.com <[60]jderyke at aol.com>
>>     A  11. mailto:[61]rob at dumoulins.net <[61]rob at dumoulins.net>
>>     A  12. mailto:[62]DeTomaso at poca.com <[62]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>     A  13. mailto:[63]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
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>>     A  14. mailto:[64]ehpantera at yahoo.com <[64]ehpantera at yahoo.com>
>>     A  15. mailto:[65]jderyke at aol.com <[65]jderyke at aol.com>
>>     A  16. mailto:[66]rob at dumoulins.net <[66]rob at dumoulins.net>
>>     A  17. mailto:[67]DeTomaso at poca.com <[67]DeTomaso at poca.com>
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>>     A  21. mailto:[71]rob at dumoulins.net <[71]rob at dumoulins.net>
>>     A  22. mailto:[72]DeTomaso at poca.com <[72]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>     A  23. mailto:[73]DeTomaso at poca.com <[73]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>     A  24. [74]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>     A  25. mailto:[5][75]DeTomaso at poca.com <[5][75]DeTomaso at poca.com>?
>>     A  26. [76]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>>     A  32. [82]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>>     8. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
>>     9. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>    10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>    11. mailto:jderyke at aol.com <jderyke at aol.com>
>>    12. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>>    13. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>>    14. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
>>    15. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>    16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>    17. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>>    18. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>>    19. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
>>    20. mailto:jderyke at aol.com <jderyke at aol.com>
>>    21. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>    22. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>    23. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>
>>    24. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
>>    25. mailto:jderyke at aol.com <jderyke at aol.com>
>>    26. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>    27. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
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>>    29. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <detomaso at poca.com>
>>    30. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <detomaso at poca.com>
>>    31. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>    32. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>    33. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>    34. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>    35. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
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>>    39. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>    40. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>    41. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>    42. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>    43. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>    44. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>    45. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
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>>    47. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
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>>    49. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>>    50. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>    51. mailto:jderyke at aol.com <jderyke at aol.com>
>>    52. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>>    53. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>>    54. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
>>    55. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>    56. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <DeTomaso at poca.com>
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   Is this relevant?

   wikicars.org/en/De_Tomaso_Pantera

   dave

   On 14/09/2015 12:17 PM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:

There already is a Pantera (DeTomaso) specific Wiki.

I no longer remember which Pantera owner manages it.

No I no longer have the direct link.... an old computer died.

Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Larry - Ohio T
ime
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:26 AM
To: 'Julian Kift'; 'Rob Dumoulin'; 'Himes, Terry 397C'
Cc: '[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com'; 'Ken Green'; 'Jack Deryke'; [3]mbefthomas at comcast.ne
t; 'De Tomaso List'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass

I think Terry is looking for the Wikipedia to share our vast knowledge of the hi
story of DeTomaso / Pantera with the general public and us too. I feel it is imp
ortant to record this information before it is lost. We have many people who hav
e been to the plants, talked to everyone, photos, ect.  What did we loose when G
ary Hall passed on???

We have many resources ([4]www.panteraplace.com) for more of the nutz and boltz
stuff.

Larry (loves history) - Cleveland



-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:13 PM
To: Rob Dumoulin; Himes, Terry 397C
Cc: [6]MikeLDrew at aol.com; Ken Green; Jack Deryke; [7]mbefthomas at comcast.net; De
Tomaso List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass

Good idea, what you suggest is like a Pantera Owners website with a discussion f
orum where all that can be located, oh wait we have that and no one uses it.....
.

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:48:52 -0400
From: [8]rob at dumoulins.net
To: [9]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
CC: [10]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [11]kenn_green at yahoo.com; [12]jderyke at aol.com; [13]mb
efthomas at comcast.net; [14]DeTomaso at poca.com

Terry,

I agree that a wiki approach for the Pantera would be great. Are you
suggesting adding topics to the global wikipedia are creating a private
wiki site?

Imagine if each of us could put in particular mods with part numbers and a
brief description of function/fit and the site was organized by system
(cooling, suspension, glass, transmission, brakes, A/C, interior, exterior,
electrical, etc.) and part (brake rotor, caliper, brake lines, master
cylinder, brake fluid).

I often wondered what all my options are for rebuilding a certain component
of my car (and I am close to having addressed every one of them so far) and
probably could have saved some time and money if such a knowledge base
existed.  I certainly would have been able to make better decisions along
the way, at least when I did not pose a question to the group here..

Rob DuMoulin
904.476.8744
[15]rob at dumoulins.net
[16]www.kbsi.co
[17]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58

On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
[18]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:


Ya kow.. you guys are a encyclopedia of Pantera tribal knowledge.  I was
thinking, since our Pantera's are going
to be around for a long time we should start WikiPedia for Pantera's.  The
MediaWiki it's is built on is free.   I set one
up for JPL and we use it to capture the same kind of tribal knowledge
about spaceflight.   Hmmmm?   Internally we
don't need it monitored and everyone is authenticated.   But on the
Internet it would have to be monitored.  I think
I head that Wikipedia gets 7000 updates every hour, 24/7.  (I might not
remember correctly, but a lot)   It wouldn't
be open to the public, but probably should use the POCA login. ?

Thoughts?



*"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life *

*  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried*

*  to contact us!"*


*Terry W. Himes *

*JPL** Jet Propulsion Laboratory*

*InSight Sequence Team Lead*

*Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead*

Phone: (818) 393-6261

Cell:     (818) 653-8213

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From: DeTomaso [20]<detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of POCA <
[21]detomaso at poca.com>
Reply-To: Mike Drew [22]<MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:26 AM
To: Rob Dumoulin [23]<rob at dumoulins.net>
Cc: Ken Green [24]<kenn_green at yahoo.com>, [25]"jderyke at aol.com" [26]<jderyke at aol
.com>,
[27]"mbefthomas at comcast.net" [28]<mbefthomas at comcast.net>, POCA <[29]detomaso at po
ca.com


Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass

I'm glad jack reminded us. It's Ron Wade who sells double rear
windows--presumably two pieces of safety glass. Your glass shop can
probably replicate that though?

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39, Rob Dumoulin [30]<rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:

   That was my confusion last night with the replies.
   Rob DuMoulin
   904.476.8744
   [[31]1]rob at dumoulins.net
   [2]www.kbsi.co
   [3][32]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
   On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ken Green [33]<[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   wrote:
   I thought standard automotive window glass wasA two layers of safety
   glass with an adhesive between them?A
   That is not the same as double pane residential glass that have a gas
   filled gap between theA panes.
   Ken
   A
     __________________________________________________________________
   From: Will Kooiman [34]<[5]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   To: [[35]6]jderyke at aol.com; [[36]7]mbefthomas at comcast.net;
   [[37]8]ehpantera at yahoo.com; [[38]9]rob at dumoulins.net; [[39]10]DeTomaso at poca.c
om
   Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 4:19 AM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
   A  My glass had the same thickness as the original.A  Maybe it isn't
   double
   A  pane.A  I told the glass shop what I needed, and they said, "Oh, you
   A  need double pane safety glass."
   A  The bummer was that I polished the original glass, and it looked
   A  perfect.A  I broke it while I was reinstalling it.A  That's why I
   had to
   A  buy new glass in the first place.
   A  Kirby - I may have used the same guy you used.A  The shop is
   Woodlands
   A  Car Care, on Budde Rd, just south of Sawdust.
   A  From: [40]<[1][11]jderyke at aol.com>
   A  Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 2:56 AM
   A  To: [41]<[2][12]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, Will Kooiman
   A  [42]<[3][13]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, [43]<[4][14]ehpantera at yahoo.com>,
   A  [44]<[5][15]rob at dumoulins.net>, [45]<[6][16]DeTomaso at poca.com>
   A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
   A  Short answer: yes. I used my OEM 1972 rubber gasket with no
   problems.
   A  And you get to choose whether the secondary pane protrudes into the
   A  cockpit or into the engine bay. The distance is about 1/4" so its no
   A  big deal.
   Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
   A  -----Original Message-----
   A  From: Mike Thomas [46]<[7][17]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
   A  To: 'Will Kooiman' [47]<[8][18]will.kooiman at gmail.com>; 'mark skwarek'
   A  [48]<[9][19]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; jderyke [49]<[10][20]jderyke at aol.com>; r
ob
   A  [50]<[11][21]rob at dumoulins.net>; DeTomaso [51]<[12][22]DeTomaso at poca.com>
   A  Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 5:18 pm
   A  Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
   Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
   -----Original
   Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:[[52]23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
[53]<[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf Of
   Will Kooiman
   Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:59 PM
   To: mark skwarek
   [54]<[14][24]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; [15][[55]25]jderyke at aol.com;
   [16][[56]26]rob at dumoulins.net;
   [17][[57]27]DeTomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
   I
   had double pane safety glass made at a local glass shop.A  Mine was
   cracked, so
   they could use it as a template.
   It was cheap too - under $100, if I recall
   correctly.
   On 9/10/15, 5:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of mark skwarek via
   DeTomaso"
   [58]<[18][28]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
   [19][29]detomaso at poca.com>
   wrote:

A  Some racing organizations require a non-combustible material

   separate

A  the engine compartment from the passenger compartment.

   Mark

A  On Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso

   [59]<[20][30]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:

A  A  FWIW, Larry Stock of PPC-Reno sells an exact

   Lexan repro. Ron Wade in

A  A  WA made a few double-pane rear windows for extra

   sound deadening; I

A  A  have one.A  Normally the rear window never gives

   trouble except during

A  A  an engine pull when the distributor cap is left in

   place & contacts

A  the
A  A  window during the pull.A  One owner found that

   Weber velocity stacks

A  A  also can break the glass during engine removals.

   The window is sort

A  of
A  A  part of the rear firewall, but in engine

   fires, the glass invariably

A  A  shatters early, so using Lexan likely does

   not degrade the "safety"

A  A  aspect much. Most 'GR-4s' use plexiglas windows

   so the rear legs of

A  the
A  A  factory roll cage can extend though to the

   rear fenders. One year at

A  A  Bonneville, a Swedish Pantera showed up to run

   like this, and the

A  SCTA
A  A  Tech Inspectors made them remove the Lexan

   window and substitute a

A  thin
A  A  galvanized steel sheet!

   -----Original Message-----

A  A  From: Rob Dumoulin [60]<[1][21][31]rob at dumoulins.net>

   To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List [61]<[2][22][32]DeTomaso at poca.com>

A  A  Sent: Thu, Sep

   10, 2015 12:20 pm

A  A  Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A  Is there anything

   special about the rear glass?AA  It being flat makes

A  A  me
A  think that I

   would not have to go through a vendor and get one made

A  A  just for
A  a

   Pantera.

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  86. mailto:51]jderyke at aol.com
  87. mailto:[51]jderyke at aol.com
  88. mailto:52]mbefthomas at comcast.net
  89. mailto:[52]mbefthomas at comcast.net
  90. mailto:53]will.kooiman at gmail.com
  91. mailto:[53]will.kooiman at gmail.com
  92. mailto:54]ehpantera at yahoo.com
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  94. mailto:55]rob at dumoulins.net
  95. mailto:[55]rob at dumoulins.net
  96. mailto:56]DeTomaso at poca.com
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 100. mailto:58]will.kooiman at gmail.com
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 102. mailto:59]ehpantera at yahoo.com
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 105. mailto:[60]jderyke at aol.com
 106. mailto:61]rob at dumoulins.net
 107. mailto:[61]rob at dumoulins.net
 108. mailto:62]DeTomaso at poca.com
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 112. mailto:64]ehpantera at yahoo.com
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 114. mailto:65]jderyke at aol.com
 115. mailto:[65]jderyke at aol.com
 116. mailto:66]rob at dumoulins.net
 117. mailto:[66]rob at dumoulins.net
 118. mailto:67]DeTomaso at poca.com
 119. mailto:[67]DeTomaso at poca.com
 120. mailto:68]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
 121. mailto:[68]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
 122. mailto:69]detomaso at poca.com
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 126. mailto:71]rob at dumoulins.net
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 128. mailto:72]DeTomaso at poca.com
 129. mailto:[72]DeTomaso at poca.com
 130. mailto:73]DeTomaso at poca.com
 131. mailto:[73]DeTomaso at poca.com
 132. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 133. mailto:75]DeTomaso at poca.com
 134. mailto:[5][75]DeTomaso at poca.com
 135. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 136. mailto:77]DeTomaso at poca.com
 137. mailto:[77]DeTomaso at poca.com
 138. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 139. mailto:79]rob at dumoulins.net
 140. mailto:[79]rob at dumoulins.net
 141. mailto:80]DeTomaso at poca.com
 142. mailto:[80]DeTomaso at poca.com
 143. mailto:81]DeTomaso at poca.com
 144. mailto:[81]DeTomaso at poca.com
 145. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 146. mailto:83]DeTomaso at poca.com
 147. mailto:[83]DeTomaso at poca.com
 148. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 149. mailto:85]DeTomaso at poca.com
 150. mailto:[85]DeTomaso at poca.com
 151. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 152. mailto:87]DeTomaso at poca.com
 153. mailto:[87]DeTomaso at poca.com
 154. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 155. mailto:89]DeTomaso at poca.com
 156. mailto:[89]DeTomaso at poca.com
 157. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 158. mailto:91]DeTomaso at poca.com
 159. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 160. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 161. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 162. http://www.kbsi.co/
 163. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
 164. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
 165. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
 166. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
 167. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
 168. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
 169. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
 170. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
 171. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
 172. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com
 173. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com
 174. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 175. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 176. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 177. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 178. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
 179. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
 180. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
 181. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
 182. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
 183. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
 184. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com
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 186. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 187. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 188. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 189. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 190. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
 191. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
 192. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
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 198. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 199. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 200. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 201. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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 206. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
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 208. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
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 210. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 211. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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 214. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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 218. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
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 220. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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 222. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 223. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 224. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 225. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 226. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 227. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 228. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 229. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 230. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 231. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 232. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 233. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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 241. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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 244. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 245. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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