[DeTomaso] Pantera Wiki
Stephen
steve at snclocks.com
Mon Sep 14 15:11:54 EDT 2015
As I follow threads on this forum I store e-mails I find relevant under an appropriate heading so that I can find them in the future. At this point I have around 80 categories. This works for me. Problem with a wiki is that someone has to go out and create content, then someone else has to go out and edit the content. It is not an automatic part of the ebb and flow of this forum - where a heck of a lot of good information is exchanged.
Then we have the reality that not everyone agrees with another's approach. Take thermostats - there has been, and will be dozens of e-mails that debate the value of the original design for warming up the engines cast-iron heads. And how relevant is it for aluminum heads?
Then there are forums that allow you to search the archives. Been doing that on a Lotus forum - gads - good luck sorting through the hundreds of hits for something worth reading.
To me the bottom line is that the only way something of value will be generated is if one person commits to manage whatever is developed. ProvaMo is an excellent example. If the site owner did not spend his time keeping it running and organized we would not have the fantastic resource that it is (who is busy updating 5332's info on ProvaMo).
Stephen Nelson
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 10:49 AM
To: Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; jderyke at aol.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; DeTomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
Terry,
I agree that a wiki approach for the Pantera would be great. Are you suggesting adding topics to the global wikipedia are creating a private wiki site?
Imagine if each of us could put in particular mods with part numbers and a brief description of function/fit and the site was organized by system (cooling, suspension, glass, transmission, brakes, A/C, interior, exterior, electrical, etc.) and part (brake rotor, caliper, brake lines, master cylinder, brake fluid).
I often wondered what all my options are for rebuilding a certain component of my car (and I am close to having addressed every one of them so far) and probably could have saved some time and money if such a knowledge base existed. I certainly would have been able to make better decisions along the way, at least when I did not pose a question to the group here..
Rob DuMoulin
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rob at dumoulins.net
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) < terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Ya kow.. you guys are a encyclopedia of Pantera tribal knowledge. I
> was thinking, since our Pantera's are going to be around for a long
> time we should start WikiPedia for Pantera's. The
> MediaWiki it's is built on is free. I set one
> up for JPL and we use it to capture the same kind of tribal knowledge
> about spaceflight. Hmmmm? Internally we
> don't need it monitored and everyone is authenticated. But on the
> Internet it would have to be monitored. I think I head that Wikipedia
> gets 7000 updates every hour, 24/7. (I might not
> remember correctly, but a lot) It wouldn't
> be open to the public, but probably should use the POCA login. ?
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
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> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of POCA <
> detomaso at poca.com>
> Reply-To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:26 AM
> To: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
> Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "jderyke at aol.com"
> <jderyke at aol.com>, "mbefthomas at comcast.net" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>,
> POCA <detomaso at poca.com
> >
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>
> I'm glad jack reminded us. It's Ron Wade who sells double rear
> windows--presumably two pieces of safety glass. Your glass shop can
> probably replicate that though?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
>
> That was my confusion last night with the replies.
> Rob DuMoulin
> 904.476.8744
> [1]rob at dumoulins.net
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> [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> I thought standard automotive window glass wasA two layers of safety
> glass with an adhesive between them?A
> That is not the same as double pane residential glass that have a gas
> filled gap between theA panes.
> Ken
> A
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: Will Kooiman <[5]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: [6]jderyke at aol.com; [7]mbefthomas at comcast.net;
> [8]ehpantera at yahoo.com; [9]rob at dumoulins.net; [10]DeTomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 4:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> A My glass had the same thickness as the original.A Maybe it isn't
> double
> A pane.A I told the glass shop what I needed, and they said, "Oh, you
> A need double pane safety glass."
> A The bummer was that I polished the original glass, and it looked
> A perfect.A I broke it while I was reinstalling it.A That's why I
> had to
> A buy new glass in the first place.
> A Kirby - I may have used the same guy you used.A The shop is
> Woodlands
> A Car Care, on Budde Rd, just south of Sawdust.
> A From: <[1][11]jderyke at aol.com>
> A Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 2:56 AM
> A To: <[2][12]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, Will Kooiman
> A <[3][13]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, <[4][14]ehpantera at yahoo.com>,
> A <[5][15]rob at dumoulins.net>, <[6][16]DeTomaso at poca.com>
> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> A Short answer: yes. I used my OEM 1972 rubber gasket with no
> problems.
> A And you get to choose whether the secondary pane protrudes into the
> A cockpit or into the engine bay. The distance is about 1/4" so its no
> A big deal.
> Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
> A -----Original Message-----
> A From: Mike Thomas <[7][17]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> A To: 'Will Kooiman' <[8][18]will.kooiman at gmail.com>; 'mark skwarek'
> A <[9][19]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; jderyke <[10][20]jderyke at aol.com>; rob
> A <[11][21]rob at dumoulins.net>; DeTomaso <[12][22]DeTomaso at poca.com>
> A Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 5:18 pm
> A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
> -----Original
> Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> <[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf Of
> Will Kooiman
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:59 PM
> To: mark skwarek
> <[14][24]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; [15][25]jderyke at aol.com;
> [16][26]rob at dumoulins.net;
> [17][27]DeTomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> I
> had double pane safety glass made at a local glass shop.A Mine was
> cracked, so
> they could use it as a template.
> It was cheap too - under $100, if I recall
> correctly.
> On 9/10/15, 5:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of mark skwarek via
> DeTomaso"
> <[18][28]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
> [19][29]detomaso at poca.com>
> wrote:
>
> A Some racing organizations require a non-combustible material
>
> separate
>
> A the engine compartment from the passenger compartment.
>
> Mark
>
> A On Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>
> <[20][30]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> A A FWIW, Larry Stock of PPC-Reno sells an exact
>
> Lexan repro. Ron Wade in
>
> A A WA made a few double-pane rear windows for extra
>
> sound deadening; I
>
> A A have one.A Normally the rear window never gives
>
> trouble except during
>
> A A an engine pull when the distributor cap is left in
>
> place & contacts
>
> A the
> A A window during the pull.A One owner found that
>
> Weber velocity stacks
>
> A A also can break the glass during engine removals.
>
> The window is sort
>
> A of
> A A part of the rear firewall, but in engine
>
> fires, the glass invariably
>
> A A shatters early, so using Lexan likely does
>
> not degrade the "safety"
>
> A A aspect much. Most 'GR-4s' use plexiglas windows
>
> so the rear legs of
>
> A the
> A A factory roll cage can extend though to the
>
> rear fenders. One year at
>
> A A Bonneville, a Swedish Pantera showed up to run
>
> like this, and the
>
> A SCTA
> A A Tech Inspectors made them remove the Lexan
>
> window and substitute a
>
> A thin
> A A galvanized steel sheet!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> A A From: Rob Dumoulin <[1][21][31]rob at dumoulins.net>
>
> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <[2][22][32]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>
> A A Sent: Thu, Sep
>
> 10, 2015 12:20 pm
>
> A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> A Is there anything
>
> special about the rear glass?AA It being flat makes
>
> A A me
> A think that I
>
> would not have to go through a vendor and get one made
>
> A A just for
> A a
>
> Pantera.
>
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