[DeTomaso] Pantera Wiki

Himes, Terry (397C) terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Mon Sep 14 15:36:49 EDT 2015


Good points.


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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of Stephen <steve at snclocks.com<mailto:steve at snclocks.com>>
Date: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:11 PM
To: POCA <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Wiki

As I follow threads on this forum I store e-mails I find relevant under an appropriate heading so that I can find them in the future.  At this point I have around 80 categories.  This works for me.  Problem with a wiki is that someone has to go out and create content, then someone else has to go out and edit the content.  It is not an automatic part of the ebb and flow of this forum - where a heck of a lot of good information is exchanged.

Then we have the reality that not everyone agrees with another's approach.  Take thermostats - there has been, and will be dozens of e-mails that debate the value of the original design for warming up the engines cast-iron heads.  And how relevant is it for aluminum heads?

Then there are forums that allow you to search the archives.  Been doing that on a Lotus forum - gads - good luck sorting through the hundreds of hits for something worth reading.

To me the bottom line is that the only way something of value will be generated is if one person commits to manage whatever is developed.  ProvaMo is an excellent example.  If the site owner did not spend his time keeping it running and organized we would not have the fantastic resource that it is (who is busy updating 5332's info on ProvaMo).

Stephen Nelson

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass

Terry,

I agree that a wiki approach for the Pantera would be great. Are you suggesting adding topics to the global wikipedia are creating a private wiki site?

Imagine if each of us could put in particular mods with part numbers and a brief description of function/fit and the site was organized by system (cooling, suspension, glass, transmission, brakes, A/C, interior, exterior, electrical, etc.) and part (brake rotor, caliper, brake lines, master cylinder, brake fluid).

I often wondered what all my options are for rebuilding a certain component of my car (and I am close to having addressed every one of them so far) and probably could have saved some time and money if such a knowledge base existed.  I certainly would have been able to make better decisions along the way, at least when I did not pose a question to the group here..

Rob DuMoulin
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) < terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:

Ya kow.. you guys are a encyclopedia of Pantera tribal knowledge.  I
was thinking, since our Pantera's are going to be around for a long
time we should start WikiPedia for Pantera's.  The
MediaWiki it's is built on is free.   I set one
up for JPL and we use it to capture the same kind of tribal knowledge
about spaceflight.   Hmmmm?   Internally we
don't need it monitored and everyone is authenticated.   But on the
Internet it would have to be monitored.  I think I head that Wikipedia
gets 7000 updates every hour, 24/7.  (I might not
remember correctly, but a lot)   It wouldn't
be open to the public, but probably should use the POCA login. ?

Thoughts?



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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass

I'm glad jack reminded us. It's Ron Wade who sells double rear
windows--presumably two pieces of safety glass. Your glass shop can
probably replicate that though?

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net<mailto:rob at dumoulins.net>> wrote:

    That was my confusion last night with the replies.
    Rob DuMoulin
    904.476.8744
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    On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>>
    wrote:
    I thought standard automotive window glass wasA two layers of safety
    glass with an adhesive between them?A
    That is not the same as double pane residential glass that have a gas
    filled gap between theA panes.
    Ken
    A
      __________________________________________________________________
    From: Will Kooiman <[5]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>>
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    Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 4:19 AM
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
    A  My glass had the same thickness as the original.A  Maybe it isn't
    double
    A  pane.A  I told the glass shop what I needed, and they said, "Oh, you
    A  need double pane safety glass."
    A  The bummer was that I polished the original glass, and it looked
    A  perfect.A  I broke it while I was reinstalling it.A  That's why I
    had to
    A  buy new glass in the first place.
    A  Kirby - I may have used the same guy you used.A  The shop is
    Woodlands
    A  Car Care, on Budde Rd, just south of Sawdust.
    A  From: <[1][11]jderyke at aol.com<mailto:jderyke at aol.com>>
    A  Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 2:56 AM
    A  To: <[2][12]mbefthomas at comcast.net<mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net>>, Will Kooiman
    A  <[3][13]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>>, <[4][14]ehpantera at yahoo.com<mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com>>,
    A  <[5][15]rob at dumoulins.net<mailto:rob at dumoulins.net>>, <[6][16]DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>>
    A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
    A  Short answer: yes. I used my OEM 1972 rubber gasket with no
    problems.
    A  And you get to choose whether the secondary pane protrudes into the
    A  cockpit or into the engine bay. The distance is about 1/4" so its no
    A  big deal.
    Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
    A  -----Original Message-----
    A  From: Mike Thomas <[7][17]mbefthomas at comcast.net<mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net>>
    A  To: 'Will Kooiman' <[8][18]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>>; 'mark skwarek'
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    A  Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 5:18 pm
    A  Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
    Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
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    Message-----
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<[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>>] On Behalf Of
    Will Kooiman
    Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:59 PM
    To: mark skwarek
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    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
    I
    had double pane safety glass made at a local glass shop.A  Mine was
    cracked, so
    they could use it as a template.
    It was cheap too - under $100, if I recall
    correctly.
    On 9/10/15, 5:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of mark skwarek via
    DeTomaso"
    <[18][28]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of
    [19][29]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
    wrote:

A  Some racing organizations require a non-combustible material

    separate

A  the engine compartment from the passenger compartment.

    Mark

A  On Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso

    <[20][30]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>> wrote:

A  A  FWIW, Larry Stock of PPC-Reno sells an exact

    Lexan repro. Ron Wade in

A  A  WA made a few double-pane rear windows for extra

    sound deadening; I

A  A  have one.A  Normally the rear window never gives

    trouble except during

A  A  an engine pull when the distributor cap is left in

    place & contacts

A  the
A  A  window during the pull.A  One owner found that

    Weber velocity stacks

A  A  also can break the glass during engine removals.

    The window is sort

A  of
A  A  part of the rear firewall, but in engine

    fires, the glass invariably

A  A  shatters early, so using Lexan likely does

    not degrade the "safety"

A  A  aspect much. Most 'GR-4s' use plexiglas windows

    so the rear legs of

A  the
A  A  factory roll cage can extend though to the

    rear fenders. One year at

A  A  Bonneville, a Swedish Pantera showed up to run

    like this, and the

A  SCTA
A  A  Tech Inspectors made them remove the Lexan

    window and substitute a

A  thin
A  A  galvanized steel sheet!

    -----Original Message-----

A  A  From: Rob Dumoulin <[1][21][31]rob at dumoulins.net<mailto:rob at dumoulins.net>>

    To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <[2][22][32]DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>>

A  A  Sent: Thu, Sep

    10, 2015 12:20 pm

A  A  Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A  Is there anything

    special about the rear glass?AA  It being flat makes

A  A  me
A  think that I

    would not have to go through a vendor and get one made

A  A  just for
A  a

    Pantera.

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   Good points.

   "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life

     exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried

     to contact us!"

   Terry W. Himes

   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   InSight Sequence Team Lead

   Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   Fax:     (818) 393-3147

   [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Stephen
   <[3]steve at snclocks.com>
   Date: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:11 PM
   To: POCA <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Wiki

   As I follow threads on this forum I store e-mails I find relevant under
   an appropriate heading so that I can find them in the future.  At this
   point I have around 80 categories.  This works for me.  Problem with a
   wiki is that someone has to go out and create content, then someone
   else has to go out and edit the content.  It is not an automatic part
   of the ebb and flow of this forum - where a heck of a lot of good
   information is exchanged.
   Then we have the reality that not everyone agrees with another's
   approach.  Take thermostats - there has been, and will be dozens of
   e-mails that debate the value of the original design for warming up the
   engines cast-iron heads.  And how relevant is it for aluminum heads?
   Then there are forums that allow you to search the archives.  Been
   doing that on a Lotus forum - gads - good luck sorting through the
   hundreds of hits for something worth reading.
   To me the bottom line is that the only way something of value will be
   generated is if one person commits to manage whatever is
   developed.  ProvaMo is an excellent example.  If the site owner did not
   spend his time keeping it running and organized we would not have the
   fantastic resource that it is (who is busy updating 5332's info on
   ProvaMo).
   Stephen Nelson
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Rob
   Dumoulin
   Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 10:49 AM
   To: Himes, Terry (397C) <[6]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Cc: Mike Drew <[7]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Ken Green
   <[8]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; [9]jderyke at aol.com;
   [10]mbefthomas at comcast.net; [11]DeTomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
   Terry,
   I agree that a wiki approach for the Pantera would be great. Are you
   suggesting adding topics to the global wikipedia are creating a private
   wiki site?
   Imagine if each of us could put in particular mods with part numbers
   and a brief description of function/fit and the site was organized by
   system (cooling, suspension, glass, transmission, brakes, A/C,
   interior, exterior, electrical, etc.) and part (brake rotor, caliper,
   brake lines, master cylinder, brake fluid).
   I often wondered what all my options are for rebuilding a certain
   component of my car (and I am close to having addressed every one of
   them so far) and probably could have saved some time and money if such
   a knowledge base existed.  I certainly would have been able to make
   better decisions along the way, at least when I did not pose a question
   to the group here..
   Rob DuMoulin
   904.476.8744
   [12]rob at dumoulins.net
   www.kbsi.co
   [13]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
   On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
   [14]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

   Ya kow.. you guys are a encyclopedia of Pantera tribal knowledge.  I

   was thinking, since our Pantera's are going to be around for a long

   time we should start WikiPedia for Pantera's.  The

   MediaWiki it's is built on is free.   I set one

   up for JPL and we use it to capture the same kind of tribal knowledge

   about spaceflight.   Hmmmm?   Internally we

   don't need it monitored and everyone is authenticated.   But on the

   Internet it would have to be monitored.  I think I head that Wikipedia

   gets 7000 updates every hour, 24/7.  (I might not

   remember correctly, but a lot)   It wouldn't

   be open to the public, but probably should use the POCA login. ?

   Thoughts?

   *"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life *

   *  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried*

   *  to contact us!"*

   *Terry W. Himes *

   *JPL** Jet Propulsion Laboratory*

   *InSight Sequence Team Lead*

   *Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead*

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   Fax:     (818) 393-3147

   [15]*thimes at jpl.nasa.gov <[16]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>*

   From: DeTomaso <[17]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of POCA <

   [18]detomaso at poca.com>

   Reply-To: Mike Drew <[19]MikeLDrew at aol.com>

   Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:26 AM

   To: Rob Dumoulin <[20]rob at dumoulins.net>

   Cc: Ken Green <[21]kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "[22]jderyke at aol.com"

   <[23]jderyke at aol.com>, "[24]mbefthomas at comcast.net"
   <[25]mbefthomas at comcast.net>,

   POCA <[26]detomaso at poca.com

   >

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass

   I'm glad jack reminded us. It's Ron Wade who sells double rear

   windows--presumably two pieces of safety glass. Your glass shop can

   probably replicate that though?

   Mike

   Sent from my iPhone

   On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39, Rob Dumoulin <[27]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:

       That was my confusion last night with the replies.

       Rob DuMoulin

       904.476.8744

       [1][28]rob at dumoulins.net

       [2]www.kbsi.co

       [3][29]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58

       On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ken Green
   <[4][30]kenn_green at yahoo.com>

       wrote:

       I thought standard automotive window glass wasA two layers of
   safety

       glass with an adhesive between them?A

       That is not the same as double pane residential glass that have a
   gas

       filled gap between theA panes.

       Ken

       A

         _________________________________________________________________
   _

       From: Will Kooiman <[5][31]will.kooiman at gmail.com>

       To: [6][32]jderyke at aol.com; [7][33]mbefthomas at comcast.net;

       [8][34]ehpantera at yahoo.com; [9][35]rob at dumoulins.net;
   [10][36]DeTomaso at poca.com

       Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 4:19 AM

       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass

       A  My glass had the same thickness as the original.A  Maybe it
   isn't

       double

       A  pane.A  I told the glass shop what I needed, and they said, "Oh,
   you

       A  need double pane safety glass."

       A  The bummer was that I polished the original glass, and it looked

       A  perfect.A  I broke it while I was reinstalling it.A  That's why
   I

       had to

       A  buy new glass in the first place.

       A  Kirby - I may have used the same guy you used.A  The shop is

       Woodlands

       A  Car Care, on Budde Rd, just south of Sawdust.

       A  From: <[1][11][37]jderyke at aol.com>

       A  Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 2:56 AM

       A  To: <[2][12][38]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, Will Kooiman

       A  <[3][13][39]will.kooiman at gmail.com>,
   <[4][14][40]ehpantera at yahoo.com>,

       A  <[5][15][41]rob at dumoulins.net>, <[6][16][42]DeTomaso at poca.com>

       A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass

       A  Short answer: yes. I used my OEM 1972 rubber gasket with no

       problems.

       A  And you get to choose whether the secondary pane protrudes into
   the

       A  cockpit or into the engine bay. The distance is about 1/4" so
   its no

       A  big deal.

       Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?

       A  -----Original Message-----

       A  From: Mike Thomas <[7][17][43]mbefthomas at comcast.net>

       A  To: 'Will Kooiman' <[8][18][44]will.kooiman at gmail.com>; 'mark
   skwarek'

       A  <[9][19][45]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; jderyke
   <[10][20][46]jderyke at aol.com>; rob

       A  <[11][21][47]rob at dumoulins.net>; DeTomaso
   <[12][22][48]DeTomaso at poca.com>

       A  Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 5:18 pm

       A  Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass

       Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?

       -----Original

       Message-----

       From: DeTomaso [[13][49]mailto:[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com

   <[23][50]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf Of

       Will Kooiman

       Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:59 PM

       To: mark skwarek

       <[14][24][51]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; [15][25][52]jderyke at aol.com;

       [16][26][53]rob at dumoulins.net;

       [17][27][54]DeTomaso at poca.com

       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass

       I

       had double pane safety glass made at a local glass shop.A  Mine was

       cracked, so

       they could use it as a template.

       It was cheap too - under $100, if I recall

       correctly.

       On 9/10/15, 5:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of mark skwarek via

       DeTomaso"

       <[18][28][55]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of

       [19][29][56]detomaso at poca.com>

       wrote:

   A  Some racing organizations require a non-combustible material

       separate

   A  the engine compartment from the passenger compartment.

       Mark

   A  On Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso

       <[20][30][57]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:

   A  A  FWIW, Larry Stock of PPC-Reno sells an exact

       Lexan repro. Ron Wade in

   A  A  WA made a few double-pane rear windows for extra

       sound deadening; I

   A  A  have one.A  Normally the rear window never gives

       trouble except during

   A  A  an engine pull when the distributor cap is left in

       place & contacts

   A  the

   A  A  window during the pull.A  One owner found that

       Weber velocity stacks

   A  A  also can break the glass during engine removals.

       The window is sort

   A  of

   A  A  part of the rear firewall, but in engine

       fires, the glass invariably

   A  A  shatters early, so using Lexan likely does

       not degrade the "safety"

   A  A  aspect much. Most 'GR-4s' use plexiglas windows

       so the rear legs of

   A  the

   A  A  factory roll cage can extend though to the

       rear fenders. One year at

   A  A  Bonneville, a Swedish Pantera showed up to run

       like this, and the

   A  SCTA

   A  A  Tech Inspectors made them remove the Lexan

       window and substitute a

   A  thin

   A  A  galvanized steel sheet!

       -----Original Message-----

   A  A  From: Rob Dumoulin <[1][21][31][58]rob at dumoulins.net>

       To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <[2][22][32][59]DeTomaso at poca.com>

   A  A  Sent: Thu, Sep

       10, 2015 12:20 pm

   A  A  Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass

   A  Is there anything

       special about the rear glass?AA  It being flat makes

   A  A  me

   A  think that I

       would not have to go through a vendor and get one made

   A  A  just for

   A  a

       Pantera.

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       A  15. [112]mailto:[65]jderyke at aol.com <[65][113]jderyke at aol.com>

       A  16. [114]mailto:[66]rob at dumoulins.net
   <[66][115]rob at dumoulins.net>

       A  17. [116]mailto:[67]DeTomaso at poca.com
   <[67][117]DeTomaso at poca.com>

       A  18. [118]mailto:[68]detomaso-bounces at poca.com

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       A  19. [120]mailto:[69]detomaso at poca.com
   <[69][121]detomaso at poca.com>

       A  20. [122]mailto:[70]detomaso at poca.com
   <[70][123]detomaso at poca.com>

       A  21. [124]mailto:[71]rob at dumoulins.net
   <[71][125]rob at dumoulins.net>

       A  22. [126]mailto:[72]DeTomaso at poca.com
   <[72][127]DeTomaso at poca.com>

       A  23. [128]mailto:[73]DeTomaso at poca.com
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       A  24. [74][130]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

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       A  30. [139]mailto:[80]DeTomaso at poca.com
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       2. [160]http://www.kbsi.co/

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       4. [162]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com <[163]kenn_green at yahoo.com>

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       6. [166]mailto:jderyke at aol.com <[167]jderyke at aol.com>

       7. [168]mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net <[169]mbefthomas at comcast.net>

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      16. [186]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <[187]DeTomaso at poca.com>

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   <[201]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>

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      75. [295]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <[296]DeTomaso at poca.com>

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      77. [298]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <[299]DeTomaso at poca.com>

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      79. [301]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net <[302]rob at dumoulins.net>

      80. [303]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <[304]DeTomaso at poca.com>

      81. [305]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <[306]DeTomaso at poca.com>

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      83. [308]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <[309]DeTomaso at poca.com>

      84. [310]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

      85. [311]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <[312]DeTomaso at poca.com>

      86. [313]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

      87. [314]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <[315]DeTomaso at poca.com>

      88. [316]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

      89. [317]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <[318]DeTomaso at poca.com>

      90. [319]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

      91. [320]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <[321]DeTomaso at poca.com>

      92. [322]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

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   2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   3. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   6. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
   7. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
   8. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
   9. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
  10. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
  11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  12. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  13. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
  14. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
  15. mailto:*thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
  16. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
  17. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
  18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  19. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
  20. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  21. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
  22. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
  23. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
  24. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
  25. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
  26. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  27. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  28. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  29. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
  30. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
  31. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
  32. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
  33. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
  34. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com
  35. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  36. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  37. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
  38. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
  39. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
  40. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com
  41. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  42. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  43. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
  44. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
  45. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com
  46. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
  47. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  48. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  49. mailto:[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
  50. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
  51. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com
  52. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
  53. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  54. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  55. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
  56. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  57. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  58. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  59. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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  61. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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  68. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  69. mailto:[40]DeTomaso at poca.com
  70. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  71. mailto:[41]DeTomaso at poca.com
  72. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  73. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  74. mailto:[43]DeTomaso at poca.com
  75. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  76. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  77. mailto:[45]DeTomaso at poca.com
  78. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  79. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  80. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  81. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/deto
  82. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  83. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  84. mailto:[51]jderyke at aol.com
  85. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
  86. mailto:[52]mbefthomas at comcast.net
  87. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
  88. mailto:[53]will.kooiman at gmail.com
  89. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
  90. mailto:[54]ehpantera at yahoo.com
  91. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com
  92. mailto:[55]rob at dumoulins.net
  93. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  94. mailto:[56]DeTomaso at poca.com
  95. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  96. mailto:[57]mbefthomas at comcast.net
  97. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
  98. mailto:[58]will.kooiman at gmail.com
  99. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
 100. mailto:[59]ehpantera at yahoo.com
 101. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com
 102. mailto:[60]jderyke at aol.com
 103. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
 104. mailto:[61]rob at dumoulins.net
 105. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 106. mailto:[62]DeTomaso at poca.com
 107. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 108. mailto:[63]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
 109. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
 110. mailto:[64]ehpantera at yahoo.com
 111. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com
 112. mailto:[65]jderyke at aol.com
 113. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
 114. mailto:[66]rob at dumoulins.net
 115. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 116. mailto:[67]DeTomaso at poca.com
 117. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 118. mailto:[68]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
 119. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
 120. mailto:[69]detomaso at poca.com
 121. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
 122. mailto:[70]detomaso at poca.com
 123. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
 124. mailto:[71]rob at dumoulins.net
 125. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 126. mailto:[72]DeTomaso at poca.com
 127. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 128. mailto:[73]DeTomaso at poca.com
 129. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 130. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 131. mailto:[5][75]DeTomaso at poca.com
 132. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 133. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 134. mailto:[77]DeTomaso at poca.com
 135. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 136. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 137. mailto:[79]rob at dumoulins.net
 138. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 139. mailto:[80]DeTomaso at poca.com
 140. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 141. mailto:[81]DeTomaso at poca.com
 142. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 143. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 144. mailto:[83]DeTomaso at poca.com
 145. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 146. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 147. mailto:[85]DeTomaso at poca.com
 148. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 149. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 150. mailto:[87]DeTomaso at poca.com
 151. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 152. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 153. mailto:[89]DeTomaso at poca.com
 154. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 155. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 156. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 157. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 158. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 159. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 160. http://www.kbsi.co/
 161. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
 162. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
 163. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
 164. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
 165. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
 166. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
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 169. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
 170. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com
 171. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com
 172. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
 173. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
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