[DeTomaso] FW: Video: 500 HP Cleveland Stroker Destined For DeTomaso Pantera Dyno'd

Wed Oct 28 21:25:04 EDT 2015

Dear Tim,

               Some dumb questions and comments below.

Here's what I can tell you about the NEW "Track Boss Cleveland block" 
originally known as the Tod Buttermore block.
$$$$$$$  Is it correct that the new Tim Meyer/Buttermore block will be
marketed and known as the "Track Boss Cleveland Block"?    Is it correct
that the TBCB will be offered in aluminum and iron??

Tod did a good job of keeping the outside original.
I would say it is 90% there.
We plan on making the last 10% changes so it look just like the OE.
We have had a lot of interest in the Australian market and requesting it
stay very OE looking.
The inside is "beefed" up pretty healthy, Change we are making inside is:
4-bolt played billet main caps
1-piece rear main seal.
Solid bulk head ( Buttermore made them .100" thicker, we are making them
solid!!)
$$$$$$   The solid bulk head you refer to is also known as the front engine
cover or timing chain cover???

Max bore will be 4.185"-4.200"
Deck heights will be 9.200" & 9.500"
Aluminum & cast iron material

This block will be cast in Wisconsin.
Aluminum blocks will be cast at Eck Industries.  Eck currently cast products
for the aviation industry, some blocks for GM and heads for Dart.
Eck cast all the blocks for the Mid 2000 Ford GT vehicle.

Cast Iron blocks will be cast at Manitowoc Grey Iron. MGI also does castings
with Ford, but no production.
Ford has used them for proving out their patterns before they get sent to
Mexico, in some cases.
MGI also has the ability to cast CGI, which will be in our future for the
Track Boss Cleveland block.

I will not comment on the Titus block and/or the past relationship MME had
with Tod Buttermore.

If you have any other questions about the Track Boss block, I'll be glad to
help.

We are expecting the first casting in about 6 weeks, and will debut at the
PRI show.

There are highlight that I cannot share at this point. But they are "firsts"
for the automotive industry.
All I can say is the President of R&D at Eck said "I guarantee this will be
the strongest aluminum engine block"
$$$$$$  Thanks for the info and comments.  I look forward to learning more.

                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

More later,

Tim Meyer

TMeyer Inc

www.tmeyerinc.com

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Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:48 AM
To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Video: 500 HP Cleveland Stroker Destined For
DeTomaso Pantera Dyno'd

Dear Julian,

                Good question for engine cognoscenti.  Obviously two
different sources.  I seem to recall some aspersions that the Titus product
improperly "borrowed" from the Butterworth engine, but I don't know.

                The Butterworth block is now the Tim Meyer block and will,
hopefully be in production soon.  The Titus block has been out for 
a couple of years.   I don't think that there is any publicized 
experience with the Titus block in racing competition nor have I heard of
any street installations until the one in the video link.

               I suppose that in the fullness of time we'll know more, but I
am impatient.

                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Julian Kift wrote:

> I'm not familiar with Mr. Cantu, but this raised a question in my 
> mind; what are the subtle differences between the Titus (MME) and Tim 
> Meyer (ex Tod Buttermore) blocks?
>
> Julian
>
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of 
> cengles at cox.net <cengles at cox.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:40 AM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Video: 500 HP Cleveland Stroker Destined For 
> DeTomaso Pantera Dyno'd
>
>   Dear Forum,
>
>               Interesting.   It uses a new Titus block.  Anyone 
> familiar
> with Mr. Cantu, the Pantera owner?
>
>                            Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
> 
>
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   Dear Tim,

                  Some dumb questions and comments below.

   Here's what I can tell you about the NEW "Track Boss Cleveland block"

   originally known as the Tod Buttermore block.

   $$$$$$$  Is it correct that the new Tim Meyer/Buttermore block will be
   marketed and known as the "Track Boss Cleveland Block"?    Is it
   correct that the TBCB will be offered in aluminum and iron??

   Tod did a good job of keeping the outside original.

   I would say it is 90% there.

   We plan on making the last 10% changes so it look just like the OE.

   We have had a lot of interest in the Australian market and requesting
   it stay very OE looking.

   The inside is "beefed" up pretty healthy, Change we are making inside
   is:

   4-bolt played billet main caps

   1-piece rear main seal.

   Solid bulk head ( Buttermore made them .100" thicker, we are making
   them

   solid!!)

   $$$$$$   The solid bulk head you refer to is also known as the front
   engine cover or timing chain cover???

   Max bore will be 4.185"-4.200"

   Deck heights will be 9.200" & 9.500"

   Aluminum & cast iron material

   This block will be cast in Wisconsin.

   Aluminum blocks will be cast at Eck Industries.  Eck currently cast
   products for the aviation industry, some blocks for GM and heads for
   Dart.

   Eck cast all the blocks for the Mid 2000 Ford GT vehicle.

   Cast Iron blocks will be cast at Manitowoc Grey Iron. MGI also does
   castings with Ford, but no production.

   Ford has used them for proving out their patterns before they get sent
   to Mexico, in some cases.

   MGI also has the ability to cast CGI, which will be in our future for
   the Track Boss Cleveland block.

   I will not comment on the Titus block and/or the past relationship MME
   had with Tod Buttermore.

   If you have any other questions about the Track Boss block, I'll be
   glad to help.

   We are expecting the first casting in about 6 weeks, and will debut at
   the PRI show.

   There are highlight that I cannot share at this point. But they are
   "firsts"

   for the automotive industry.

   All I can say is the President of R&D at Eck said "I guarantee this
   will be the strongest aluminum engine block"

   $$$$$$  Thanks for the info and comments.  I look forward to learning
   more.

                         Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

   More later,

   Tim Meyer

   TMeyer Inc

   [1]www.tmeyerinc.com

   -----Original Message-----

   From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   [3]cengles at cox.net

   Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:48 AM

   To: [4]julian_kift at hotmail.com

   Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Video: 500 HP Cleveland Stroker Destined
   For DeTomaso Pantera Dyno'd

   Dear Julian,

                   Good question for engine cognoscenti.  Obviously two
   different sources.  I seem to recall some aspersions that the Titus
   product improperly "borrowed" from the Butterworth engine, but I don't
   know.

                   The Butterworth block is now the Tim Meyer block and
   will, hopefully be in production soon.  The Titus block has been out
   for

   a couple of years.   I don't think that there is any publicized

   experience with the Titus block in racing competition nor have I heard
   of any street installations until the one in the video link.

                  I suppose that in the fullness of time we'll know more,
   but I am impatient.

                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

   On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Julian Kift wrote:

   > I'm not familiar with Mr. Cantu, but this raised a question in my

   > mind; what are the subtle differences between the Titus (MME) and Tim

   > Meyer (ex Tod Buttermore) blocks?

   >

   > Julian

   >

   > ________________________________________

   > From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of

   > [7]cengles at cox.net <[8]cengles at cox.net>

   > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:40 AM

   > To: [9]detomaso at poca.com

   > Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Video: 500 HP Cleveland Stroker Destined For

   > DeTomaso Pantera Dyno'd

   >

   >   Dear Forum,

   >

   >               Interesting.   It uses a new Titus block.  Anyone

   > familiar

   > with Mr. Cantu, the Pantera owner?

   >

   >                            Warmest regards, Chuck Engles

   >

   >

   >

   >

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