[DeTomaso] For those who like engine builds

Mike Drew mikeldrew at aol.com
Sun Oct 18 20:06:09 EDT 2015


Fascinating. Using the safari web browser and the webmail version of aol, I WAS able to view the images in kirby's original email, but the subsequent replies which included the original email only showed links. 

Weird!

I still maintain that attaching images that you select from a folder on the device (such as the photos folder on an IPad,where I happen to have a photo of Colin Bradshaw's GT5-S) is the best way to go.....

Mike



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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Dudley <bd8134 at gmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: Kirby Schrader <kirbyschrader at mac.com>; <detomaso at poca.com> <DeTomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 18, 2015 04:42 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] For those who like engine builds



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<div class="aolReplacedBody"><div dir="ltr">It looks like Mail on iPhone does not like attachments.<div>I can see the attachments from web based gmail on a Mac and it sounds like a lot of people also see the images with different email apps.
iPhone Mail just shows some weird link details. I checked other emails which had attachments in and none of those showed either on iPhone.
I just loaded the Gmail app on my iPhone and all images now show up.

Mike maybe try loading the AOL mail app on your iPhone if there is one or use the Safari web browser to see if you can then see the images.
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<div class="aolmail_gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:detomaso at poca.com">detomaso at poca.com</a>></span> wrote:
<blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Kirby,



No wonder. You're doing it wrong. You are trying to access photos from an app (imaginary) source.



Put the photos in a folder on your hard drive somewhere. Size them so they are 300-400kb. Create a new message and attach them. Don't rely on stupid apps which just get in between you and your data....



Mike



Sent from my iPhone



On Oct 18, 2015, at 15:29, Kirby Schrader <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:kirbyschrader at mac.com">kirbyschrader at mac.com</a>> wrote:



> I’m using a Mac with Apple Mail. I only have this problem with the <a target="_blank" href="mailto:detomaso at poca.com">detomaso at poca.com</a> list.

>

> The first pair were sent by selecting the photos and ‘sharing’ from the Photos app.

> The second set, I selected them in the Photo app and pasted them into the message.

>

> Neither of them are visible to me when I get either message from the list.

> This is just too darned weird.

>

>

>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 17:26, Dave Londry <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:davel at emspace.com">davel at emspace.com</a>> wrote:

>>

>> Unlike Bill - the 2nd pair work for me and the first pair don't.

>> (and I'm Win7/TBird)

>> dave

>>

>> On 18/10/2015 3:05 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote:

>>> They don’t for me, unfortunately….

>>>

>>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 16:57, Kirby Schrader <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:kirbyschrader at mac.com">kirbyschrader at mac.com</a>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>  Let's try something different.

>>>>

>>>>  Do these show up?

>>>>  [<a target="_blank" href="mailto:cid%3A76C69836-5580-46A3-8F1A-819D54E741A2 at attlocal.net">cid:76C69836-5580-46A3-8F1A-819D54E741A2 at attlocal.net</a>]

>>>>  [<a target="_blank" href="mailto:cid%3ABF97867E-570F-4F48-BB01-4CC5D5FBFC9D at attlocal.net">cid:BF97867E-570F-4F48-BB01-4CC5D5FBFC9D at attlocal.net</a>]

>>>>

>>>>  On Oct 18, 2015, at 16:48, Kirby Schrader <[1]<a target="_blank" href="mailto:kirbyschrader at mac.com">kirbyschrader at mac.com</a>>

>>>>  wrote:

>>>>

>>>>    Finally got around to unpacking one of my spare clutches.

>>>>    It's a dual disk McLeod that was rebuilt by them.

>>>>    I have a `racing' version in the race car.

>>>>    I also have a backup street version and another race version.

>>>>    The race version is certainly more `digital'... It's engaged or it is

>>>>    not...

>>>>    The street version has a band that ties the two plates together so

>>>>  they

>>>>    don't rattle.

>>>>    That's what you see in the picture.

>>>>    [[2]<a target="_blank" href="mailto:cid%3AC3ABCF41-350A-4EA8-8CBE-EFBC9D0357C7 at attlocal.net">cid:C3ABCF41-350A-4EA8-8CBE-EFBC9D0357C7 at attlocal.net</a>]

>>>>    [[3]<a target="_blank" href="mailto:cid%3A23B9BD20-61B1-4902-95B2-B4A7D2CAE80E at attlocal.net">cid:23B9BD20-61B1-4902-95B2-B4A7D2CAE80E at attlocal.net</a>]

>>>>    On Oct 15, 2015, at 17:55, John Taphorn

>>>>  <[1][4]<a target="_blank" href="mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com">jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com</a>>

>>>>    wrote:

>>>>    Kirby

>>>>    Nice job documenting the build.  It reminded me of the Doug Cook

>>>>    picture build featured in the old Ford Performance book by Pat

>>>>  Ganahl.

>>>>    Although, yours is an updated version taking the build to a higher

>>>>    lever. I would like to see you include pics of the sexy clutch

>>>>  pressure

>>>>    plate arrangement that you are running as well.

>>>>    Very impressive indeed.

>>>>    JT

>>>>    On 10/14/2015 7:04 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote:

>>>>    [1][2][5]<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racec">http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racec</a>

>>>>  ar%20eng

>>>>    ine/index.html

>>>>    FWIW,

>>>>    Kirby

>>>>  References

>>>>    1.

>>>>  [3][6]<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20">http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20</a>

>>>>  engine

>>>>  /index.html

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>>>>  [10]<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20en">http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20en</a>

>>>>  g

>>>>    3.

>>>>  [11]<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20en">http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20en</a>

>>>>  gine/index.html

>>>>    4. [12]mailto:<a target="_blank" href="mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com">DeTomaso at poca.com</a>

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>>>> References

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>>>>  1. mailto:<a target="_blank" href="mailto:kirbyschrader at mac.com">kirbyschrader at mac.com</a>

>>>>  2. <a target="_blank" href="mailto:cid%3AC3ABCF41-350A-4EA8-8CBE-EFBC9D0357C7 at attlocal.net">cid:C3ABCF41-350A-4EA8-8CBE-EFBC9D0357C7 at attlocal.net</a>]

>>>>  3. <a target="_blank" href="mailto:cid%3A23B9BD20-61B1-4902-95B2-B4A7D2CAE80E at attlocal.net">cid:23B9BD20-61B1-4902-95B2-B4A7D2CAE80E at attlocal.net</a>]

>>>>  4. mailto:<a target="_blank" href="mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com">jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com</a>

>>>>  5. <a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20eng">http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20eng</a>

>>>>  6. <a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20engine">http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20engine</a>

>>>>  7. mailto:<a target="_blank" href="mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com">DeTomaso at poca.com</a>

>>>>  8. <a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com</a>

>>>>  9. mailto:<a target="_blank" href="mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com">jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com</a>

>>>> 10. <a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20eng">http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20eng</a>

>>>> 11. <a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20engine/index.html">http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20engine/index.html</a>

>>>> 12. mailto:<a target="_blank" href="mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com">DeTomaso at poca.com</a>

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   Fascinating. Using the safari web browser and the webmail version of
   aol, I WAS able to view the images in kirby's original email, but the
   subsequent replies which included the original email only showed
   links.

   Weird!

   I still maintain that attaching images that you select from a folder on
   the device (such as the photos folder on an IPad,where I happen to have
   a photo of Colin Bradshaw's GT5-S) is the best way to go.....

   Mike

   Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Brian Dudley <bd8134 at gmail.com>
   To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Cc: Kirby Schrader <kirbyschrader at mac.com>; <detomaso at poca.com>
   <DeTomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Sun, Oct 18, 2015 04:42 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] For those who like engine builds
   It looks like Mail on iPhone does not like attachments.
   I can see the attachments from web based gmail on a Mac and it sounds
   like a lot of people also see the images with different email apps.
   iPhone Mail just shows some weird link details. I checked other emails
   which had attachments in and none of those showed either on iPhone.
   I just loaded the Gmail app on my iPhone and all images now show up.
   Mike maybe try loading the AOL mail app on your iPhone if there is one
   or use the Safari web browser to see if you can then see the images.
   On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:

     Kirby,
     No wonder. You're doing it wrong. You are trying to access photos
     from an app (imaginary) source.
     Put the photos in a folder on your hard drive somewhere. Size them
     so they are 300-400kb. Create a new message and attach them. Don't
     rely on stupid apps which just get in between you and your data....
     Mike
     Sent from my iPhone
     On Oct 18, 2015, at 15:29, Kirby Schrader <[2]kirbyschrader at mac.com>
     wrote:
     > Iam using a Mac with Apple Mail. I only have this problem with the
     [3]detomaso at poca.com list.
     >
     > The first pair were sent by selecting the photos and asharinga
     from the Photos app.
     > The second set, I selected them in the Photo app and pasted them
     into the message.
     >
     > Neither of them are visible to me when I get either message from
     the list.
     > This is just too darned weird.
     >
     >
     >> On Oct 18, 2015, at 17:26, Dave Londry <[4]davel at emspace.com>
     wrote:
     >>
     >> Unlike Bill - the 2nd pair work for me and the first pair don't.
     >> (and I'm Win7/TBird)
     >> dave
     >>
     >> On 18/10/2015 3:05 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote:
     >>> They donat for me, unfortunatelya|.
     >>>
     >>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 16:57, Kirby Schrader
     <[5]kirbyschrader at mac.com> wrote:
     >>>>
     >>>>  Let's try something different.
     >>>>
     >>>>  Do these show up?
     >>>>  [[6]cid:76C69836-5580-46A3-8F1A-819D54E741A2 at attlocal.net]
     >>>>  [[7]cid:BF97867E-570F-4F48-BB01-4CC5D5FBFC9D at attlocal.net]
     >>>>
     >>>>  On Oct 18, 2015, at 16:48, Kirby Schrader
     <[1][8]kirbyschrader at mac.com>
     >>>>  wrote:
     >>>>
     >>>>    Finally got around to unpacking one of my spare clutches.
     >>>>    It's a dual disk McLeod that was rebuilt by them.
     >>>>    I have a `racing' version in the race car.
     >>>>    I also have a backup street version and another race
     version.
     >>>>    The race version is certainly more `digital'... It's engaged
     or it is
     >>>>    not...
     >>>>    The street version has a band that ties the two plates
     together so
     >>>>  they
     >>>>    don't rattle.
     >>>>    That's what you see in the picture.
     >>>>
     [[2][9]cid:C3ABCF41-350A-4EA8-8CBE-EFBC9D0357C7 at attlocal.net]
     >>>>
     [[3][10]cid:23B9BD20-61B1-4902-95B2-B4A7D2CAE80E at attlocal.net]
     >>>>    On Oct 15, 2015, at 17:55, John Taphorn
     >>>>  <[1][4][11]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
     >>>>    wrote:
     >>>>    Kirby
     >>>>    Nice job documenting the build.  It reminded me of the Doug
     Cook
     >>>>    picture build featured in the old Ford Performance book by
     Pat
     >>>>  Ganahl.
     >>>>    Although, yours is an updated version taking the build to a
     higher
     >>>>    lever. I would like to see you include pics of the sexy
     clutch
     >>>>  pressure
     >>>>    plate arrangement that you are running as well.
     >>>>    Very impressive indeed.
     >>>>    JT
     >>>>    On 10/14/2015 7:04 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote:
     >>>>
     [1][2][5][12]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/
     racec
     >>>>  ar%20eng
     >>>>    ine/index.html
     >>>>    FWIW,
     >>>>    Kirby
     >>>>  References
     >>>>    1.
     >>>>
     [3][6][13]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/rac
     ecar%20
     >>>>  engine
     >>>>  /index.html
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     unsubscribe, etc.)
     >>>>  use the li
     >>>>  nks above.
     >>>>  References
     >>>>    1. [9]mailto:[16]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
     >>>>    2.
     >>>>
     [10][17]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racec
     ar%20en
     >>>>  g
     >>>>    3.
     >>>>
     [11][18]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racec
     ar%20en
     >>>>  gine/index.html
     >>>>    4. [12]mailto:[19]DeTomaso at poca.com
     >>>>    5.
     [13][20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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     >>>> References
     >>>>
     >>>>  1. mailto:[23]kirbyschrader at mac.com
     >>>>  2. [24]cid:C3ABCF41-350A-4EA8-8CBE-EFBC9D0357C7 at attlocal.net]
     >>>>  3. [25]cid:23B9BD20-61B1-4902-95B2-B4A7D2CAE80E at attlocal.net]
     >>>>  4. mailto:[26]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
     >>>>  5.
     [27]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%2
     0eng
     >>>>  6.
     [28]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%2
     0engine
     >>>>  7. mailto:[29]DeTomaso at poca.com
     >>>>  8. [30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     >>>>  9. mailto:[31]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
     >>>> 10.
     [32]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%2
     0eng
     >>>> 11.
     [33]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%2
     0engine/index.html
     >>>> 12. mailto:[34]DeTomaso at poca.com
     >>>> 13. [35]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     >>>> 14. mailto:[36]DeTomaso at poca.com
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References

   1. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   2. mailto:kirbyschrader at mac.com
   3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   4. mailto:davel at emspace.com
   5. mailto:kirbyschrader at mac.com
   6. mailto:cid%3A76C69836-5580-46A3-8F1A-819D54E741A2 at attlocal.net
   7. mailto:cid%3ABF97867E-570F-4F48-BB01-4CC5D5FBFC9D at attlocal.net
   8. mailto:kirbyschrader at mac.com
   9. mailto:cid%3AC3ABCF41-350A-4EA8-8CBE-EFBC9D0357C7 at attlocal.net
  10. mailto:cid%3A23B9BD20-61B1-4902-95B2-B4A7D2CAE80E at attlocal.net
  11. mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
  12. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racec
  13. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20
  14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  16. mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
  17. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20en
  18. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20en
  19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  23. mailto:kirbyschrader at mac.com
  24. mailto:cid%3AC3ABCF41-350A-4EA8-8CBE-EFBC9D0357C7 at attlocal.net
  25. mailto:cid%3A23B9BD20-61B1-4902-95B2-B4A7D2CAE80E at attlocal.net
  26. mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
  27. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20eng
  28. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20engine
  29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  31. mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
  32. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20eng
  33. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/racecar%20engine/index.html
  34. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  35. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  36. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  37. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  38. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  39. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  40. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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