[DeTomaso] Pictures
R.J
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Tue Oct 13 18:09:37 EDT 2015
On special order, you could get a Pantera in 1989 with a Clevelend. A
customer of mine has such car with US rubber bumper on the front and
Euro bumpers on the back.
The Pantera 90 where delivered with different Intakes. Some had the GT40
intake mounted reversed and some came with the stock 302 intake.Only a
verry few of them had real catalytic converters. Ansa only made FOUR !
exhaust systems with catalytic converters for DeTomaso. All others had
fakes in, when delivered.
Roland Jaeckel
Am 13.10.2015 um 23:48 schrieb Peter Havlik:
> Sorry, I should have written the 351W engines started in 1988, not
> 1998. In fact, there is some debate as to whether they may have started
> as early as 1987.
>
> On Oct 13, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Peter Havlik <[1]peterhavlik at me.com>
> wrote:
>
> Cullen:
> De Tomaso started to install 351W engines in all Panteras in about 1998
> when their supply of 351C engines from Australia dried up. All 90 Si
> Panteras were built with the 302 and the tubular rear structure.
> Production of that model started in 1990. Some, but not all, 90 Si cars
> came with a six speed Getrag gearbox.
> - Peter
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> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 16:18:47 -0500
> From: Cullen McCann <[2]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> To: Richard Greenblum <[3]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
> Cc: deTomaso List <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pictures
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> I recall reading the last few cars received 5.0 engines. I didn't
> realize
> how they were configured, assuming this one is "per factory" (which may
> be
> a loose term considering the conditions it was built). That tubular
> intake
> is a Ford Motorsport "GT 40" intake. Available over the counter here in
> the
> USA but not offered from the factory on any vehicle. The closest you
> could
> get was the Ford Explorer with a 302 until about 98 or so if I recall.
> They
> had the correct lower 5.0 intake and a CAST aluminum version of the
> GT40
> upper intake.
> Ford offered the tubular GT40 intake on the Ford Lighting pickup, which
> looked the same but had a different lower intake since the lighting is
> a
> 351W motor. (5.8 HO roller). I suppose that motor might be a 351W
> lighting
> motor? I just thought I read they were all either Clevelands or the
> last
> few were 5.0's. Hard to tell but that certainly looks like a 302/5.0
> motor
> with the lower deck height. For what its worth, Ive had a 5.0 mustang
> with
> that same intake, healthy cam and heads make over 400 horse and put me
> in
> the mid-low 12's in the quarter. They can be very healthy if done right
> and
> arguably lighter. But they do seems tiny in that engine bay.
> Did any factory equipped pantera ever receive a 351Windsor engine?
> Didn't
> think so.
> I have never seen an SI up close. Do all of them have the tubular rear
> subframes like that? Unexpected. Looks more like an individual
> modification.
> Transaxle looks different too. Is it a different generation of ZF?
> Interesting!!!!!
> Cullen
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:peterhavlik at me.com
> 2. mailto:cmccann1972 at gmail.com
> 3. mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 5. mailto:CAFwr-MViUBksr1G2mWdxGrp+Aj8q29ngmQQxEJUtihX5swGthg at mail.gmail.com
>
>
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On special order, you could get a Pantera in 1989 with a Clevelend. A
customer of mine has such car with US rubber bumper on the front and
Euro bumpers on the back.
The Pantera 90 where delivered with different Intakes. Some had the
GT40 intake mounted reversed and some came with the stock 302
intake.Only a verry few of them had real catalytic converters. Ansa
only made FOUR ! exhaust systems with catalytic converters for
DeTomaso. All others had fakes in, when delivered.
Roland Jaeckel
Am 13.10.2015 um 23:48 schrieb Peter Havlik:
Sorry, I should have written the 351W engines started in 1988, not
1998. In fact, there is some debate as to whether they may have started
as early as 1987.
On Oct 13, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Peter Havlik [1]<[1]peterhavlik at me.com>
wrote:
Cullen:
De Tomaso started to install 351W engines in all Panteras in about 1998
when their supply of 351C engines from Australia dried up. All 90 Si
Panteras were built with the 302 and the tubular rear structure.
Production of that model started in 1990. Some, but not all, 90 Si cars
came with a six speed Getrag gearbox.
- Peter
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 16:18:47 -0500
From: Cullen McCann [2]<[2]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
To: Richard Greenblum [3]<[3]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
Cc: deTomaso List [4]<[4]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pictures
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I recall reading the last few cars received 5.0 engines. I didn't
realize
how they were configured, assuming this one is "per factory" (which may
be
a loose term considering the conditions it was built). That tubular
intake
is a Ford Motorsport "GT 40" intake. Available over the counter here in
the
USA but not offered from the factory on any vehicle. The closest you
could
get was the Ford Explorer with a 302 until about 98 or so if I recall.
They
had the correct lower 5.0 intake and a CAST aluminum version of the
GT40
upper intake.
Ford offered the tubular GT40 intake on the Ford Lighting pickup, which
looked the same but had a different lower intake since the lighting is
a
351W motor. (5.8 HO roller). I suppose that motor might be a 351W
lighting
motor? I just thought I read they were all either Clevelands or the
last
few were 5.0's. Hard to tell but that certainly looks like a 302/5.0
motor
with the lower deck height. For what its worth, Ive had a 5.0 mustang
with
that same intake, healthy cam and heads make over 400 horse and put me
in
the mid-low 12's in the quarter. They can be very healthy if done right
and
arguably lighter. But they do seems tiny in that engine bay.
Did any factory equipped pantera ever receive a 351Windsor engine?
Didn't
think so.
I have never seen an SI up close. Do all of them have the tubular rear
subframes like that? Unexpected. Looks more like an individual
modification.
Transaxle looks different too. Is it a different generation of ZF?
Interesting!!!!!
Cullen
References
1. [6]mailto:peterhavlik at me.com
2. [7]mailto:cmccann1972 at gmail.com
3. [8]mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
4. [9]mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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