[DeTomaso] Pictures

Cullen McCann cmccann1972 at gmail.com
Wed Oct 14 15:50:39 EDT 2015


Ahhhh.... Understood 

> On Oct 13, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Peter Havlik <peterhavlik at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I should have written the 351W engines started in 1988, not 1998. In fact, there is some debate as to whether they may have started as early as 1987.
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Peter Havlik <peterhavlik at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Cullen:
>> 
>> De Tomaso started to install 351W engines in all Panteras in about 1998 when their supply of 351C engines from Australia dried up. All 90 Si Panteras were built with the 302 and the tubular rear structure. Production of that model started in 1990. Some, but not all, 90 Si cars came with a six speed Getrag gearbox. 
>> 
>> - Peter
>> 
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>> 
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 16:18:47 -0500
>> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
>> To: Richard Greenblum <Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
>> Cc: deTomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pictures
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>> I recall reading the last few cars received 5.0 engines. I didn't realize
>> how they were configured, assuming this one is "per factory" (which may be
>> a loose term considering the conditions it was built). That tubular intake
>> is a Ford Motorsport "GT 40" intake. Available over the counter here in the
>> USA but not offered from the factory on any vehicle. The closest you could
>> get was the Ford Explorer with a 302 until about 98 or so if I recall. They
>> had the correct lower 5.0 intake and a CAST aluminum version of the GT40
>> upper intake.
>> 
>> Ford offered the tubular GT40 intake on the Ford Lighting pickup, which
>> looked the same but had a different lower intake since the lighting is a
>> 351W motor. (5.8 HO roller). I suppose that motor might be a 351W lighting
>> motor? I just thought I read they were all either Clevelands or the last
>> few were 5.0's. Hard to tell but that certainly looks like a 302/5.0 motor
>> with the lower deck height. For what its worth, Ive had a 5.0 mustang with
>> that same intake, healthy cam and heads make over 400 horse and put me in
>> the mid-low 12's in the quarter. They can be very healthy if done right and
>> arguably lighter. But they do seems tiny in that engine bay.
>> 
>> Did any factory equipped pantera ever receive a 351Windsor engine? Didn't
>> think so.
>> 
>> I have never seen an SI up close. Do all of them have the tubular rear
>> subframes like that? Unexpected. Looks more like an individual modification.
>> 
>> Transaxle looks different too. Is it a different generation of ZF?
>> 
>> Interesting!!!!!
>> 
>> Cullen
> 
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   Ahhhh.... Understood

   On Oct 13, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Peter Havlik <[1]peterhavlik at me.com>
   wrote:

     Sorry, I should have written the 351W engines started in 1988, not
     1998. In fact, there is some debate as to whether they may have
     started as early as 1987.

   On Oct 13, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Peter Havlik <[2]peterhavlik at me.com>
   wrote:

   Cullen:
   De Tomaso started to install 351W engines in all Panteras in about 1998
   when their supply of 351C engines from Australia dried up. All 90 Si
   Panteras were built with the 302 and the tubular rear structure.
   Production of that model started in 1990. Some, but not all, 90 Si cars
   came with a six speed Getrag gearbox.
   - Peter
   ------------------------------
   Message: 10
   Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 16:18:47 -0500
   From: Cullen McCann <[3]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
   To: Richard Greenblum <[4]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Cc: deTomaso List <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pictures
   Message-ID:
   <[6]CAFwr-MViUBksr1G2mWdxGrp+Aj8q29ngmQQxEJUtihX5swGthg at mail.gmail.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   I recall reading the last few cars received 5.0 engines. I didn't
   realize
   how they were configured, assuming this one is "per factory" (which may
   be
   a loose term considering the conditions it was built). That tubular
   intake
   is a Ford Motorsport "GT 40" intake. Available over the counter here in
   the
   USA but not offered from the factory on any vehicle. The closest you
   could
   get was the Ford Explorer with a 302 until about 98 or so if I recall.
   They
   had the correct lower 5.0 intake and a CAST aluminum version of the
   GT40
   upper intake.
   Ford offered the tubular GT40 intake on the Ford Lighting pickup, which
   looked the same but had a different lower intake since the lighting is
   a
   351W motor. (5.8 HO roller). I suppose that motor might be a 351W
   lighting
   motor? I just thought I read they were all either Clevelands or the
   last
   few were 5.0's. Hard to tell but that certainly looks like a 302/5.0
   motor
   with the lower deck height. For what its worth, Ive had a 5.0 mustang
   with
   that same intake, healthy cam and heads make over 400 horse and put me
   in
   the mid-low 12's in the quarter. They can be very healthy if done right
   and
   arguably lighter. But they do seems tiny in that engine bay.
   Did any factory equipped pantera ever receive a 351Windsor engine?
   Didn't
   think so.
   I have never seen an SI up close. Do all of them have the tubular rear
   subframes like that? Unexpected. Looks more like an individual
   modification.
   Transaxle looks different too. Is it a different generation of ZF?
   Interesting!!!!!
   Cullen

References

   1. mailto:peterhavlik at me.com
   2. mailto:peterhavlik at me.com
   3. mailto:cmccann1972 at gmail.com
   4. mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
   5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   6. mailto:CAFwr-MViUBksr1G2mWdxGrp+Aj8q29ngmQQxEJUtihX5swGthg at mail.gmail.com


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