[DeTomaso] Project on Ebay
Cullen McCann
cmccann1972 at gmail.com
Thu May 28 16:40:11 EDT 2015
FWIW:
Oklahoma's title 42 process has recently changed. For those who do not
know, the title 42 process was specifically created so a "mechanic" can
file a lien against a piece of property for which he is owed value from
labor. It allows him to assume the value of the property to cover his lost
debt from non-paying owner. It is not at all synonymous with "filing for a
lost title". A lost-title process is (technically) appropriate only if the
person doing the filing is also the person whose name is on the title in
the DMV database. So, in other words, only a "current" registered owner of
a said vehicle can file for its lost title. I find it humorous the number
of people who list a car for sale on the internet and say "you will have to
file for a lost title"...which cannot be done in Oklahoma if you are not
the registered owner. As in the case of many vintage cars, they may not
have the VIN or owner on file. Oddly, the tax commission would even suggest
a title 42 process...but that was because they knew that was the only
method in place for obtaining it.
The "title 42" process recently changed dramatically. People were using
that process to obtain titles for cars that they purchased without one.
Which admittedly seems justifiable because there SHOULD be a way to legally
obtain a title for car purchased honestly without a title. For example...a
man has a car in a barn or hayfield... his grandfather owned it, left it to
his son who left it to his son and the title hasn't been seen in decades.
There honestly should be a way for that car to be titled. People were
drafting up the title 42 paperwork, falsifying the names for mechanics and
owners and all the requirements therein, and getting titles issued for cars
they purchased under honest conditions. The DMV / Tax Commission finally
caught on and changed the process in Oklahoma. I haven't seen the new
process in detail yet but its now a FELONY to falsify your information in
such process, and there is several checks and balances in place to ensure
you don't. Plus even the original title 42 process is like an out-of-state
purchase...a visual vin inspection is required by the title agency.
Not sure what other states are doing. I even know people are doing the
title 42 in OTHER states, Then importing the car into their own to skirt
the process. Moral of the story... Im not saying it cant be done, but be
VERY clear about what you need to do in order to obtain the title, prior to
buying. Do your research first. Some states do allow a process for
affidavit signing and a court-order issued title... but they only time I
have seen that work is if its a car that has no history on file, good or
bad and you have to appear in the county courthouse etc.
Thats about all I know about that.
Cullen
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm just catching up on list emails so apologies if this has already
> been answered.
> Has the eBay lsiting text has been amended since it was first posted?
> I'm damn sure it said the car came out of California or did I read that
> somewhere on a list response? The ad does state it was purchased from a
> salvage pool, which may present challenges obtaining even a salvage
> title without a state inspection to verify it has been professionally
> repaired to roadworthy condition. The process may be made more
> difficult if it is recorded in an insurance loss datablase. Obviously
> the repair and inspection wouldn't be viable if purchased for export
> and intended repair overseas. Check with your local DMV as the ability
> to retitle a salvage vehicle varies considerably state to state.
> Julian
> Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 21:25:37 +0200
> From: patrickhals at gmail.com
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Project on Ebay
> is it possible to get a title ?
> The seller answered me it was sold with a Bill of sale only.
> Yet, the VIN seems to be 3151, so it should have been titled somewhere ...
> I have not seen that the ZF was included??? Am i wrong ?
> If someone goes and inspect it , I'd like to see the report :>))
> A French friend of mine is looking for a Pantera body.
> It is already priced at 6092 USD... This already seems to be a lot
> Will definitely need help for shipping to Antwerp ( belgium ) ....should I
> win the auction ! ( unlikely )
> Pat ( Candy 2862 )
>
> Patrick Hals
> +32.476.567.898
>
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FWIW:
Oklahoma's title 42 process has recently changed. For those who do not
know, the title 42 process was specifically created so a "mechanic" can
file a lien against a piece of property for which he is owed value from
labor. It allows him to assume the value of the property to cover his
lost debt from non-paying owner.A It is not at all synonymous with
"filing for a lost title".A A lost-title process is
(technically)A appropriate onlyA if the person doing the filing is also
the person whose name is on the title in the DMV database. So, in other
words, only a "current" registered owner of a said vehicle can file for
its lost title. I find it humorous the number of people who list a car
for sale on the internet and say "you will have to file for a lost
title"...which cannot be done in Oklahoma if you are not the registered
owner. As in the case of many vintage cars, they may not have the VIN
or owner on file. Oddly, the tax commission would even suggest a title
42 process...but that was because they knew that was the only method in
place for obtaining it.
The "title 42" process recently changed dramatically. People were using
that process to obtain titles for cars that they purchased without one.
Which admittedly seems justifiable because there SHOULD be a way to
legally obtain a title for car purchased honestly without a title. For
example...a man has a car in a barn or hayfield... his grandfather
owned it, left it to his son who left it to his son and the title
hasn't been seen in decades. There honestly should be a way for that
car to be titled. People were drafting up the title 42 paperwork,
falsifying the names for mechanics and owners and all the requirements
therein, and getting titles issued for cars they purchased under honest
conditions. The DMV / Tax Commission finally caught on and changed the
process in Oklahoma. I haven't seen the new process in detail yet but
its now a FELONY to falsify your information in such process, and there
is several checks and balances in place to ensure you don't. Plus even
the original title 42 process is like an out-of-state purchase...a
visual vin inspection is required by the title agency.
Not sure what other states are doing. I even know people are doing the
title 42 in OTHER states, Then importing the car into their own to
skirt the process. Moral of the story... Im not saying it cant be done,
but be VERY clear about what you need to do in order to obtain the
title, prior to buying.A Do your research first.A Some states do allow
a process for affidavit signing and a court-order issued title... but
they only time I have seen that work is if its a car that has no
history on file, good or bad and you have to appear in the county
courthouse etc.
Thats about all I know about that.
Cullen
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Julian Kift
<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A I'm just catching up on list emails so apologies if this has
already
A A been answered.
A A Has the eBay lsiting text has been amended since it was first
posted?
A A I'm damn sure it said the car came out of California or did I
read that
A A somewhere on a list response? The ad does state it was
purchased from a
A A salvage pool, which may present challenges obtaining even a
salvage
A A title without a state inspection to verify it has been
professionally
A A repaired to roadworthy condition. The process may be made more
A A difficult if it is recorded in an insurance loss datablase.
Obviously
A A the repair and inspection wouldn't be viable if purchased for
export
A A and intended repair overseas. Check with your local DMV as the
ability
A A to retitle a salvage vehicle varies considerably state to
state.
A A Julian
A A Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 21:25:37 +0200
A A From: [2]patrickhals at gmail.com
A A To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Project on Ebay
is it possible to get a title ?
The seller answered me it was sold with a Bill of sale only.
Yet, the VIN seems to be 3151, so it should have been titled
somewhere ...
I have not seen that the ZF was included??? Am i wrong ?
If someone goes and inspect it , I'd like to see the report :>))
A French friend of mine is looking for a Pantera body.
It is already priced at 6092 USD... This already seems to be a lot
Will definitely need help for shipping to Antwerp ( belgium )
....should I
win the auction ! ( unlikely )
Pat ( Candy 2862 )
Patrick Hals
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