[DeTomaso] New Detomasos to be built in China

John Taphorn jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
Thu May 14 08:33:43 EDT 2015


Charlie, while I do not recall the instance you describe, I believe 
trademark protection went further back in time than that.  I offer this 
recollection in an effort to spark another's memory that may have been 
more involved or closer to the situation.

I had heard that when David Adler separated from POCA and started 
Pantera International, he sought to get sole you of the DeTomaso name 
for a competitive advantage over POCA.  He was denied and that 
initiative heightened the company's awareness of the need to protect the 
name.  DeTomaso sent letters to the Pantera vendors warning of the use 
of the name.

Who has the accurate story?

JT

On 5/14/2015 2:15 AM, Charles McCall wrote:
>     If I remember correctly, there was never any problema with using the
>     DeTomaso name or logo until a few years ago, when the official DeTomaso
>     name changed hands. The then-new owner (maybe it was Qvale?) went after
>     the US vendors for using their name without authorization, threatened
>     them with lawsuits, etc.
>     A
>     After a certain amount of negotiation, they reached an agreement
>     allowing the US vendors to continue using the name without paying any
>     sort of royalty, assuming they differentiated between "Classic"
>     DeTomasos and "New" DeTomasos. I think that shortly after reaching this
>     agreement, the name changed hands again and the whole issue went away,
>     since nobody has really been "protecting" their copyright or name
>     since.
>     A
>     I don't know if Wilkinson actually paid for the name, was given rights
>     to use the name, or if simply the issue died a quiet death
>
>     On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Ed Mendez <[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
>       A  A I don't know call Steve and ask?A  [2]562-634-3434 Let us know,
>       It's what
>       A  A he told me.
>       A  A :-)
>       A  A On OR, at 14:11, Boyd Casey <[1][3]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>       A  A Even back in the 70's Ford only owned distribution rights for
>       Panteras
>       A  A in the USA. I would be very surprised if Steve had exclusive
>       world wide
>       A  A distribution of Pantera and Mangusta. And how do you explain
>       Kirk Evans
>       A  A and his import and distribution of the Pantera GT5S?
>       A  A Boyd
>       A  A On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Ed Mendez
>       <[2][4]edducati at mac.com>
>       A  A wrote:
>       A  A  A Apparently this purchase was only for the newer DeTomaso
>       cars that
>       A  A  A were built, post Pantera. I talked with Steve Wilkinson and
>       he owns
>       A  A  A the DeTomaso name for Pantera and Mangusta, from what I
>       understand.
>       A  A  A Ed
>       A  A  A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>       A  A  A > On May 11, 2015, at 08:48, Boyd Casey
>       <[3][5]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>
>     A  A  A wrote:
>     A  A  A >
>     A  A  A >A  A Personally I would not consider purchasing a car made in
>     China.
>     A  A  A I saw
>     A  A  A >A  A an episode of "Top Gear" where the three Brits went to
>     China and
>     A  A  A >A  A sampled a number of Cars manufactured in China. Some of
>     the
>     A  A  A older ones
>     A  A  A >A  A were a complete joke. The newer ones were all Knock offs
>     (in
>     A  A  A >A  A appearance) and while the quality was light years ahead
>     of the
>     A  A  A older
>     A  A  A >A  A cars A but still seemed to fall short of U.S. or European
>     A  A  A standards. I
>     A  A  A >A  A have had my share of ChineseA Pantera parts A sold by one
>     of our
>     A  A  A >A  A vendors that were total crap A . One example was a clutch
>     master
>     A  A  A >A  A cylinder. It was represented as "made in Italy" but it
>     was a
>     A  A  A very poor
>     A  A  A >A  A copy that appeared to be made from a sand casting of an
>     A  A  A original. The
>     A  A  A >A  A lettering was not crisp and clear (like an authentic one)
>     and it
>     A  A  A >A  A wouldn't work until I rebuilt it using some of the parts
>     from
>     A  A  A the MC I
>     A  A  A >A  A was replacing. So if that's any indication of the quality
>     I
>     A  A  A don't think
>     A  A  A >A  A you would even be able to get it up to US federal
>     standards (DOT
>     A  A  A & EPA)
>     A  A  A >A  A so if the new DeTomaso automobiles are made in China that
>     may be
>     A  A  A the
>     A  A  A >A  A only place you will see them.
>     A  A  A >A  A A Bob Levitt travels to China on business fairly often.
>     If
>     A  A  A DeTomaso
>     A  A  A >A  A A production does ever come to fruition and they are
>     A  A  A manufactured in
>     A  A  A >A  A China we will be able to get a first hand report on there
>     A  A  A quality from
>     A  A  A >A  A Bob. A A
>     A  A  A >A  A This is only speculation and my personal opinion.
>     A  A  A >A  A Boyd
>     A  A  A >
>     A  A  A >A  A On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso
>
>       A  A  A >A  A <[1][4][6]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>       A  A  A >
>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A I don't think they were actually working.
>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A Probably on unemployment until the new
>       factory opened,
>       A  A  A but now
>       A  A  A >A  A  A it never
>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A will so all hope is lost for them.
>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A Jim
>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A -----Original Message-----
>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A From: Carguy60 via DeTomaso
>       <[2][5][7]detomaso at poca.com>
>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A To: Charles McCall
>       <[3][6][8]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
>       <[4][7][9]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A Sent: Sat, May 9, 2015 9:25 am
>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Detomasos to be
>       built in
>       A  A  A China
>       A  A  A >A  A  A So what was the current workforce producing?AA
>       Just curious.
>       A  A  A >A  A  A Dennis Valdez
>       A  A  A >A  A  A On May 9, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Charles McCall
>
>     A  A  A >A  A  A <[1][5][8][10]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>     A  A  A >A  A  A I've read a few articles that implied the same -
>     apparently
>     A  A  A the only
>     A  A  A >A  A  A business
>     A  A  A >A  A  A plan that was presented that involved maintaining the
>     A  A  A workforce and
>     A  A  A >A  A  A production
>     A  A  A >A  A  A in Italy was that presented by the Swiss, and that
>     didn't come
>     A  A  A >A  A  A through. This
>     A  A  A >A  A  A implies that the other plans included delocalization.
>     A  A  A >>
>     A  A  A >> IMO, delocalization
>     A  A  A >A  A  A to China would be a huge mistake. I can understand
>     buying the
>     A  A  A >A  A  A DeTomaso name for
>     A  A  A >A  A  A a million dollars, euros, whatever. To a certain
>     extent, it is
>     A  A  A >A  A  A somewhat
>     A  A  A >A  A  A philosophical whose capital is behind a well-known
>     name. As
>     A  A  A Julian
>     A  A  A >A  A  A (I think)
>     A  A  A >A  A  A said, Jaguar is owned by Indians,AA  and while they
>     may call
>     A  A  A the
>     A  A  A >A  A  A shots the cars
>     A  A  A >A  A  A are built in the same factories as before and are
>     infused with
>     A  A  A >A  A  A English culture.
>     A  A  A >A  A  A Therefore they maintain much of the value of the name.
>     A  A  A >>
>     A  A  A >> Designing and
>     A  A  A >A  A  A manufacturing a supercar in China will also infuse the
>     car
>     A  A  A with
>     A  A  A >A  A  A Chinese culture.
>     A  A  A >A  A  A Not sure how many customers they can lure away from
>     Corvette,
>     A  A  A >A  A  A Ferrari,
>     A  A  A >A  A  A Lamborghini, etc to buy an all-Chinese car instead. It
>     will
>     A  A  A have to
>     A  A  A >A  A  A be very,
>     A  A  A >A  A  A very, very good to overcome that stigma and partially
>     defeats
>     A  A  A the
>     A  A  A >A  A  A benefit gained
>     A  A  A >A  A  A from buying an Italian name.
>     A  A  A >>
>     A  A  A >> -----Original Message-----
>     A  A  A >> From: DeTomaso
>
>       A  A  A >A  A  A [[2]mailto:[6][9][11]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
>       Behalf Of Rob
>       A  A  A Dumoulin
>       A  A  A >> Sent: sA!bado, 9
>       A  A  A >A  A  A de mayo de 2015 11:45
>       A  A  A >> To: DeTomaso Mail List
>       A  A  A >> Subject: [DeTomaso] New
>       A  A  A >A  A  A Detomasos to be built in China
>       A  A  A >>
>       A  A  A >> Or so the article states
>       A  A  A >
>       A  A
>       A [3][7][10][12]http://europe.autonews.com/article/20150507/ANE/1505
>       09893?
>       A  A  A temp
>       A  A  A >A  A  A late=mobile02
>       A  A  A >>
>       A  A  A >>
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>       A [14][17][19]http://europe.autonews.com/article/20150507/ANE/150509
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>       A  A  A mpla
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>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A 4. mailto:[15][18][20]DeTomaso at poca.com
>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A 5.
>       A  A
>       A [16][19][21]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A 6. mailto:[17][20][22]DeTomaso at poca.com
>       A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A 7.
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>       A  A  A >A  A 3. mailto:[26][28]charlesmccall at gmail.com
>       A  A  A >A  A 4. mailto:[27][29]DeTomaso at poca.com
>       A  A  A >A  A 5. mailto:[28][30]charlesmccall at gmail.com
>       A  A  A >A  A 6. mailto:[29][31]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>       A  A  A >A  A 7.
>       A  A
>       A [30][32]http://europe.autonews.com/article/20150507/ANE/150509893?
>       templa
>       A  A  A te=mobile02
>       A  A  A >A  A 8. mailto:[31][33]DeTomaso at poca.com
>       A  A  A >A  A 9.
>       [32][34]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>       A  A  A >A  10. mailto:[33][35]DeTomaso at poca.com
>       A  A  A >A  11.
>       [34][36]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>       A  A  A >A  12. mailto:[35][37]charlesmccall at gmail.com
>       A  A  A >A  13. mailto:[36][38]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>       A  A  A >A  14.
>       A  A
>       A [37][39]http://europe.autonews.com/article/20150507/ANE/150509893?
>       templa
>       A  A  A te=mobile02
>       A  A  A >A  15. mailto:[38][40]DeTomaso at poca.com
>       A  A  A >A  16.
>       [39][41]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>       A  A  A >A  17. mailto:[40][42]DeTomaso at poca.com
>       A  A  A >A  18.
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>       A  A  A >A  19. mailto:[42][44]DeTomaso at poca.com
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>       A  A 4. mailto:[51]detomaso at poca.com
>       A  A 5. mailto:[52]detomaso at poca.com
>       A  A 6. mailto:[53]charlesmccall at gmail.com
>       A  A 7. mailto:[54]DeTomaso at poca.com
>       A  A 8. mailto:[55]charlesmccall at gmail.com
>       A  A 9. mailto:[56]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>       A  10.
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>       A  13. mailto:[60]DeTomaso at poca.com
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>       A  15. mailto:[62]charlesmccall at gmail.com
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>       A  17.
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>       A  20. mailto:[67]DeTomaso at poca.com
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>       A  24. mailto:[71]detomaso at poca.com
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>       A  26. mailto:[73]charlesmccall at gmail.com
>       A  27. mailto:[74]DeTomaso at poca.com
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>       A  30.
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   Charlie, while I do not recall the instance you describe, I believe
   trademark protection went further back in time than that.  I offer this
   recollection in an effort to spark another's memory that may have been
   more involved or closer to the situation.
   I had heard that when David Adler separated from POCA and started
   Pantera International, he sought to get sole you of the DeTomaso name
   for a competitive advantage over POCA.  He was denied and that
   initiative heightened the company's awareness of the need to protect
   the name.  DeTomaso sent letters to the Pantera vendors warning of the
   use of the name.
   Who has the accurate story?
   JT

   On 5/14/2015 2:15 AM, Charles McCall wrote:

   If I remember correctly, there was never any problema with using the
   DeTomaso name or logo until a few years ago, when the official DeTomaso
   name changed hands. The then-new owner (maybe it was Qvale?) went after
   the US vendors for using their name without authorization, threatened
   them with lawsuits, etc.
   A
   After a certain amount of negotiation, they reached an agreement
   allowing the US vendors to continue using the name without paying any
   sort of royalty, assuming they differentiated between "Classic"
   DeTomasos and "New" DeTomasos. I think that shortly after reaching this
   agreement, the name changed hands again and the whole issue went away,
   since nobody has really been "protecting" their copyright or name
   since.
   A
   I don't know if Wilkinson actually paid for the name, was given rights
   to use the name, or if simply the issue died a quiet death

   On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Ed Mendez [1]<[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:

     A  A I don't know call Steve and ask?A  [2]562-634-3434 Let us know,
     It's what
     A  A he told me.
     A  A :-)
     A  A On OR, at 14:11, Boyd Casey [2]<[1][3]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
     A  A Even back in the 70's Ford only owned distribution rights for
     Panteras
     A  A in the USA. I would be very surprised if Steve had exclusive
     world wide
     A  A distribution of Pantera and Mangusta. And how do you explain
     Kirk Evans
     A  A and his import and distribution of the Pantera GT5S?
     A  A Boyd
     A  A On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Ed Mendez
     [3]<[2][4]edducati at mac.com>
     A  A wrote:
     A  A  A Apparently this purchase was only for the newer DeTomaso
     cars that
     A  A  A were built, post Pantera. I talked with Steve Wilkinson and
     he owns
     A  A  A the DeTomaso name for Pantera and Mangusta, from what I
     understand.
     A  A  A Ed
     A  A  A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
     A  A  A > On May 11, 2015, at 08:48, Boyd Casey
     [4]<[3][5]boyd411 at gmail.com>

   A  A  A wrote:
   A  A  A >
   A  A  A >A  A Personally I would not consider purchasing a car made in
   China.
   A  A  A I saw
   A  A  A >A  A an episode of "Top Gear" where the three Brits went to
   China and
   A  A  A >A  A sampled a number of Cars manufactured in China. Some of
   the
   A  A  A older ones
   A  A  A >A  A were a complete joke. The newer ones were all Knock offs
   (in
   A  A  A >A  A appearance) and while the quality was light years ahead
   of the
   A  A  A older
   A  A  A >A  A cars A but still seemed to fall short of U.S. or European
   A  A  A standards. I
   A  A  A >A  A have had my share of ChineseA Pantera parts A sold by one
   of our
   A  A  A >A  A vendors that were total crap A . One example was a clutch
   master
   A  A  A >A  A cylinder. It was represented as "made in Italy" but it
   was a
   A  A  A very poor
   A  A  A >A  A copy that appeared to be made from a sand casting of an
   A  A  A original. The
   A  A  A >A  A lettering was not crisp and clear (like an authentic one)
   and it
   A  A  A >A  A wouldn't work until I rebuilt it using some of the parts
   from
   A  A  A the MC I
   A  A  A >A  A was replacing. So if that's any indication of the quality
   I
   A  A  A don't think
   A  A  A >A  A you would even be able to get it up to US federal
   standards (DOT
   A  A  A & EPA)
   A  A  A >A  A so if the new DeTomaso automobiles are made in China that
   may be
   A  A  A the
   A  A  A >A  A only place you will see them.
   A  A  A >A  A A Bob Levitt travels to China on business fairly often.
   If
   A  A  A DeTomaso
   A  A  A >A  A A production does ever come to fruition and they are
   A  A  A manufactured in
   A  A  A >A  A China we will be able to get a first hand report on there
   A  A  A quality from
   A  A  A >A  A Bob. A A
   A  A  A >A  A This is only speculation and my personal opinion.
   A  A  A >A  A Boyd
   A  A  A >
   A  A  A >A  A On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso

     A  A  A >A  A [5]<[1][4][6]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A I don't think they were actually working.
     A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A Probably on unemployment until the new
     factory opened,
     A  A  A but now
     A  A  A >A  A  A it never
     A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A will so all hope is lost for them.
     A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A Jim
     A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A -----Original Message-----
     A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A From: Carguy60 via DeTomaso
     [6]<[2][5][7]detomaso at poca.com>
     A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A To: Charles McCall
     [7]<[3][6][8]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
     A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
     [8]<[4][7][9]DeTomaso at poca.com>
     A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A Sent: Sat, May 9, 2015 9:25 am
     A  A  A >A  A  A AA  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Detomasos to be
     built in
     A  A  A China
     A  A  A >A  A  A So what was the current workforce producing?AA
     Just curious.
     A  A  A >A  A  A Dennis Valdez
     A  A  A >A  A  A On May 9, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Charles McCall

   A  A  A >A  A  A [9]<[1][5][8][10]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
   A  A  A >A  A  A I've read a few articles that implied the same -
   apparently
   A  A  A the only
   A  A  A >A  A  A business
   A  A  A >A  A  A plan that was presented that involved maintaining the
   A  A  A workforce and
   A  A  A >A  A  A production
   A  A  A >A  A  A in Italy was that presented by the Swiss, and that
   didn't come
   A  A  A >A  A  A through. This
   A  A  A >A  A  A implies that the other plans included delocalization.
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >> IMO, delocalization
   A  A  A >A  A  A to China would be a huge mistake. I can understand
   buying the
   A  A  A >A  A  A DeTomaso name for
   A  A  A >A  A  A a million dollars, euros, whatever. To a certain
   extent, it is
   A  A  A >A  A  A somewhat
   A  A  A >A  A  A philosophical whose capital is behind a well-known
   name. As
   A  A  A Julian
   A  A  A >A  A  A (I think)
   A  A  A >A  A  A said, Jaguar is owned by Indians,AA  and while they
   may call
   A  A  A the
   A  A  A >A  A  A shots the cars
   A  A  A >A  A  A are built in the same factories as before and are
   infused with
   A  A  A >A  A  A English culture.
   A  A  A >A  A  A Therefore they maintain much of the value of the name.
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >> Designing and
   A  A  A >A  A  A manufacturing a supercar in China will also infuse the
   car
   A  A  A with
   A  A  A >A  A  A Chinese culture.
   A  A  A >A  A  A Not sure how many customers they can lure away from
   Corvette,
   A  A  A >A  A  A Ferrari,
   A  A  A >A  A  A Lamborghini, etc to buy an all-Chinese car instead. It
   will
   A  A  A have to
   A  A  A >A  A  A be very,
   A  A  A >A  A  A very, very good to overcome that stigma and partially
   defeats
   A  A  A the
   A  A  A >A  A  A benefit gained
   A  A  A >A  A  A from buying an Italian name.
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >> -----Original Message-----
   A  A  A >> From: DeTomaso

     A  A  A >A  A  A [[2]mailto:[6][9][[10]11]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
     Behalf Of Rob
     A  A  A Dumoulin
     A  A  A >> Sent: sA!bado, 9
     A  A  A >A  A  A de mayo de 2015 11:45
     A  A  A >> To: DeTomaso Mail List
     A  A  A >> Subject: [DeTomaso] New
     A  A  A >A  A  A Detomasos to be built in China
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >> Or so the article states
     A  A  A >
     A  A
     A [3][7][10][12][11]http://europe.autonews.com/article/20150507/ANE/1505
     09893?
     A  A  A temp
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