[DeTomaso] New Detomasos to be built in China
Charles McCall
charlesmccall at gmail.com
Thu May 14 03:15:51 EDT 2015
If I remember correctly, there was never any problema with using the
DeTomaso name or logo until a few years ago, when the official DeTomaso
name changed hands. The then-new owner (maybe it was Qvale?) went after the
US vendors for using their name without authorization, threatened them with
lawsuits, etc.
After a certain amount of negotiation, they reached an agreement allowing
the US vendors to continue using the name without paying any sort of
royalty, assuming they differentiated between "Classic" DeTomasos and "New"
DeTomasos. I think that shortly after reaching this agreement, the name
changed hands again and the whole issue went away, since nobody has really
been "protecting" their copyright or name since.
I don't know if Wilkinson actually paid for the name, was given rights to
use the name, or if simply the issue died a quiet death
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> I don't know call Steve and ask? 562-634-3434 Let us know, It's what
> he told me.
>
> :-)
>
> On OR, at 14:11, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Even back in the 70's Ford only owned distribution rights for Panteras
> in the USA. I would be very surprised if Steve had exclusive world wide
> distribution of Pantera and Mangusta. And how do you explain Kirk Evans
> and his import and distribution of the Pantera GT5S?
> Boyd
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Ed Mendez <[2]edducati at mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> Apparently this purchase was only for the newer DeTomaso cars that
> were built, post Pantera. I talked with Steve Wilkinson and he owns
> the DeTomaso name for Pantera and Mangusta, from what I understand.
> Ed
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> > On May 11, 2015, at 08:48, Boyd Casey <[3]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Personally I would not consider purchasing a car made in China.
> I saw
> > an episode of "Top Gear" where the three Brits went to China and
> > sampled a number of Cars manufactured in China. Some of the
> older ones
> > were a complete joke. The newer ones were all Knock offs (in
> > appearance) and while the quality was light years ahead of the
> older
> > cars A but still seemed to fall short of U.S. or European
> standards. I
> > have had my share of ChineseA Pantera parts A sold by one of our
> > vendors that were total crap A . One example was a clutch master
> > cylinder. It was represented as "made in Italy" but it was a
> very poor
> > copy that appeared to be made from a sand casting of an
> original. The
> > lettering was not crisp and clear (like an authentic one) and it
> > wouldn't work until I rebuilt it using some of the parts from
> the MC I
> > was replacing. So if that's any indication of the quality I
> don't think
> > you would even be able to get it up to US federal standards (DOT
> & EPA)
> > so if the new DeTomaso automobiles are made in China that may be
> the
> > only place you will see them.
> > A Bob Levitt travels to China on business fairly often. If
> DeTomaso
> > A production does ever come to fruition and they are
> manufactured in
> > China we will be able to get a first hand report on there
> quality from
> > Bob. A A
> > This is only speculation and my personal opinion.
> > Boyd
> >
> > On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso
> > <[1][4]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A I don't think they were actually working.
> > A A Probably on unemployment until the new factory opened,
> but now
> > it never
> > A A will so all hope is lost for them.
> > A A Jim
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: Carguy60 via DeTomaso <[2][5]detomaso at poca.com>
> > A A To: Charles McCall <[3][6]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> > A A Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[4][7]DeTomaso at poca.com>
> > A A Sent: Sat, May 9, 2015 9:25 am
> > A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Detomasos to be built in
> China
> > So what was the current workforce producing?A Just curious.
> > Dennis Valdez
> > On May 9, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Charles McCall
> > <[1][5][8]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've read a few articles that implied the same - apparently
> the only
> > business
> > plan that was presented that involved maintaining the
> workforce and
> > production
> > in Italy was that presented by the Swiss, and that didn't come
> > through. This
> > implies that the other plans included delocalization.
> >>
> >> IMO, delocalization
> > to China would be a huge mistake. I can understand buying the
> > DeTomaso name for
> > a million dollars, euros, whatever. To a certain extent, it is
> > somewhat
> > philosophical whose capital is behind a well-known name. As
> Julian
> > (I think)
> > said, Jaguar is owned by Indians,A and while they may call
> the
> > shots the cars
> > are built in the same factories as before and are infused with
> > English culture.
> > Therefore they maintain much of the value of the name.
> >>
> >> Designing and
> > manufacturing a supercar in China will also infuse the car
> with
> > Chinese culture.
> > Not sure how many customers they can lure away from Corvette,
> > Ferrari,
> > Lamborghini, etc to buy an all-Chinese car instead. It will
> have to
> > be very,
> > very, very good to overcome that stigma and partially defeats
> the
> > benefit gained
> > from buying an Italian name.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
> > [[2]mailto:[6][9]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Rob
> Dumoulin
> >> Sent: sA!bado, 9
> > de mayo de 2015 11:45
> >> To: DeTomaso Mail List
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] New
> > Detomasos to be built in China
> >>
> >> Or so the article states
> >
> [3][7][10]http://europe.autonews.com/article/20150507/ANE/150509893?
> temp
> > late=mobile02
> >>
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If I remember correctly, there was never any problema with using the
DeTomaso name or logo until a few years ago, when the official DeTomaso
name changed hands. The then-new owner (maybe it was Qvale?) went after
the US vendors for using their name without authorization, threatened
them with lawsuits, etc.
A
After a certain amount of negotiation, they reached an agreement
allowing the US vendors to continue using the name without paying any
sort of royalty, assuming they differentiated between "Classic"
DeTomasos and "New" DeTomasos. I think that shortly after reaching this
agreement, the name changed hands again and the whole issue went away,
since nobody has really been "protecting" their copyright or name
since.
A
I don't know if Wilkinson actually paid for the name, was given rights
to use the name, or if simply the issue died a quiet death
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Ed Mendez <[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
A A I don't know call Steve and ask?A [2]562-634-3434 Let us know,
It's what
A A he told me.
A A :-)
A A On OR, at 14:11, Boyd Casey <[1][3]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
A A Even back in the 70's Ford only owned distribution rights for
Panteras
A A in the USA. I would be very surprised if Steve had exclusive
world wide
A A distribution of Pantera and Mangusta. And how do you explain
Kirk Evans
A A and his import and distribution of the Pantera GT5S?
A A Boyd
A A On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Ed Mendez
<[2][4]edducati at mac.com>
A A wrote:
A A A Apparently this purchase was only for the newer DeTomaso
cars that
A A A were built, post Pantera. I talked with Steve Wilkinson and
he owns
A A A the DeTomaso name for Pantera and Mangusta, from what I
understand.
A A A Ed
A A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
A A A > On May 11, 2015, at 08:48, Boyd Casey
<[3][5]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A >
A A A >A A Personally I would not consider purchasing a car made in
China.
A A A I saw
A A A >A A an episode of "Top Gear" where the three Brits went to
China and
A A A >A A sampled a number of Cars manufactured in China. Some of
the
A A A older ones
A A A >A A were a complete joke. The newer ones were all Knock offs
(in
A A A >A A appearance) and while the quality was light years ahead
of the
A A A older
A A A >A A cars A but still seemed to fall short of U.S. or European
A A A standards. I
A A A >A A have had my share of ChineseA Pantera parts A sold by one
of our
A A A >A A vendors that were total crap A . One example was a clutch
master
A A A >A A cylinder. It was represented as "made in Italy" but it
was a
A A A very poor
A A A >A A copy that appeared to be made from a sand casting of an
A A A original. The
A A A >A A lettering was not crisp and clear (like an authentic one)
and it
A A A >A A wouldn't work until I rebuilt it using some of the parts
from
A A A the MC I
A A A >A A was replacing. So if that's any indication of the quality
I
A A A don't think
A A A >A A you would even be able to get it up to US federal
standards (DOT
A A A & EPA)
A A A >A A so if the new DeTomaso automobiles are made in China that
may be
A A A the
A A A >A A only place you will see them.
A A A >A A A Bob Levitt travels to China on business fairly often.
If
A A A DeTomaso
A A A >A A A production does ever come to fruition and they are
A A A manufactured in
A A A >A A China we will be able to get a first hand report on there
A A A quality from
A A A >A A Bob. A A
A A A >A A This is only speculation and my personal opinion.
A A A >A A Boyd
A A A >
A A A >A A On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso
A A A >A A <[1][4][6]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
A A A >
A A A >A A A AA A I don't think they were actually working.
A A A >A A A AA A Probably on unemployment until the new
factory opened,
A A A but now
A A A >A A A it never
A A A >A A A AA A will so all hope is lost for them.
A A A >A A A AA A Jim
A A A >A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
A A A >A A A AA A From: Carguy60 via DeTomaso
<[2][5][7]detomaso at poca.com>
A A A >A A A AA A To: Charles McCall
<[3][6][8]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A A >A A A AA A Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
<[4][7][9]DeTomaso at poca.com>
A A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sat, May 9, 2015 9:25 am
A A A >A A A AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Detomasos to be
built in
A A A China
A A A >A A A So what was the current workforce producing?AA
Just curious.
A A A >A A A Dennis Valdez
A A A >A A A On May 9, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Charles McCall
A A A >A A A <[1][5][8][10]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A >A A A I've read a few articles that implied the same -
apparently
A A A the only
A A A >A A A business
A A A >A A A plan that was presented that involved maintaining the
A A A workforce and
A A A >A A A production
A A A >A A A in Italy was that presented by the Swiss, and that
didn't come
A A A >A A A through. This
A A A >A A A implies that the other plans included delocalization.
A A A >>
A A A >> IMO, delocalization
A A A >A A A to China would be a huge mistake. I can understand
buying the
A A A >A A A DeTomaso name for
A A A >A A A a million dollars, euros, whatever. To a certain
extent, it is
A A A >A A A somewhat
A A A >A A A philosophical whose capital is behind a well-known
name. As
A A A Julian
A A A >A A A (I think)
A A A >A A A said, Jaguar is owned by Indians,AA and while they
may call
A A A the
A A A >A A A shots the cars
A A A >A A A are built in the same factories as before and are
infused with
A A A >A A A English culture.
A A A >A A A Therefore they maintain much of the value of the name.
A A A >>
A A A >> Designing and
A A A >A A A manufacturing a supercar in China will also infuse the
car
A A A with
A A A >A A A Chinese culture.
A A A >A A A Not sure how many customers they can lure away from
Corvette,
A A A >A A A Ferrari,
A A A >A A A Lamborghini, etc to buy an all-Chinese car instead. It
will
A A A have to
A A A >A A A be very,
A A A >A A A very, very good to overcome that stigma and partially
defeats
A A A the
A A A >A A A benefit gained
A A A >A A A from buying an Italian name.
A A A >>
A A A >> -----Original Message-----
A A A >> From: DeTomaso
A A A >A A A [[2]mailto:[6][9][11]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of Rob
A A A Dumoulin
A A A >> Sent: sA!bado, 9
A A A >A A A de mayo de 2015 11:45
A A A >> To: DeTomaso Mail List
A A A >> Subject: [DeTomaso] New
A A A >A A A Detomasos to be built in China
A A A >>
A A A >> Or so the article states
A A A >
A A
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09893?
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A A A >A A A late=mobile02
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