[DeTomaso] De Tomaso -- the company -- sells for roughly the price of a LaFerrari | Autoweek

Sat May 2 10:18:45 EDT 2015

I think you nailed it Charlie, but at least VW is German engineering......
That said look at the new F-Type Jag, I think t's a great product and Jaguar is owned by Tata Motors of India.
It's a pretty incestuous industry that has consolidated over the years, even Ford has a stake in Mazda and Fiat owns Jeep, Ram & SRT. Here's a 2013 list of who owns what;
BMW: Mini and Rolls Royce.Fiat: Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Ferrari, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Ram and SRT.Ford Motor Company: Lincoln and a small stake in Mazda.
General Motors: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, and GMC. GM owns a controlling interest in Opel and Vauxhall in Europe and Holden in Australia.
Honda: Acura.Hyundai: Kia.
Tata Motors (India): Jaguar and Land Rover.Mazda mostly independently owned (Ford has small stake)Mitsubishi is independently owned.Daimler AG: Mercedes-Benz and Smart.Nissan: Infiniti. (Nissan, in turn, is owned by Renault.)Saab is owned by National Electric Vehicle Sweden (NEVS).Subaru: Owned by Fuji Heavy Industries with Toyota a minority partner.Tesla: Toyota is a minority partner. Partnership with Daimler AG.Toyota Motor Company: Lexus, Scion, Daihatsu and Hino Motors, with a stake in Fuji Industries (Subaru's parent company) and Isuzu.
Volkswagen: Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, and overseas-brands SEAT and Skoda.Volvo is owned by Chinese-automaker Zhejiang Geely Holding Group, aka Geely.
> From: charlesmccall at gmail.com
> To: tonydigi at optonline.net; detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 16:00:32 +0200
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso -- the company -- sells for roughly the	price of a LaFerrari | Autoweek
> 
> The name. Really it's only the name. 
> 
> The reaction on the Forum to the news that the Chinese bought the name is
> exactly why it has some value. Who would plunk down $100K for a new sports
> car named Xi Lu Tu? Few people. Who would put down the same money to buy a
> car made by "the resurrected DeTomaso - the company that made legendary cars
> in the 60s, 70s and 80s is back and is introducing an all-new Pantera"? No
> guarantees, but they have a better shot. Depending on how they play it, it
> isn't as important whose capital it is behind the company. 
> 
> The new Bugatti has absolutely nothing in common with the former Bugatti -
> VW uses the name to give it prestige. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tony
> DiGiovanna
> Sent: sábado, 2 de mayo de 2015 15:46
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso -- the company -- sells for roughly the
> price of a LaFerrari | Autoweek
> 
> What assets does "DeTomaso" own that makes it worth $1M?  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Larry Weston
> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2015 7:00 AM
> To: Ed Mendez; MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso -- the company -- sells for roughly the
> price of a LaFerrari | Autoweek
> 
> A little more in the POCA bank account and we could make a bid next time.
> 
> > From: edducati at mac.com
> > Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 19:46:56 -0700
> > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > CC: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso -- the company -- sells for roughly the
> price	of a LaFerrari | Autoweek
> > 
> > Oh WTF!?
> > 
> > Not the Chinese!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> > 
> > > On May 1, 2015, at 17:41, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi guys,
> > > 
> > > It seems De Tomaso is in the news announcing a new owner about every
> other week or so. Here is the latest:
> > > 
> > > http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/de-tomaso-sold-117-million-chin
> > > ese-buyer-after-deal-fizzles?utm_source=DailyDrive20150501&utm_mediu
> > > m=enewsletter&utm_term=headline-center&utm_content=body&utm_campaign
> > > =awdailydrive
> > > 
> > > Mike
> > > 
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   I think you nailed it Charlie, but at least VW is German
   engineering......
   That said look at the new F-Type Jag, I think t's a great product and
   Jaguar is owned by Tata Motors of India.
   It's a pretty incestuous industry that has consolidated over the years,
   even Ford has a stake in Mazda and Fiat owns Jeep, Ram & SRT. Here's a
   2013 list of who owns what;

   BMW: Mini and Rolls Royce.

   Fiat: Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Ferrari, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Ram
   and SRT.

   Ford Motor Company: Lincoln and a small stake in Mazda.
   General Motors: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, and GMC. GM owns a
   controlling interest in Opel and Vauxhall in Europe and Holden in
   Australia.
   Honda: Acura.

   Hyundai: Kia.
   Tata Motors (India): Jaguar and Land Rover.

   Mazda mostly independently owned (Ford has small stake)

   Mitsubishi is independently owned.

   Daimler AG: Mercedes-Benz and Smart.

   Nissan: Infiniti. (Nissan, in turn, is owned by Renault.)

   Saab is owned by National Electric Vehicle Sweden (NEVS).

   Subaru: Owned by Fuji Heavy Industries with Toyota a minority partner.

   Tesla: Toyota is a minority partner. Partnership with Daimler AG.

   Toyota Motor Company: Lexus, Scion, Daihatsu and Hino Motors, with a
   stake in Fuji Industries (Subaru's parent company) and Isuzu.
   Volkswagen: Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, and
   overseas-brands SEAT and Skoda.

   Volvo is owned by Chinese-automaker Zhejiang Geely Holding Group, aka
   Geely.
   > From: charlesmccall at gmail.com
   > To: tonydigi at optonline.net; detomaso at poca.com
   > Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 16:00:32 +0200
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso -- the company -- sells for roughly
   the price of a LaFerrari | Autoweek
   >
   > The name. Really it's only the name.
   >
   > The reaction on the Forum to the news that the Chinese bought the
   name is
   > exactly why it has some value. Who would plunk down $100K for a new
   sports
   > car named Xi Lu Tu? Few people. Who would put down the same money to
   buy a
   > car made by "the resurrected DeTomaso - the company that made
   legendary cars
   > in the 60s, 70s and 80s is back and is introducing an all-new
   Pantera"? No
   > guarantees, but they have a better shot. Depending on how they play
   it, it
   > isn't as important whose capital it is behind the company.
   >
   > The new Bugatti has absolutely nothing in common with the former
   Bugatti -
   > VW uses the name to give it prestige.
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tony
   > DiGiovanna
   > Sent: sabado, 2 de mayo de 2015 15:46
   > To: detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso -- the company -- sells for roughly
   the
   > price of a LaFerrari | Autoweek
   >
   > What assets does "DeTomaso" own that makes it worth $1M?
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Larry
   Weston
   > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2015 7:00 AM
   > To: Ed Mendez; MikeLDrew at aol.com
   > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso -- the company -- sells for roughly
   the
   > price of a LaFerrari | Autoweek
   >
   > A little more in the POCA bank account and we could make a bid next
   time.
   >
   > > From: edducati at mac.com
   > > Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 19:46:56 -0700
   > > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
   > > CC: detomaso at poca.com
   > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso -- the company -- sells for
   roughly the
   > price of a LaFerrari | Autoweek
   > >
   > > Oh WTF!?
   > >
   > > Not the Chinese!
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
   > >
   > > > On May 1, 2015, at 17:41, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at poca.com>
   > wrote:
   > > >
   > > > Hi guys,
   > > >
   > > > It seems De Tomaso is in the news announcing a new owner about
   every
   > other week or so. Here is the latest:
   > > >
   > > >
   http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/de-tomaso-sold-117-million-chin
   > > >
   ese-buyer-after-deal-fizzles?utm_source=DailyDrive20150501&utm_mediu
   > > >
   m=enewsletter&utm_term=headline-center&utm_content=body&utm_campaign
   > > > =awdailydrive
   > > >
   > > > Mike
   > > >
   > > > Sent from my iPhone
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