[DeTomaso] Wilwood, Brembo brakes

Will Kooiman will.kooiman at gmail.com
Tue Mar 10 19:21:19 EDT 2015 

Isn¹t the bigger issue the size of the rotors?

I wouldn¹t be surprised if a stock sized rotor would work with big
calipers - but not the other way around.

I have Wilwood 6-pistons on the front of my car (from Quella), and they
fit 16² Marino clones.  They do not fit 8² Campys, even with the rotor
spaced pretty far out.

But I didn¹t tell him I wanted 6-piston calipers to fit stock wheels.  I
told him what I had, and what I wanted, and he sent something that works.

Actually, I told him I wanted the same calipers that Kirby had, because it
works.  But I might have larger rotors - Œcause I just gotta be a little
bigger.


On 3/10/15, 4:36 PM, "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:

>   I have the Super Stopper II brakes on my car, they will bring you to a
>   stop brutally fast,
>   esp with a vac booster in place, and very little if any fade, haven't
>   run across fade in 10 years.
>   Michael Shortt
>
>   On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Kirby Schrader
>   <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     A  A Mike,
>     A  A Further to this, having spoken to Dennis Quella just now, he
>     confirms
>     A  A that Wilwood still make the Grand National caliper that I have
>     on 1921
>     A  A and they make the smaller 6 piston SuperLite version that I
>     have on
>     A  A 1661 which will fit inside a Campagnolo.A
>     A  A Yes, the design has changed some, but it's still the smaller
>     piston and
>     A  A 6 of them.
>     A  A I'll still confirm that an old Campy I have will fit over the
>     older
>     A  A version.... Trouble is, I think all I have are 7"....
>     A  A :-)
>     A  A And I have been running the Wilwoods on 1661 since 1985. They
>     still
>     A  A work just peachy, thank you very much.
>     A  A :-)
>     A  A Later!
>     A  A Kirby
>     A  A [1][2]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/
>
>   A  A On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Kirby Schrader
>   A  A <[2][3]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
>   A  A Mike,
>   A  A Please read my email again. You edited out where I clearly said:
>   A  A **1921, the race car, is actually running the Wilwood 6 piston
>   Grand
>   A  A National calipers.
>   A  A **These do NOT fit all 15a wheels (Campagnolo, for example), but
>   they
>   A  A too will fit the Gottis and Bassetts.
>   A  A Sure, the Grand National calipers won't fit Campies. I said that.
>   A  A Making the blatant statement that you cannot have 6 piston
>   calipers
>   A  A with 15" wheels is just wrong.
>   A  A Lots of people do it....
>   A  A Now you add caveats after the fact.
>   A  A :-)
>   A  A Oh, mine are old.
>   A  A Oh, I'm not using Campagnolos.
>   A  A That's enough to make me go home tonight and take a front wheel
>   off and
>   A  A try a Campy on 1661.
>   A  A I'll do that when I go out to put my new aluminum hubs and hats on
>   1921
>   A  A with my Wilwood 6 piston Grand National calipers.A
>   A  A All with 15" wheels and Avon slicks.
>   A  A :-)
>   A  A The vintage 1985 'old' 4 piston Wilwoods I have on the rear of
>   1661
>   A  A (and used to have on the front) were ground off on theA
>   A  A corners by none other than Quella (probably Kip) to fit the 8 and
>   10"
>   A  A Campies I used to have.
>   A  A When I replaced the front 4 piston calieprs with the 6 piston
>   model, it
>   A  A was a direct bolt on replacement.
>   A  A The newer 4 piston AND the small 6 piston Wilwoods have the
>   corners
>   A  A already beveled off and they still fit.
>   A  A I will take pictures to prove it, should you so desire.
>   A  A I will confirm the model I have when I get home tonight. I'm
>   pretty
>   A  A sure that Wilwood still makes them.
>   A  A if not, I will stand corrected on that point, but I still stick to
>   the
>   A  A statement that you CAN run 15" wheels and 6 piston calipers.
>   A  A Sticking to the facts in Magnolia,
>   A  A Kirby
>
>     A  A On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:31 AM, <[3][4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>     wrote:
>     A  A  A In a message dated 3/10/15 2 31 4,
>     [4][5]kirby.schrader at gmail.com
>
>   A  A  A writes:
>   A  A  A I have to differ with you with regard to 6 piston Wilwood
>   calipers,
>   A  A  A I have been running 6 piston calipers on the front of 1661 for
>   A  A  A years.
>   A  A  A I think I installed them back in 2000 or so. They are
>   SuperLites, I
>   A  A  A think.
>   A  A  A With 15a wheels.
>   A  A  A Yes, I have 18a wheels now for the street, but 15a Gottis or
>   A  A  A Bassetts fit just fine.
>   A  A  A >>>Ah, but you're not fully disclosing here.AA  You don't have
>   A  A  A standard 15-inch Campagnolo wheels on your car.AA  It's flared
>   and
>   A  A  A wears GT5-sized wheels.AA  Have you ever tried fitting a stock
>   wheel
>   A  A  A (either 7 or 8 inch) on the front of your car?AA  I suspect it
>   A  A  A wouldn't fit.AA  If it did, it would only fit because your
>   calipers
>   A  A  A are old.
>   A  A  A It certainly wouldn't fit with the type of Wilwood calipers
>   they
>   A  A  A sell now.AA  The old-school Wilwood castings were nice and
>   rounded,
>   A  A  A and provided plenty of clearance for smaller wheels.AA  The new
>   ones
>   A  A  A are much more box-shaped, unfortunately.AA  In fact, I have had
>   A  A  A four-piston Wilwood Superlites on my car since the early
>   1990s.A
>   A  A  A When I attempted to fit new four-piston Wilwood Superlites in
>   the
>   A  A  A front, they wouldn't fit initially due to the changed
>   architecture
>   A  A  A of the calipers, and new brackets let them fit, but just
>   barely.A
>   A  A  A And none of the currently-produced six-piston calipers would
>   even
>   A  A  A come close to fitting....
>   A  A  A Mike
>   References
>
>     A  A 1. [6]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/
>     A  A 2. mailto:[7]kirby.schrader at gmail.com
>     A  A 3. mailto:[8]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>     A  A 4. mailto:[9]kirby.schrader at gmail.com
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>   1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
>   2. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/
>   3. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
>   4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>   5. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
>   6. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/
>   7. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
>   8. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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