[DeTomaso] Wilwood, Brembo brakes
Michael Shortt
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Tue Mar 10 16:36:20 EDT 2015
I have the Super Stopper II brakes on my car, they will bring you to a stop
brutally fast,
esp with a vac booster in place, and very little if any fade, haven't run
across fade in 10 years.
Michael Shortt
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Mike,
> Further to this, having spoken to Dennis Quella just now, he confirms
> that Wilwood still make the Grand National caliper that I have on 1921
> and they make the smaller 6 piston SuperLite version that I have on
> 1661 which will fit inside a Campagnolo.A
> Yes, the design has changed some, but it's still the smaller piston and
> 6 of them.
> I'll still confirm that an old Campy I have will fit over the older
> version.... Trouble is, I think all I have are 7"....
> :-)
> And I have been running the Wilwoods on 1661 since 1985. They still
> work just peachy, thank you very much.
> :-)
> Later!
> Kirby
> [1]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Kirby Schrader
> <[2]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mike,
> Please read my email again. You edited out where I clearly said:
> **1921, the race car, is actually running the Wilwood 6 piston Grand
> National calipers.
> **These do NOT fit all 15a wheels (Campagnolo, for example), but they
> too will fit the Gottis and Bassetts.
> Sure, the Grand National calipers won't fit Campies. I said that.
> Making the blatant statement that you cannot have 6 piston calipers
> with 15" wheels is just wrong.
> Lots of people do it....
> Now you add caveats after the fact.
> :-)
> Oh, mine are old.
> Oh, I'm not using Campagnolos.
> That's enough to make me go home tonight and take a front wheel off and
> try a Campy on 1661.
> I'll do that when I go out to put my new aluminum hubs and hats on 1921
> with my Wilwood 6 piston Grand National calipers.A
> All with 15" wheels and Avon slicks.
> :-)
> The vintage 1985 'old' 4 piston Wilwoods I have on the rear of 1661
> (and used to have on the front) were ground off on theA
> corners by none other than Quella (probably Kip) to fit the 8 and 10"
> Campies I used to have.
> When I replaced the front 4 piston calieprs with the 6 piston model, it
> was a direct bolt on replacement.
> The newer 4 piston AND the small 6 piston Wilwoods have the corners
> already beveled off and they still fit.
> I will take pictures to prove it, should you so desire.
> I will confirm the model I have when I get home tonight. I'm pretty
> sure that Wilwood still makes them.
> if not, I will stand corrected on that point, but I still stick to the
> statement that you CAN run 15" wheels and 6 piston calipers.
> Sticking to the facts in Magnolia,
> Kirby
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:31 AM, <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/10/15 2 31 4, [4]kirby.schrader at gmail.com
> writes:
> I have to differ with you with regard to 6 piston Wilwood calipers,
> I have been running 6 piston calipers on the front of 1661 for
> years.
> I think I installed them back in 2000 or so. They are SuperLites, I
> think.
> With 15a wheels.
> Yes, I have 18a wheels now for the street, but 15a Gottis or
> Bassetts fit just fine.
> >>>Ah, but you're not fully disclosing here.A You don't have
> standard 15-inch Campagnolo wheels on your car.A It's flared and
> wears GT5-sized wheels.A Have you ever tried fitting a stock wheel
> (either 7 or 8 inch) on the front of your car?A I suspect it
> wouldn't fit.A If it did, it would only fit because your calipers
> are old.
> It certainly wouldn't fit with the type of Wilwood calipers they
> sell now.A The old-school Wilwood castings were nice and rounded,
> and provided plenty of clearance for smaller wheels.A The new ones
> are much more box-shaped, unfortunately.A In fact, I have had
> four-piston Wilwood Superlites on my car since the early 1990s.A
> When I attempted to fit new four-piston Wilwood Superlites in the
> front, they wouldn't fit initially due to the changed architecture
> of the calipers, and new brackets let them fit, but just barely.A
> And none of the currently-produced six-piston calipers would even
> come close to fitting....
> Mike
>
> References
>
> 1. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/
> 2. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
> 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 4. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
>
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I have the Super Stopper II brakes on my car, they will bring you to a
stop brutally fast,
esp with a vac booster in place, and very little if any fade, haven't
run across fade in 10 years.
Michael Shortt
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Kirby Schrader
<[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
A A Mike,
A A Further to this, having spoken to Dennis Quella just now, he
confirms
A A that Wilwood still make the Grand National caliper that I have
on 1921
A A and they make the smaller 6 piston SuperLite version that I
have on
A A 1661 which will fit inside a Campagnolo.A
A A Yes, the design has changed some, but it's still the smaller
piston and
A A 6 of them.
A A I'll still confirm that an old Campy I have will fit over the
older
A A version.... Trouble is, I think all I have are 7"....
A A :-)
A A And I have been running the Wilwoods on 1661 since 1985. They
still
A A work just peachy, thank you very much.
A A :-)
A A Later!
A A Kirby
A A [1][2]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/
A A On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Kirby Schrader
A A <[2][3]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
A A Mike,
A A Please read my email again. You edited out where I clearly said:
A A **1921, the race car, is actually running the Wilwood 6 piston
Grand
A A National calipers.
A A **These do NOT fit all 15a wheels (Campagnolo, for example), but
they
A A too will fit the Gottis and Bassetts.
A A Sure, the Grand National calipers won't fit Campies. I said that.
A A Making the blatant statement that you cannot have 6 piston
calipers
A A with 15" wheels is just wrong.
A A Lots of people do it....
A A Now you add caveats after the fact.
A A :-)
A A Oh, mine are old.
A A Oh, I'm not using Campagnolos.
A A That's enough to make me go home tonight and take a front wheel
off and
A A try a Campy on 1661.
A A I'll do that when I go out to put my new aluminum hubs and hats on
1921
A A with my Wilwood 6 piston Grand National calipers.A
A A All with 15" wheels and Avon slicks.
A A :-)
A A The vintage 1985 'old' 4 piston Wilwoods I have on the rear of
1661
A A (and used to have on the front) were ground off on theA
A A corners by none other than Quella (probably Kip) to fit the 8 and
10"
A A Campies I used to have.
A A When I replaced the front 4 piston calieprs with the 6 piston
model, it
A A was a direct bolt on replacement.
A A The newer 4 piston AND the small 6 piston Wilwoods have the
corners
A A already beveled off and they still fit.
A A I will take pictures to prove it, should you so desire.
A A I will confirm the model I have when I get home tonight. I'm
pretty
A A sure that Wilwood still makes them.
A A if not, I will stand corrected on that point, but I still stick to
the
A A statement that you CAN run 15" wheels and 6 piston calipers.
A A Sticking to the facts in Magnolia,
A A Kirby
A A On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:31 AM, <[3][4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
wrote:
A A A In a message dated 3/10/15 2 31 4,
[4][5]kirby.schrader at gmail.com
A A A writes:
A A A I have to differ with you with regard to 6 piston Wilwood
calipers,
A A A I have been running 6 piston calipers on the front of 1661 for
A A A years.
A A A I think I installed them back in 2000 or so. They are
SuperLites, I
A A A think.
A A A With 15a wheels.
A A A Yes, I have 18a wheels now for the street, but 15a Gottis or
A A A Bassetts fit just fine.
A A A >>>Ah, but you're not fully disclosing here.AA You don't have
A A A standard 15-inch Campagnolo wheels on your car.AA It's flared
and
A A A wears GT5-sized wheels.AA Have you ever tried fitting a stock
wheel
A A A (either 7 or 8 inch) on the front of your car?AA I suspect it
A A A wouldn't fit.AA If it did, it would only fit because your
calipers
A A A are old.
A A A It certainly wouldn't fit with the type of Wilwood calipers
they
A A A sell now.AA The old-school Wilwood castings were nice and
rounded,
A A A and provided plenty of clearance for smaller wheels.AA The new
ones
A A A are much more box-shaped, unfortunately.AA In fact, I have had
A A A four-piston Wilwood Superlites on my car since the early
1990s.A
A A A When I attempted to fit new four-piston Wilwood Superlites in
the
A A A front, they wouldn't fit initially due to the changed
architecture
A A A of the calipers, and new brackets let them fit, but just
barely.A
A A A And none of the currently-produced six-piston calipers would
even
A A A come close to fitting....
A A A Mike
References
A A 1. [6]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/
A A 2. mailto:[7]kirby.schrader at gmail.com
A A 3. mailto:[8]MikeLDrew at aol.com
A A 4. mailto:[9]kirby.schrader at gmail.com
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4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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