[DeTomaso] Wilwood, Brembo brakes

Michael Shortt michaelsavga at gmail.com
Tue Mar 10 16:36:20 EDT 2015


I have the Super Stopper II brakes on my car, they will bring you to a stop
brutally fast,
esp with a vac booster in place, and very little if any fade, haven't run
across fade in 10 years.

Michael Shortt

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
wrote:

>    Mike,
>    Further to this, having spoken to Dennis Quella just now, he confirms
>    that Wilwood still make the Grand National caliper that I have on 1921
>    and they make the smaller 6 piston SuperLite version that I have on
>    1661 which will fit inside a Campagnolo.A
>    Yes, the design has changed some, but it's still the smaller piston and
>    6 of them.
>    I'll still confirm that an old Campy I have will fit over the older
>    version.... Trouble is, I think all I have are 7"....
>    :-)
>    And I have been running the Wilwoods on 1661 since 1985. They still
>    work just peachy, thank you very much.
>    :-)
>    Later!
>    Kirby
>    [1]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/
>
>    On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Kirby Schrader
>    <[2]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>    Mike,
>    Please read my email again. You edited out where I clearly said:
>    **1921, the race car, is actually running the Wilwood 6 piston Grand
>    National calipers.
>    **These do NOT fit all 15a wheels (Campagnolo, for example), but they
>    too will fit the Gottis and Bassetts.
>    Sure, the Grand National calipers won't fit Campies. I said that.
>    Making the blatant statement that you cannot have 6 piston calipers
>    with 15" wheels is just wrong.
>    Lots of people do it....
>    Now you add caveats after the fact.
>    :-)
>    Oh, mine are old.
>    Oh, I'm not using Campagnolos.
>    That's enough to make me go home tonight and take a front wheel off and
>    try a Campy on 1661.
>    I'll do that when I go out to put my new aluminum hubs and hats on 1921
>    with my Wilwood 6 piston Grand National calipers.A
>    All with 15" wheels and Avon slicks.
>    :-)
>    The vintage 1985 'old' 4 piston Wilwoods I have on the rear of 1661
>    (and used to have on the front) were ground off on theA
>    corners by none other than Quella (probably Kip) to fit the 8 and 10"
>    Campies I used to have.
>    When I replaced the front 4 piston calieprs with the 6 piston model, it
>    was a direct bolt on replacement.
>    The newer 4 piston AND the small 6 piston Wilwoods have the corners
>    already beveled off and they still fit.
>    I will take pictures to prove it, should you so desire.
>    I will confirm the model I have when I get home tonight. I'm pretty
>    sure that Wilwood still makes them.
>    if not, I will stand corrected on that point, but I still stick to the
>    statement that you CAN run 15" wheels and 6 piston calipers.
>    Sticking to the facts in Magnolia,
>    Kirby
>    On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:31 AM, <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
>      In a message dated 3/10/15 2 31 4, [4]kirby.schrader at gmail.com
>      writes:
>      I have to differ with you with regard to 6 piston Wilwood calipers,
>      I have been running 6 piston calipers on the front of 1661 for
>      years.
>      I think I installed them back in 2000 or so. They are SuperLites, I
>      think.
>      With 15a wheels.
>      Yes, I have 18a wheels now for the street, but 15a Gottis or
>      Bassetts fit just fine.
>      >>>Ah, but you're not fully disclosing here.A  You don't have
>      standard 15-inch Campagnolo wheels on your car.A  It's flared and
>      wears GT5-sized wheels.A  Have you ever tried fitting a stock wheel
>      (either 7 or 8 inch) on the front of your car?A  I suspect it
>      wouldn't fit.A  If it did, it would only fit because your calipers
>      are old.
>      It certainly wouldn't fit with the type of Wilwood calipers they
>      sell now.A  The old-school Wilwood castings were nice and rounded,
>      and provided plenty of clearance for smaller wheels.A  The new ones
>      are much more box-shaped, unfortunately.A  In fact, I have had
>      four-piston Wilwood Superlites on my car since the early 1990s.A
>      When I attempted to fit new four-piston Wilwood Superlites in the
>      front, they wouldn't fit initially due to the changed architecture
>      of the calipers, and new brackets let them fit, but just barely.A
>      And none of the currently-produced six-piston calipers would even
>      come close to fitting....
>      Mike
>
> References
>
>    1. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/
>    2. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
>    3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>    4. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
>
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   I have the Super Stopper II brakes on my car, they will bring you to a
   stop brutally fast,
   esp with a vac booster in place, and very little if any fade, haven't
   run across fade in 10 years.
   Michael Shortt

   On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Kirby Schrader
   <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:

     A  A Mike,
     A  A Further to this, having spoken to Dennis Quella just now, he
     confirms
     A  A that Wilwood still make the Grand National caliper that I have
     on 1921
     A  A and they make the smaller 6 piston SuperLite version that I
     have on
     A  A 1661 which will fit inside a Campagnolo.A
     A  A Yes, the design has changed some, but it's still the smaller
     piston and
     A  A 6 of them.
     A  A I'll still confirm that an old Campy I have will fit over the
     older
     A  A version.... Trouble is, I think all I have are 7"....
     A  A :-)
     A  A And I have been running the Wilwoods on 1661 since 1985. They
     still
     A  A work just peachy, thank you very much.
     A  A :-)
     A  A Later!
     A  A Kirby
     A  A [1][2]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/

   A  A On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Kirby Schrader
   A  A <[2][3]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
   A  A Mike,
   A  A Please read my email again. You edited out where I clearly said:
   A  A **1921, the race car, is actually running the Wilwood 6 piston
   Grand
   A  A National calipers.
   A  A **These do NOT fit all 15a wheels (Campagnolo, for example), but
   they
   A  A too will fit the Gottis and Bassetts.
   A  A Sure, the Grand National calipers won't fit Campies. I said that.
   A  A Making the blatant statement that you cannot have 6 piston
   calipers
   A  A with 15" wheels is just wrong.
   A  A Lots of people do it....
   A  A Now you add caveats after the fact.
   A  A :-)
   A  A Oh, mine are old.
   A  A Oh, I'm not using Campagnolos.
   A  A That's enough to make me go home tonight and take a front wheel
   off and
   A  A try a Campy on 1661.
   A  A I'll do that when I go out to put my new aluminum hubs and hats on
   1921
   A  A with my Wilwood 6 piston Grand National calipers.A
   A  A All with 15" wheels and Avon slicks.
   A  A :-)
   A  A The vintage 1985 'old' 4 piston Wilwoods I have on the rear of
   1661
   A  A (and used to have on the front) were ground off on theA
   A  A corners by none other than Quella (probably Kip) to fit the 8 and
   10"
   A  A Campies I used to have.
   A  A When I replaced the front 4 piston calieprs with the 6 piston
   model, it
   A  A was a direct bolt on replacement.
   A  A The newer 4 piston AND the small 6 piston Wilwoods have the
   corners
   A  A already beveled off and they still fit.
   A  A I will take pictures to prove it, should you so desire.
   A  A I will confirm the model I have when I get home tonight. I'm
   pretty
   A  A sure that Wilwood still makes them.
   A  A if not, I will stand corrected on that point, but I still stick to
   the
   A  A statement that you CAN run 15" wheels and 6 piston calipers.
   A  A Sticking to the facts in Magnolia,
   A  A Kirby

     A  A On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:31 AM, <[3][4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     wrote:
     A  A  A In a message dated 3/10/15 2 31 4,
     [4][5]kirby.schrader at gmail.com

   A  A  A writes:
   A  A  A I have to differ with you with regard to 6 piston Wilwood
   calipers,
   A  A  A I have been running 6 piston calipers on the front of 1661 for
   A  A  A years.
   A  A  A I think I installed them back in 2000 or so. They are
   SuperLites, I
   A  A  A think.
   A  A  A With 15a wheels.
   A  A  A Yes, I have 18a wheels now for the street, but 15a Gottis or
   A  A  A Bassetts fit just fine.
   A  A  A >>>Ah, but you're not fully disclosing here.AA  You don't have
   A  A  A standard 15-inch Campagnolo wheels on your car.AA  It's flared
   and
   A  A  A wears GT5-sized wheels.AA  Have you ever tried fitting a stock
   wheel
   A  A  A (either 7 or 8 inch) on the front of your car?AA  I suspect it
   A  A  A wouldn't fit.AA  If it did, it would only fit because your
   calipers
   A  A  A are old.
   A  A  A It certainly wouldn't fit with the type of Wilwood calipers
   they
   A  A  A sell now.AA  The old-school Wilwood castings were nice and
   rounded,
   A  A  A and provided plenty of clearance for smaller wheels.AA  The new
   ones
   A  A  A are much more box-shaped, unfortunately.AA  In fact, I have had
   A  A  A four-piston Wilwood Superlites on my car since the early
   1990s.A
   A  A  A When I attempted to fit new four-piston Wilwood Superlites in
   the
   A  A  A front, they wouldn't fit initially due to the changed
   architecture
   A  A  A of the calipers, and new brackets let them fit, but just
   barely.A
   A  A  A And none of the currently-produced six-piston calipers would
   even
   A  A  A come close to fitting....
   A  A  A Mike
   References

     A  A 1. [6]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/
     A  A 2. mailto:[7]kirby.schrader at gmail.com
     A  A 3. mailto:[8]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     A  A 4. mailto:[9]kirby.schrader at gmail.com
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References

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   2. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/
   3. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
   4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
   5. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
   6. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/
   7. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
   8. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
   9. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
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