[DeTomaso] Fw: NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
Richard Greenblum
Richard at richardgreenblum.com
Mon Mar 9 15:12:08 EDT 2015
All,
I personally don't think the 'delete' button should have to be used so much.
This is a Pantera forum, not religious, not political. An occasional NPC
comment has probably not been a problem for anyone. At least it hasn't
until now. But this last thread was so bad in so many ways that it is also
the last straw, at least for some. Rather than unsubscribe, I'm going to do
what I hate and send a comment because I need to get how I feel about this
off my chest (I certainly don't think my opinion is any better than anyone
else's).
I've never much cared for Sedon's posts. Not because he thinks it's cute
and rebellious to not capitalize, but because he loves pissing people off.
He almost always comes across to me as someone who thinks he's smarter than
everyone else, and that only those who think like he does should be taken
seriously. It's been my experience that those who are truly smart,
regardless of the side they take, don't resort to verifiably inaccurate
statements to make their point‹they know they don't need to do that.
We all have our definitions of "love of country" from those who think you
show it by rebelling, paying taxes, being a good neighbor, or joining a
branch of the military. Sedon's comment that people only join the service
because they can't find any other way to make a living is inaccurate and
absurd. He may not agree that anyone whose not desperate can still join up
if they want to, but what he said was ridiculous, and I'm guessing he knows
that. Along with other responses, I offer that I didn't want for anything
growing up, my parents did well. I earned a bachelor of science and law
degrees. I don't have financial problems. And while I'm socially pretty
liberal, I believe in a strong defense and wanted to do more than pay my
taxes. In September of this year after 24 years of service, I will add
(Retired) to end of my part-time title, Lt Col Richard "Speedy" Greenblum,
US Air Force Reserve. I don't have a single ill feeling about anyone who
doesn't serve. In fact, DoD doesn't have room but for a few, and serving
isn't for everyone. For some it's the only way to make it. For others it's
a calling.
Finally, I hate that Sedon had to throw a comment about being Jewish into
his post because I'm Jewish and prefer to have as little as possible
associated with him. The most important thing is being American, and being
able to show my "love of country" the way I choose.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 1:20 PM
To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>, doug
sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
Ken,
I agree with you completely. Our freedom is a gift, defended by the men
and women of our military branches. Many members of this list are
current or recently retired military......to include our beloved Mike
Drew and Asa Jay. Both are brilliant individuals who were presented a
multitude of life options, but utilized the excellent training and
educational opportunities of our great nation's military branches to
prepare for their career path while defending our nation.
In addition, my son is currently attending the Air Force Academy in
Colorado Springs. He was recruited by a few Division 1 Universities for
scholarships, but chose the Air Force Academy as he wants to be a
commercial pilot after serving our nation, and liked the idea of
serving our country while simultaneously obtaining his degree. So the
premise that Doug S. puts forward that, "EVERYONE joins the military
because it is their only option outside of unemployment, welfare,
working at walmart or a fastfood joint." is pure and simple ignorance.
It is sad to hear that there are individuals in our country who do not
provide the due respect to members of our armed services. Whatever the
reason they decide to join, whether it be the lack of opportunities in
their community, a wealth of educational options, etc., there is still
the underlying pride in country aspect that should not be ignored.
Respectfully,
Perry Lindsey
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To: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>; doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
Boyd,
YOU ARE WRONG, people with Doug's mentality are the greatest
threat
to our freedom. When a majority of Americans no longer believe that
our freedom is a precious gift worth fighting for, to hand down to
our
children, it's over.
I apologize to everyone else on the list for posting this.
Ken
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To: doug sedon <[2]sedond at yahoo.com>
Cc: "[3]detomaso at poca.com" <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
Doug ,
I beg to differ. Immediately following 9/11 there was a surge of
enlistments in all branches of the military. The economy was strong
and
I'm sure many of these people could have found other lines of work
that
didn't put them in harms way.
As an aside 20 years is a microcosmA A in history. I was referring
to
the bigger picture when people joined up to save the world and the
US
from the greatest threat to our freedom we have known to date.
Those
who forget history are doomed to relive it.
Boyd
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:02 PM, doug sedon
<[1][1][5]sedond at yahoo.com>
wrote:
boyd, it is like this.A for the past 20 years (maybe longer?)A
almost
NO ONE joins the military for "love of country".A almost EVERYONE
joins the military because it is their only option outside of
unemployment, welfare, working at walmart or a fastfood joint.A if
there were other viable options for them, they would NOT join the
military.A PERIOD. A it's pretty simple to grasp, really.
doug s.,
#2602
__________________________________________________________________
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Cc: doug sedon <[4][4][8]sedond at yahoo.com>;
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Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
Since nothing new appears to have been added to any of these posts
I
don't see the need to respond.A
Although have repeated the same copy numerous times with no change
to
A the copy there doesn't seem to be any need A add any comment.A I
have yet to grasp A the concept of love of America and joining the
military could help one improve ones owns personal wealth.. To the
best
of my recollection it was never the enlisted men who benefited or
got
wealthy by supporting our country (or any other countries A quest
for
military conquest to A help them int heir A Most wound up being
sent
home in either a coffin or A or with some medals but none with
power
or
wealth.
A So as far as I am concerned this subject is closed. (Unless you
complete a higher degree of education.
Sincerely,
Hugh Boyd Casey
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All,
I personally don't think the 'delete' button should have to be used so
much. This is a Pantera forum, not religious, not political. An
occasional NPC comment has probably not been a problem for anyone. At
least it hasn't until now. But this last thread was so bad in so many
ways that it is also the last straw, at least for some. Rather than
unsubscribe, I'm going to do what I hate and send a comment because I
need to get how I feel about this off my chest (I certainly don't think
my opinion is any better than anyone else's).
I've never much cared for Sedon's posts. Not because he thinks it's
cute and rebellious to not capitalize, but because he loves pissing
people off. He almost always comes across to me as someone who thinks
he's smarter than everyone else, and that only those who think like he
does should be taken seriously. It's been my experience that those who
are truly smart, regardless of the side they take, don't resort to
verifiably inaccurate statements to make their point--they know they
don't need to do that.
We all have our definitions of "love of country" from those who think
you show it by rebelling, paying taxes, being a good neighbor, or
joining a branch of the military. Sedon's comment that people only
join the service because they can't find any other way to make a living
is inaccurate and absurd. He may not agree that anyone whose not
desperate can still join up if they want to, but what he said was
ridiculous, and I'm guessing he knows that. Along with other
responses, I offer that I didn't want for anything growing up, my
parents did well. I earned a bachelor of science and law degrees. I
don't have financial problems. And while I'm socially pretty liberal,
I believe in a strong defense and wanted to do more than pay my taxes.
In September of this year after 24 years of service, I will add
(Retired) to end of my part-time title, Lt Col Richard "Speedy"
Greenblum, US Air Force Reserve. I don't have a single ill feeling
about anyone who doesn't serve. In fact, DoD doesn't have room but for
a few, and serving isn't for everyone. For some it's the only way to
make it. For others it's a calling.
Finally, I hate that Sedon had to throw a comment about being Jewish
into his post because I'm Jewish and prefer to have as little as
possible associated with him. The most important thing is being
American, and being able to show my "love of country" the way I choose.
Richard
Austin, TX
#7080
From: deTomaso List <[1]detomaso at poca.com>
Reply-To: Perry Lindsey <[2]nckzck at yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 1:20 PM
To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green at yahoo.com>, Boyd Casey
<[4]boyd411 at gmail.com>, doug sedon <[5]sedond at yahoo.com>
Cc: deTomaso List <[6]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
Ken,
I agree with you completely. Our freedom is a gift, defended by the
men
and women of our military branches. Many members of this list are
current or recently retired military......to include our beloved
Mike
Drew and Asa Jay. Both are brilliant individuals who were presented
a
multitude of life options, but utilized the excellent training and
educational opportunities of our great nation's military branches to
prepare for their career path while defending our nation.
In addition, my son is currently attending the Air Force Academy in
Colorado Springs. He was recruited by a few Division 1 Universities
for
scholarships, but chose the Air Force Academy as he wants to be a
commercial pilot after serving our nation, and liked the idea of
serving our country while simultaneously obtaining his degree. So
the
premise that Doug S. puts forward that, "EVERYONE joins the military
because it is their only option outside of unemployment, welfare,
working at walmart or a fastfood joint." is pure and simple
ignorance.
It is sad to hear that there are individuals in our country who do
not
provide the due respect to members of our armed services. Whatever
the
reason they decide to join, whether it be the lack of opportunities
in
their community, a wealth of educational options, etc., there is
still
the underlying pride in country aspect that should not be ignored.
Respectfully,
Perry Lindsey
__________________________________________________________________
From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
To: Boyd Casey <[8]boyd411 at gmail.com>; doug sedon
<[9]sedond at yahoo.com>
Cc: "[10]detomaso at poca.com" <[11]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
Boyd,
YOU ARE WRONG, people with Doug's mentality are the greatest
threat
to our freedom. When a majority of Americans no longer believe
that
our freedom is a precious gift worth fighting for, to hand down to
our
children, it's over.
I apologize to everyone else on the list for posting this.
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Boyd Casey <[1][12]boyd411 at gmail.com>
To: doug sedon <[2][13]sedond at yahoo.com>
Cc: "[3][14]detomaso at poca.com" <[4][15]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
Doug ,
I beg to differ. Immediately following 9/11 there was a surge of
enlistments in all branches of the military. The economy was
strong
and
I'm sure many of these people could have found other lines of
work
that
didn't put them in harms way.
As an aside 20 years is a microcosmA A in history. I was
referring
to
the bigger picture when people joined up to save the world and
the
US
from the greatest threat to our freedom we have known to date.
Those
who forget history are doomed to relive it.
Boyd
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:02 PM, doug sedon
<[1][1][5][16]sedond at yahoo.com>
wrote:
boyd, it is like this.A for the past 20 years (maybe longer?)A
almost
NO ONE joins the military for "love of country".A almost
EVERYONE
joins the military because it is their only option outside of
unemployment, welfare, working at walmart or a fastfood
joint.A if
there were other viable options for them, they would NOT join
the
military.A PERIOD. A it's pretty simple to grasp, really.
doug s.,
#2602
__________________________________________________________________
From: Boyd Casey <[2][2][6][17]boyd411 at gmail.com>
To: Rob Dumoulin <[3][3][7][18]rob at dumoulins.net>
Cc: doug sedon <[4][4][8][19]sedond at yahoo.com>;
"[5][5][9][20]detomaso at poca.com"
<[6][6][10][21]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary
Obituary)
Since nothing new appears to have been added to any of these
posts
I
don't see the need to respond.A
Although have repeated the same copy numerous times with no
change
to
A the copy there doesn't seem to be any need A add any
comment.A I
have yet to grasp A the concept of love of America and joining
the
military could help one improve ones owns personal wealth.. To
the
best
of my recollection it was never the enlisted men who benefited
or
got
wealthy by supporting our country (or any other countries A
quest
for
military conquest to A help them int heir A Most wound up being
sent
home in either a coffin or A or with some medals but none with
power
or
wealth.
A So as far as I am concerned this subject is closed. (Unless
you
complete a higher degree of education.
Sincerely,
Hugh Boyd Casey
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