[DeTomaso] 10x15 Campagnolo Pantera GTS wheels
Ed Mendez
edducati at mac.com
Thu Jun 11 02:37:54 EDT 2015
Ok, just talked with him.
He is going to make BOTH the first design and the second design! Long rib and short rib. He is making the molds starting this week. Yes, I can’t believe it myself but this is real and 100% in Magnesium with all the latest modern day materials. He has the schematics from DeTomaso to do this.
Big thanks to Marvic wheels!
I am besides myself.
Final pricing will be when they are closer to production. He did say around 1500 Euros each.
Just a side note, I paid $1500 per wheel for my billet Performance Machine wheels on my Harley so it’s not a bad price to have real Marvic made magnesium wheels. Just my opinion.
Ed
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 21:37, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed that Ed should be commended in taking on such an endeavor,
> hopefully he will get the minimum number of people step up and commit
> so that the manufacture can proceed.
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 00:25:55 -0400
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 10x15 Campagnolo Pantera GTS wheels
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; guson at home.se
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> In a message dated 6/10/15 15 16 58, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
>
> Would you be happy having mismatching wheels?
>
>>>> Well, I'm a bit unusual in that regard in that I took extra lengths
> to make sure I had 1973-74 wheels to match my 10-inch rears. But most
> owners of '71-72 cars don't seem to care that much, and I'd guess that
> more cars have Pre-L front wheels with 10-inch wheels than don't.
>
>> I wouldn't pay $1,700 each for the 10x15, they don't fit a wide
> body rear...... but I would want to know that front and rear are
> going to look aesthetically the same when I'm done if I was getting
> them, that's all.
>
>>>> Which is why you would do what I did, and seek out '73-74 8-inch
> wheels if you didn't already have them. Of course, most people don't
> pick up on the subtle differences and don't care as much, and are quite
> happy with Pre-L wheels on the front.
>
>> Pricing is an interesting discussion; it's a similar situation with
> the GP4 wheels; new wheels cast because of the exorbitant price of
> used ones (driven solely by supply and demand) and yet the new
> castings are more expensive than used?
>
>>>> Well, the cost to buy an existing something has no bearing on the
> cost to produce a new something. However, it only becomes economically
> viable when the cost of the existing something approaches what the new
> something would sell for.
> GT5 wheels have always been expensive. When I was shopping for my
> Pantera in 1989, I toyed with the idea of a GT5, but would have
> insisted on proper wheels for it. When I discovered that (in 1989)
> they were selling for about $1300 each, I quickly dismissed that idea.
> Since then, the cost of those wheels has only gone up. I've had
> several sets pass through my hands as I acted as intermediary between
> seller and buyer. I was amazed when the first set went for $6000, then
> the second one went for $7500, and they have gone up since then.
> So the new-production wheels at 1800 Euros are only slightly more
> expensive (if at all) compared to what would be reasonable (to the
> extent any such purchase can be considered reasonable) to pay for used
> wheels, whose condition will always be somewhat unknown. Marvic is a
> fantastic company and for your money, you're getting a known good (make
> that GREAT) quantity. The fact that the rears are in the more
> desirable 14x15 (we're still talking about GT5, Gr4-spec wheels here)
> is that much better. I've seen a pair of the very rare original 14x15
> wheels sell for $8000, with no fronts included!
> When it comes to the 15x10 wheels for the rear of the narrow-body cars,
> the same story applies. For years they would trade in the $750-1000
> each neighborhood. Only recently have they gone up substantially.
> Last week a friend bought two complete sets of wheels (8s and 10s) with
> tires and paid $8000, and he feels like he got a great deal. I have to
> agree.
> But with 15x8 wheels to match the new 15x10 wheels available for
> $100-200 each all day long, it would be a fool's errand to tool up to
> produce them new.
> I, for one, applaud the efforts of Patrick Hals to put the Gr4/GT5
> wheels back into production, and urge people to support Ed in his most
> noble effort too. I've been doing what I can to help him out (doing
> everything short of committing to buy a pair for myself, since I
> already have two pairs). If you've always wanted a set of these wheels
> and haven't been able to find them, it seems like a no-brainer to step
> up and put yourself on the list now....
> Mike
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Ok, just talked with him.
He is going to make BOTH the first design and the second design! Long
rib and short rib. He is making the molds starting this week. Yes, I
can't believe it myself but this is real and 100% in Magnesium with all
the latest modern day materials. He has the schematics from DeTomaso to
do this.
Big thanks to Marvic wheels!
I am besides myself.
Final pricing will be when they are closer to production. He did say
around 1500 Euros each.
Just a side note, I paid $1500 per wheel for my billet Performance
Machine wheels on my Harley so it's not a bad price to have real Marvic
made magnesium wheels. Just my opinion.
Ed
[cid:A835DEE1-E325-4410-8C82-C85A6CC6060F]
[cid:F285E851-B12A-40AE-9DE8-ADA32B0CA5BA]
On Jun 10, 2015, at 21:37, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Agreed that Ed should be commended in taking on such an endeavor,
hopefully he will get the minimum number of people step up and commit
so that the manufacture can proceed.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: [2]MikeLDrew at aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 00:25:55 -0400
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 10x15 Campagnolo Pantera GTS wheels
To: [3]julian_kift at hotmail.com; [4]guson at home.se
CC: [5]detomaso at poca.com
In a message dated 6/10/15 15 16 58, [6]julian_kift at hotmail.com
writes:
Would you be happy having mismatching wheels?
Well, I'm a bit unusual in that regard in that I took extra lengths
to make sure I had 1973-74 wheels to match my 10-inch rears. But
most
owners of '71-72 cars don't seem to care that much, and I'd guess
that
more cars have Pre-L front wheels with 10-inch wheels than don't.
I wouldn't pay $1,700 each for the 10x15, they don't fit a wide
body rear...... but I would want to know that front and rear are
going to look aesthetically the same when I'm done if I was getting
them, that's all.
Which is why you would do what I did, and seek out '73-74 8-inch
wheels if you didn't already have them. Of course, most people don't
pick up on the subtle differences and don't care as much, and are
quite
happy with Pre-L wheels on the front.
Pricing is an interesting discussion; it's a similar situation with
the GP4 wheels; new wheels cast because of the exorbitant price of
used ones (driven solely by supply and demand) and yet the new
castings are more expensive than used?
Well, the cost to buy an existing something has no bearing on the
cost to produce a new something. However, it only becomes
economically
viable when the cost of the existing something approaches what the
new
something would sell for.
GT5 wheels have always been expensive. When I was shopping for my
Pantera in 1989, I toyed with the idea of a GT5, but would have
insisted on proper wheels for it. When I discovered that (in 1989)
they were selling for about $1300 each, I quickly dismissed that
idea.
Since then, the cost of those wheels has only gone up. I've had
several sets pass through my hands as I acted as intermediary between
seller and buyer. I was amazed when the first set went for $6000,
then
the second one went for $7500, and they have gone up since then.
So the new-production wheels at 1800 Euros are only slightly more
expensive (if at all) compared to what would be reasonable (to the
extent any such purchase can be considered reasonable) to pay for
used
wheels, whose condition will always be somewhat unknown. Marvic is a
fantastic company and for your money, you're getting a known good
(make
that GREAT) quantity. The fact that the rears are in the more
desirable 14x15 (we're still talking about GT5, Gr4-spec wheels here)
is that much better. I've seen a pair of the very rare original
14x15
wheels sell for $8000, with no fronts included!
When it comes to the 15x10 wheels for the rear of the narrow-body
cars,
the same story applies. For years they would trade in the $750-1000
each neighborhood. Only recently have they gone up substantially.
Last week a friend bought two complete sets of wheels (8s and 10s)
with
tires and paid $8000, and he feels like he got a great deal. I have
to
agree.
But with 15x8 wheels to match the new 15x10 wheels available for
$100-200 each all day long, it would be a fool's errand to tool up to
produce them new.
I, for one, applaud the efforts of Patrick Hals to put the Gr4/GT5
wheels back into production, and urge people to support Ed in his
most
noble effort too. I've been doing what I can to help him out (doing
everything short of committing to buy a pair for myself, since I
already have two pairs). If you've always wanted a set of these
wheels
and haven't been able to find them, it seems like a no-brainer to
step
up and put yourself on the list now....
Mike
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