[DeTomaso] GT40/Pantera
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sat Jul 18 19:56:49 EDT 2015
Jack,
The blue Mangusta in the original post was not that of Lilo Zicron, Lilo's is a pure race car with riveted on flares front and rear. That car resides in Europe or at least it did when it was for sale a few years back.
Julian
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 15:23:17 -0400
To: edducati at mac.com; will.kooiman at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT40/Pantera
From: detomaso at poca.com
CC: detomaso at poca.com; mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
That blue Mangusta was a special case. It had been rolled and totalled during a One Lap of America event in N Nevada. After being wrecked, it was stripped of everything that would unbolt by PI Motorsports and sold. The shell kicked around So-Cal for a decade before POCA's Dale Ericksen bought it and dragged the hulk to Mike Cooks shop for repairs. Mike worked on the wreck in his spare time putting Pantera suspension on it & jacking out the roof & body. 10 more years went by before Lilo Zicron made it driveable; it probably has less actual Mangusta parts than Roland Bohnert's turbo-Goose. Congrats to both for pulling absolute junk that no one wanted back from the crusher.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>; Mikael <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT40/Pantera
Here is something, if anyone has a problem with Tony's car, how about
what
someone did to this Mangusta!
They flared the back only and not the front.
It looks bad ass, sort of,
but OMG what did they do to a Goose!!!!????
[cid:9919BFD0-E80B-4B59-84B0-0BEF54D3655F]
On Jul 17, 2015, at 19:15, Will
Kooiman <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
wrote:
I don^1t have any issue
with it being a POCA centerfold.
It isn^1t me, but it is well done. It
makes the owner happy, and most
people that see the car say, ^3Wow!^2
I
saw the car in Houston. I haven^1t seen it yet in Profiles.
On 7/17/15,
9:50 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of fastgrandma via DeTomaso"
<[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of [3]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
Well said, Bill. Not everyone's cup of tea but no reason for the
article
not to be in Profiles. I think we're all happier to see a
Profiles with a
'not our cup of tea' than no Profiles at all.
Driving
and enjoying
our cars are the main thing. After all, we've all seen
cars that could be
said to be ugly just due to the color. :)
A fact is that we recently had
an old member renew his POCA
membership
now that he can expect a
Profiles on a regular basis. Woo-hoo!!!!
Judy
-----Original
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From: Bill Moore <[4]bill at incendium.com>
To: Mikael
<[5]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>; detomaso
<[6]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT40/Pantera
Truth be told , not my cup of tea. Trailer queens are.....
I much
prefer
to drive it drive it drive it. I have over 5000 miles so
far
this calendar
year, and planning on doing the PNW fall cruise.
not
afraid to get rained
on, or snow.
Cheers,
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
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From: Mikael <[1][7]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
Date: 2015-07-17 1:22 PM
(GMT-07:00)
To: [2][8]detomaso at poca.com
Subject:
[DeTomaso]
GT40/Pantera
If you guys haven't received your copy of Profiles
yet, maybe look in
your
dustbin again. The envelope with what
you
thought was a GT40 magazine
sent
to you by mistake was
in fact the
Profiles, with the black Pantera with
GT40
front
and rear etc. that
Profiles had the IMO poor taste to put on the
cover
and rear and
centerfold.
I of course quickly turned to
the build-text, because I wanted
to try
to
understand WHY?
Was there a Pantera with smashed front and
rear and a
GT40
parked on railway tracks so only front and rear was
saved? No, the
author
states "for some crazy reason". Indeed.
I saw
this
car at POCA in Arizona a few years ago, where it was parked
in
the
"look-at-me" spot right in front of the doors, so you had to walk
around
it. After refusing the first couple of times, I did take the time
to
look
it
over. And the craftsmanship was excellent
including mirror like
pint.
Sometimes when you see "menacingly
modified" (quote from Profiles)
cars
like
this, but well
done, you can state "I don't like it, but I'm
impressed
with
the craftsmanship". Well not here, not this one. Even
though the
craftsmanship is good, you do not build your car to look like
another
brand.
As simple as that.
I hope the skillful builder gets
the GT40 he really wants and leaves
our
Panteras alone. And I
hope
Profiles editor has better judgment going
forward. In the same
envelope was
the Membership Renewal Notice. Brave!
Whether I renew
or not depends on the
reaction to this mail. Am I alone
here?
Mikael
If you guys
haven't received your copy of Profiles yet,
maybe look
in
your
dustbin again. The envelope with what
you thought was a GT40
magazine
sent to you by mistake was in
fact the Profiles, with the
black Pantera
with GT40 front and
rear etc. that Profiles had the
IMO
poor taste to
put on
the cover and rear and centerfold.
I of course quickly turned to
the build-text, because I wanted to
try
to understand WHY? Was
there
a Pantera with smashed front and rear
and
a GT40
parked on railway
tracks so only front and rear was saved?
No,
the author states "for
some crazy reason". Indeed.
I saw this
car at POCA in Arizona a few years
ago, where it was
parked
in the "look-at-me" spot right in front of
the doors, so you had to
walk around it. After refusing the first couple
of times, I did take
the time to look it over. And the craftsmanship was
excellent
including
mirror like pint. Sometimes when you see
"menacingly
modified"
(quote
from Profiles) cars like this, but well
done, you can state "I don't
like it, but I'm impressed with the
craftsmanship". Well not here,
not
this one. Even though the
craftsmanship is good, you do not build
your
car to look like
another
brand. As simple as that.
I hope the skillful builder
gets the GT40 he
really wants and leaves
our Panteras alone. And
I hope Profiles editor
has better judgment
going forward. In the
same envelope was the
Membership Renewal
Notice.
Brave!
Whether I renew or not depends on
the reaction to this mail.
Am
I alone here?
Mikael
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Jack,
The blue Mangusta in the original post was not that of Lilo Zicron,
Lilo's is a pure race car with riveted on flares front and rear. That
car resides in Europe or at least it did when it was for sale a few
years back.
Julian
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 15:23:17 -0400
To: edducati at mac.com; will.kooiman at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT40/Pantera
From: detomaso at poca.com
CC: detomaso at poca.com; mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
That blue Mangusta was a special case. It had been rolled and totalled during a
One Lap of America event in N Nevada. After being wrecked, it was stripped of ev
erything that would unbolt by PI Motorsports and sold. The shell kicked around S
o-Cal for a decade before POCA's Dale Ericksen bought it and dragged the hulk to
Mike Cooks shop for repairs. Mike worked on the wreck in his spare time putting
Pantera suspension on it & jacking out the roof & body. 10 more years went by b
efore Lilo Zicron made it driveable; it probably has less actual Mangusta parts
than Roland Bohnert's turbo-Goose. Congrats to both for pulling absolute junk th
at no one wanted back from the crusher.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>; Mikael <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT40/Pantera
Here is something, if anyone has a problem with Tony's car, how about
what
someone did to this Mangusta!
They flared the back only and not the front.
It looks bad ass, sort of,
but OMG what did they do to a Goose!!!!????
[cid:9919BFD0-E80B-4B59-84B0-0BEF54D3655F]
On Jul 17, 2015, at 19:15, Will
Kooiman <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
wrote:
I don^1t have any issue
with it being a POCA centerfold.
It isn^1t me, but it is well done. It
makes the owner happy, and most
people that see the car say, ^3Wow!^2
I
saw the car in Houston. I haven^1t seen it yet in Profiles.
On 7/17/15,
9:50 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of fastgrandma via DeTomaso"
<[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of [3]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
Well said, Bill. Not everyone's cup of tea but no reason for the
article
not to be in Profiles. I think we're all happier to see a
Profiles with a
'not our cup of tea' than no Profiles at all.
Driving
and enjoying
our cars are the main thing. After all, we've all seen
cars that could be
said to be ugly just due to the color. :)
A fact is that we recently had
an old member renew his POCA
membership
now that he can expect a
Profiles on a regular basis. Woo-hoo!!!!
Judy
-----Original
Message-----
From: Bill Moore <[4]bill at incendium.com>
To: Mikael
<[5]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>; detomaso
<[6]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT40/Pantera
Truth be told , not my cup of tea. Trailer queens are.....
I much
prefer
to drive it drive it drive it. I have over 5000 miles so
far
this calendar
year, and planning on doing the PNW fall cruise.
not
afraid to get rained
on, or snow.
Cheers,
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
-------- Original message --------
From: Mikael <[1][7]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
Date: 2015-07-17 1:22 PM
(GMT-07:00)
To: [2][8]detomaso at poca.com
Subject:
[DeTomaso]
GT40/Pantera
If you guys haven't received your copy of Profiles
yet, maybe look in
your
dustbin again. The envelope with what
you
thought was a GT40 magazine
sent
to you by mistake was
in fact the
Profiles, with the black Pantera with
GT40
front
and rear etc. that
Profiles had the IMO poor taste to put on the
cover
and rear and
centerfold.
I of course quickly turned to
the build-text, because I wanted
to try
to
understand WHY?
Was there a Pantera with smashed front and
rear and a
GT40
parked on railway tracks so only front and rear was
saved? No, the
author
states "for some crazy reason". Indeed.
I saw
this
car at POCA in Arizona a few years ago, where it was parked
in
the
"look-at-me" spot right in front of the doors, so you had to walk
around
it. After refusing the first couple of times, I did take the time
to
look
it
over. And the craftsmanship was excellent
including mirror like
pint.
Sometimes when you see "menacingly
modified" (quote from Profiles)
cars
like
this, but well
done, you can state "I don't like it, but I'm
impressed
with
the craftsmanship". Well not here, not this one. Even
though the
craftsmanship is good, you do not build your car to look like
another
brand.
As simple as that.
I hope the skillful builder gets
the GT40 he really wants and leaves
our
Panteras alone. And I
hope
Profiles editor has better judgment going
forward. In the same
envelope was
the Membership Renewal Notice. Brave!
Whether I renew
or not depends on the
reaction to this mail. Am I alone
here?
Mikael
If you guys
haven't received your copy of Profiles yet,
maybe look
in
your
dustbin again. The envelope with what
you thought was a GT40
magazine
sent to you by mistake was in
fact the Profiles, with the
black Pantera
with GT40 front and
rear etc. that Profiles had the
IMO
poor taste to
put on
the cover and rear and centerfold.
I of course quickly turned to
the build-text, because I wanted to
try
to understand WHY? Was
there
a Pantera with smashed front and rear
and
a GT40
parked on railway
tracks so only front and rear was saved?
No,
the author states "for
some crazy reason". Indeed.
I saw this
car at POCA in Arizona a few years
ago, where it was
parked
in the "look-at-me" spot right in front of
the doors, so you had to
walk around it. After refusing the first couple
of times, I did take
the time to look it over. And the craftsmanship was
excellent
including
mirror like pint. Sometimes when you see
"menacingly
modified"
(quote
from Profiles) cars like this, but well
done, you can state "I don't
like it, but I'm impressed with the
craftsmanship". Well not here,
not
this one. Even though the
craftsmanship is good, you do not build
your
car to look like
another
brand. As simple as that.
I hope the skillful builder
gets the GT40 he
really wants and leaves
our Panteras alone. And
I hope Profiles editor
has better judgment
going forward. In the
same envelope was the
Membership Renewal
Notice.
Brave!
Whether I renew or not depends on
the reaction to this mail.
Am
I alone here?
Mikael
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