[DeTomaso] did any of you guys buy the 72 off ebay for $40K?

Wed Jul 15 15:12:43 EDT 2015

No question about location of rust spots in the first shot, what/where is the second shot?

From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
To: johnmckee at cox.net; will.kooiman at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:06:03 +0000
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] did any of you guys buy the 72 off ebay for $40K?
CC: MikeLDrew at aol.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at poca.com

I agree.  They have no idea.  When I noticed some surface rust on the doors I stripped my Pantera down
(except the windshield and tail-lights) and drove it to Coachwork's here in San Diego.  They stripped it down
to the bare metal and here is what we saw.

Hopefully the attachments will come thru.

2 weekends to tear it down.  3 months to put it all back together.  I'm not fast. ;-)

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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of John McKee <johnmckee at cox.net<mailto:johnmckee at cox.net>>
Date: Sunday, July 12, 2015 7:49 PM
To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>>
Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>, "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] did any of you guys buy the 72 off ebay for $40K?

Yes, if you looked closely at some of those rust pictures I think Ken was right. Somebody has their work cut out for them.
It does seem the Pantera is now on the radar of the new wave of car spinners. A quick bondo and paint job and back to eBay for a few thousand more and an unsuspecting buyer gets a bucket of problems.

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On Jul 12, 2015 7:21 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>> wrote:

It¹s a stretch to say anyone ³stole" that car at $40K.  There are multiple
small rust issues, and it looks mostly neglected, so all of the usual
stuff is going to be bad - wheel bearings, steering rack, window gears,
fuse box, ball joints, brakes, clutch slave, and so on.  It reminds me of
everything I¹ve corrected with my car.

Michael - I don¹t mean to call you out, but when someone says they stole a
car, it suggests they got it for way below the value.  That is not a $60K
car, and $80-100K for that car would be stupid money.

This one has a buy-it-now of $45,900, and it¹s in much better shape.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/De-Tomaso-Other-Pantera-/252008097179?forcerrptr=tr
ue&hash=item3aacda659b&item=252008097179

So, I would say that $40K is about right in today¹s market.

Like everyone else, I¹ve noticed prices rising, though.  I wouldn¹t call
it skyrocketing.  I would call it an upward trend, with an occasional bump
when the Pantera is in the press (Leno, Ring Brothers, My Ride Rules).

On 7/12/15, 9:58 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jim Gray"
<detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of grayjim at cox.net<mailto:grayjim at cox.net>> wrote:

>Great suggestion Michael. I increased mine back at January 1 but now
>realize
>it wasn't nearly enough.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Shortt
>Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 8:28 PM
>To: Mike Drew
>Cc: detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com> ; Ken Green
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] did any of you guys buy the 72 off ebay for $40K?
>
>3 or 4 years ago, it would have been 30-35, @ 40k, they stole it. Average
>cars are now 50 - 60.
>80 - 100 K is not unusal at all.
>
>Raise your insurance coverage limits,
>
>Michael Shortt
>On Jul 12, 2015 9:05 PM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Welcome to 2015! Where have you been lately?  Pantera prices have been
>> skyrocketing for the past couple of years. The less modifications from
>> stock, the greater the increase.
>>
>> I can't explain it, I'm just seeing it. Put wings, flares and wheels,
>>and
>> chrome on a car and it goes up moderately. Make it look like it did
>>when
>> it
>> was new (or at least when it was young) and it goes up dramatically.
>>
>> A friend overseas was trying to buy this car but it was sold before he
>> could conclude the deal. He bought a similar car for more money from
>> somebody else a day or so later.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2015, at 17:53, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >    Just wondering, have Panteras gone up this much?
>> >   [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/391190887224
>> >   I'm guessing this could have been below $20K 3 or 4 years ago?
>> >
>> > References
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>> >   1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/391190887224
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   No question about location of rust spots in the first shot, what/where
   is the second shot?

   From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
   To: johnmckee at cox.net; will.kooiman at gmail.com
   Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:06:03 +0000
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] did any of you guys buy the 72 off ebay for
   $40K?
   CC: MikeLDrew at aol.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at poca.com
I agree.  They have no idea.  When I noticed some surface rust on the doors I st
ripped my Pantera down
(except the windshield and tail-lights) and drove it to Coachwork's here in San
Diego.  They stripped it down
to the bare metal and here is what we saw.

Hopefully the attachments will come thru.

2 weekends to tear it down.  3 months to put it all back together.  I'm not fast
. ;-)

"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
  to contact us!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
Fax:     (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
 Regional indicator for USA

From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on
behalf of John McKee <johnmckee at cox.net<mailto:johnmckee at cox.net>>
Date: Sunday, July 12, 2015 7:49 PM
To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>>
Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>>, Mike Drew <Mi
keLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>, "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at p
oca.com>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] did any of you guys buy the 72 off ebay for $40K?

Yes, if you looked closely at some of those rust pictures I think Ken was right.
 Somebody has their work cut out for them.
It does seem the Pantera is now on the radar of the new wave of car spinners. A
quick bondo and paint job and back to eBay for a few thousand more and an unsusp
ecting buyer gets a bucket of problems.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Jul 12, 2015 7:21 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooima
n at gmail.com>> wrote:

ItA^1s a stretch to say anyone A^3stole" that car at $40K.  There are multiple
small rust issues, and it looks mostly neglected, so all of the usual
stuff is going to be bad - wheel bearings, steering rack, window gears,
fuse box, ball joints, brakes, clutch slave, and so on.  It reminds me of
everything IA^1ve corrected with my car.

Michael - I donA^1t mean to call you out, but when someone says they stole a
car, it suggests they got it for way below the value.  That is not a $60K
car, and $80-100K for that car would be stupid money.

This one has a buy-it-now of $45,900, and itA^1s in much better shape.

[1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/De-Tomaso-Other-Pantera-/252008097179?forcerrptr=tr
ue&hash=item3aacda659b&item=252008097179

So, I would say that $40K is about right in todayA^1s market.

Like everyone else, IA^1ve noticed prices rising, though.  I wouldnA^1t call
it skyrocketing.  I would call it an upward trend, with an occasional bump
when the Pantera is in the press (Leno, Ring Brothers, My Ride Rules).

On 7/12/15, 9:58 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jim Gray"
<detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of grayji
m at cox.net<mailto:grayjim at cox.net>> wrote:

>Great suggestion Michael. I increased mine back at January 1 but now
>realize
>it wasn't nearly enough.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Shortt
>Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 8:28 PM
>To: Mike Drew
>Cc: detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com> ; Ken Green
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] did any of you guys buy the 72 off ebay for $40K?
>
>3 or 4 years ago, it would have been 30-35, @ 40k, they stole it. Average
>cars are now 50 - 60.
>80 - 100 K is not unusal at all.
>
>Raise your insurance coverage limits,
>
>Michael Shortt
>On Jul 12, 2015 9:05 PM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:det
omaso at poca.com>>
>wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Welcome to 2015! Where have you been lately?  Pantera prices have been
>> skyrocketing for the past couple of years. The less modifications from
>> stock, the greater the increase.
>>
>> I can't explain it, I'm just seeing it. Put wings, flares and wheels,
>>and
>> chrome on a car and it goes up moderately. Make it look like it did
>>when
>> it
>> was new (or at least when it was young) and it goes up dramatically.
>>
>> A friend overseas was trying to buy this car but it was sold before he
>> could conclude the deal. He bought a similar car for more money from
>> somebody else a day or so later.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2015, at 17:53, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:d
etomaso at poca.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >    Just wondering, have Panteras gone up this much?
>> >   [1][2]http://www.ebay.com/itm/391190887224
>> >   I'm guessing this could have been below $20K 3 or 4 years ago?
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> >   1. [3]http://www.ebay.com/itm/391190887224
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