[DeTomaso] Original Campy color
Michael Shortt
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Sat Jul 11 13:32:05 EDT 2015
Oh sure. ...let Garth just guess at it. :-)
That was some action packed email.
Michael
On Jul 11, 2015 12:51 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
> Hi Asa Jay,
> Ford TSB, Bulletin #11, Article 92.
> Service Paint - Magnesium Wheels Color: Argent Silver
> Ditzler Part No.: DX8555
> HOWEVER, when I first restored my wheels, I couldn't find that paint
> from any local supplier - it's an obsolete number with no current cross
> reference. However, I've subsequently been told that the old Ditzler
> color code DX8555 cross references to a new color code: DAR33772 Silver
> Poly.
> Note: The following info is from a Chrysler board as they use the same
> paint code for various parts. The Light Textured Argent, part number
> DX 8555, is obsolete. Medium Textured Argent, part number DNA 8933, can
> sometimes be found at larger, older Ditzler dealers. Last used in the
> mid 1970's, it is now all but obsolete. Older Ditzler dealers that have
> remaining stock can mix this paint for you, but it can also be mixed
> from currently available paints. Here's how...
> LIGHT ARGENT TEXTURED
> Ingredients for 1 pint (double for quart)
> 1/2 ounce DX 204 - Radiance Silver
> 1/2 ounce DDL 8568 - Non Smudge Aluminum/aluminum base
> 3 1/2 ounces DCA 468 High Performance Clear
> Add 4 ounces of top grade lacquer thinner with drying time according to
> temperature. Mix thoroughly and pour in 1 pint touch up gun. Use 10
> clean 1/4" ball bearings in paint cup to keep the paint mixed. Use
> three light coats over an existing finish or four to six coats over
> unfinished parts. This paint runs VERY easily, allow 5-10 minutes
> between coats.
> MEDIUM ARGENT TEXTURED
> The steps are exactly as above, but add black lacquer to darken. Start
> with six drops per pint and stir thoroughly, then spray a sample to
> compare to the original finish. Add a drop at a time until you achieve
> the correct tint. Spray these paints at 55-60 lbs. keeping the gun
> 18-30 inches from the surface. Frequently agitate the mixture to
> maintain uniform consistency because the Radiance Silver is heavy and
> will settle out quickly. Also, Year One sells part #QP323, which is
> Chrysler rally wheel paint, and part #QP8575, which is the textured
> light argent silver paint used on Chrysler grilles and rally wheel
> center caps. Both are sold in quart cans.
> Plastikote Spray Paint
> Paint A fellow club member used Plasti-Kote "1001 Bright Silver Metal"
> in an 11 oz. spray can and reports that it was a good match, and an
> economical option for repainting original Campys! The label on the can
> said "Plasti-Kote Body Shop Paint, for Painting Doors, Fenders, Hoods
> and Other Large Panels on Cars, Trucks & Vans". This paint seems to be
> very forgiving when it comes to runs and sags, and giving a run a
> little more spray seems to make it lay down smooth.
> Technique: You need about 60 inches of 6 inch wide aluminum flashing -
> comes in a roll at your local home improvement store. Unroll the
> flashing and form a ring that just fits outside the wheel rim and
> snugly down onto the tire. The wheel needs to be off the car and laying
> flat on a piece of newspaper or cardboard to keep the floor or driveway
> from turning silver. Clamp the ring with a pair of vice grips to hold
> it to the correct diameter. Don1t worry about the flashing over lapping
> itself that usually helps it hold it's shape. Mask off the valve stem
> and spray away.
> Note that Plasti-Kote also lists an Argent Silver (#621) on their
> website, but I have no idea if it's close to the color we need for
> Campys; it might be worth getting a can to test.
> And here's an article on wheel restoration that everyone should read...
>
> Restoring Magnesium Campagnolo Wheels the Right Way
> http://www.poca.com/detomaso/2000-06/1205.html
> by Mike Drew and Jack DeRyke
> Eastwood Light Argent Silver
> I used Eastwood's Argent Silver then coated with Eastwood semi-gloss
> clear to facilitate easy cleaning. My Campys looked perfect. Others
> have misted with Eastwood's Cad Silver between the Argent Silver and
> the semi-gloss clear for a "perfect" finish, but I found the light
> argent silver straight from the can looked pretty near perfect,
> especially when coated with Eastwood Diamond Clear (satin finish).
> FWIW, I spent about $200 on stripper, Zinc Chromate Primer, Eastwood
> Silver Argent and Diamond Clear paint, and then invested countless
> hours annealling the wheels and doing all the dirty work.
> Powder Coating Wheels at Home
> I was very disappointed with the durability of the Eastwood paint (see
> the 3rd picture in the following link), so I decided to powder coat my
> wheels, at home. Check out this thread for my pictures:
> [1]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/4081069456
> /p/1
> The color I used was Silver Metallic 30% Gloss (T353-GR06) from
> Cardinal Paint and Powder. It's a pretty darn close match to the
> Eastwood Argent Silver (and the original color), but I wouldn't say
> it's a "perfect" match. Although, close enough for me! Eastwood offers
> Argent Silver Powder paint, so theirs might be a perfect match.
> In the "close up beauty shot" at the bottom of the first page of the
> powder coating thread you can see some of the "coated in a plastic
> finish" look around the cast "campagnolo" name that Paul mentioned in
> his post.
> Cheers!
> Garth
> #4033 - the Banzai Runner Pantera
>
> References
>
> 1.
> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/4081069456/p/1
>
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Oh sure. ...let Garth just guess at it.A :-)
That was some action packed email.
Michael
On Jul 11, 2015 12:51 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso"
<[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
A A Hi Asa Jay,
A A Ford TSB, Bulletin #11, Article 92.
A A Service Paint - Magnesium Wheels Color: Argent Silver
A A Ditzler Part No.: DX8555
A A HOWEVER, when I first restored my wheels, I couldn't find that
paint
A A from any local supplier - it's an obsolete number with no
current cross
A A reference.A However, I've subsequently been told that the old
Ditzler
A A color code DX8555 cross references to a new color code:
DAR33772 Silver
A A Poly.
A A Note: The following info is from a Chrysler board as they use
the same
A A paint code for various parts.A The Light Textured Argent, part
number
A A DX 8555, is obsolete. Medium Textured Argent, part number DNA
8933, can
A A sometimes be found at larger, older Ditzler dealers. Last used
in the
A A mid 1970's, it is now all but obsolete. Older Ditzler dealers
that have
A A remaining stock can mix this paint for you, but it can also be
mixed
A A from currently available paints. Here's how...
A A LIGHT ARGENT TEXTURED
A A Ingredients for 1 pint (double for quart)
A A 1/2 ounce DX 204 - Radiance Silver
A A 1/2 ounce DDL 8568 - Non Smudge Aluminum/aluminum base
A A 3 1/2 ounces DCA 468 High Performance Clear
A A Add 4 ounces of top grade lacquer thinner with drying time
according to
A A temperature. Mix thoroughly and pour in 1 pint touch up gun.
Use 10
A A clean 1/4" ball bearings in paint cup to keep the paint mixed.
Use
A A three light coats over an existing finish or four to six coats
over
A A unfinished parts. This paint runs VERY easily, allow 5-10
minutes
A A between coats.
A A MEDIUM ARGENT TEXTURED
A A The steps are exactly as above, but add black lacquer to
darken. Start
A A with six drops per pint and stir thoroughly, then spray a
sample to
A A compare to the original finish. Add a drop at a time until you
achieve
A A the correct tint.A Spray these paints at 55-60 lbs. keeping
the gun
A A 18-30 inches from the surface. Frequently agitate the mixture
to
A A maintain uniform consistency because the Radiance Silver is
heavy and
A A will settle out quickly.A Also, Year One sells part #QP323,
which is
A A Chrysler rally wheel paint, and part #QP8575, which is the
textured
A A light argent silver paint used on Chrysler grilles and rally
wheel
A A center caps. Both are sold in quart cans.
A A Plastikote Spray Paint
A A Paint A fellow club member used Plasti-Kote "1001 Bright Silver
Metal"
A A in an 11 oz. spray can and reports that it was a good match,
and an
A A economical option for repainting original Campys! The label on
the can
A A said "Plasti-Kote Body Shop Paint, for Painting Doors, Fenders,
Hoods
A A and Other Large Panels on Cars, Trucks & Vans". This paint
seems to be
A A very forgiving when it comes to runs and sags, and giving a run
a
A A little more spray seems to make it lay down smooth.
A A Technique: You need about 60 inches of 6 inch wide aluminum
flashing -
A A comes in a roll at your local home improvement store. Unroll
the
A A flashing and form a ring that just fits outside the wheel rim
and
A A snugly down onto the tire. The wheel needs to be off the car
and laying
A A flat on a piece of newspaper or cardboard to keep the floor or
driveway
A A from turning silver. Clamp the ring with a pair of vice grips
to hold
A A it to the correct diameter. Don1t worry about the flashing over
lapping
A A itself that usually helps it hold it's shape. Mask off the
valve stem
A A and spray away.
A A Note that Plasti-Kote also lists an Argent Silver (#621) on
their
A A website, but I have no idea if it's close to the color we need
for
A A Campys; it might be worth getting a can to test.
A A And here's an article on wheel restoration that everyone should
read...
A A Restoring Magnesium Campagnolo Wheels the Right Way
A A [2]http://www.poca.com/detomaso/2000-06/1205.html
A A by Mike Drew and Jack DeRyke
A A Eastwood Light Argent Silver
A A I used Eastwood's Argent Silver then coated with Eastwood
semi-gloss
A A clear to facilitate easy cleaning. My Campys looked perfect.
Others
A A have misted with Eastwood's Cad Silver between the Argent
Silver and
A A the semi-gloss clear for a "perfect" finish, but I found the
light
A A argent silver straight from the can looked pretty near perfect,
A A especially when coated with Eastwood Diamond Clear (satin
finish).
A A FWIW, I spent about $200 on stripper, Zinc Chromate Primer,
Eastwood
A A Silver Argent and Diamond Clear paint, and then invested
countless
A A hours annealling the wheels and doing all the dirty work.
A A Powder Coating Wheels at Home
A A I was very disappointed with the durability of the Eastwood
paint (see
A A the 3rd picture in the following link), so I decided to powder
coat my
A A wheels, at home.A Check out this thread for my pictures:
A
A [1][3]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/40
81069456
A A /p/1
A A The color I used was Silver Metallic 30% Gloss (T353-GR06) from
A A Cardinal Paint and Powder. It's a pretty darn close match to
the
A A Eastwood Argent Silver (and the original color), but I wouldn't
say
A A it's a "perfect" match. Although, close enough for me!A
Eastwood offers
A A Argent Silver Powder paint, so theirs might be a perfect match.
A A In the "close up beauty shot" at the bottom of the first page
of the
A A powder coating thread you can see some of the "coated in a
plastic
A A finish" look around the cast "campagnolo" name that Paul
mentioned in
A A his post.
A A Cheers!
A A Garth
A A #4033 - the Banzai Runner Pantera
References
A A 1.
[4]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/4081069
456/p/1
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