[DeTomaso] Original Campy color

Michael Shortt michaelsavga at gmail.com
Sat Jul 11 13:32:05 EDT 2015


Oh sure. ...let Garth just guess at it.  :-)

That was some action packed email.

Michael
On Jul 11, 2015 12:51 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:

>    Hi Asa Jay,
>    Ford TSB, Bulletin #11, Article 92.
>    Service Paint - Magnesium Wheels Color: Argent Silver
>    Ditzler Part No.: DX8555
>    HOWEVER, when I first restored my wheels, I couldn't find that paint
>    from any local supplier - it's an obsolete number with no current cross
>    reference.  However, I've subsequently been told that the old Ditzler
>    color code DX8555 cross references to a new color code: DAR33772 Silver
>    Poly.
>    Note: The following info is from a Chrysler board as they use the same
>    paint code for various parts.  The Light Textured Argent, part number
>    DX 8555, is obsolete. Medium Textured Argent, part number DNA 8933, can
>    sometimes be found at larger, older Ditzler dealers. Last used in the
>    mid 1970's, it is now all but obsolete. Older Ditzler dealers that have
>    remaining stock can mix this paint for you, but it can also be mixed
>    from currently available paints. Here's how...
>    LIGHT ARGENT TEXTURED
>    Ingredients for 1 pint (double for quart)
>    1/2 ounce DX 204 - Radiance Silver
>    1/2 ounce DDL 8568 - Non Smudge Aluminum/aluminum base
>    3 1/2 ounces DCA 468 High Performance Clear
>    Add 4 ounces of top grade lacquer thinner with drying time according to
>    temperature. Mix thoroughly and pour in 1 pint touch up gun. Use 10
>    clean 1/4" ball bearings in paint cup to keep the paint mixed. Use
>    three light coats over an existing finish or four to six coats over
>    unfinished parts. This paint runs VERY easily, allow 5-10 minutes
>    between coats.
>    MEDIUM ARGENT TEXTURED
>    The steps are exactly as above, but add black lacquer to darken. Start
>    with six drops per pint and stir thoroughly, then spray a sample to
>    compare to the original finish. Add a drop at a time until you achieve
>    the correct tint.  Spray these paints at 55-60 lbs. keeping the gun
>    18-30 inches from the surface. Frequently agitate the mixture to
>    maintain uniform consistency because the Radiance Silver is heavy and
>    will settle out quickly.  Also, Year One sells part #QP323, which is
>    Chrysler rally wheel paint, and part #QP8575, which is the textured
>    light argent silver paint used on Chrysler grilles and rally wheel
>    center caps. Both are sold in quart cans.
>    Plastikote Spray Paint
>    Paint A fellow club member used Plasti-Kote "1001 Bright Silver Metal"
>    in an 11 oz. spray can and reports that it was a good match, and an
>    economical option for repainting original Campys! The label on the can
>    said "Plasti-Kote Body Shop Paint, for Painting Doors, Fenders, Hoods
>    and Other Large Panels on Cars, Trucks & Vans". This paint seems to be
>    very forgiving when it comes to runs and sags, and giving a run a
>    little more spray seems to make it lay down smooth.
>    Technique: You need about 60 inches of 6 inch wide aluminum flashing -
>    comes in a roll at your local home improvement store. Unroll the
>    flashing and form a ring that just fits outside the wheel rim and
>    snugly down onto the tire. The wheel needs to be off the car and laying
>    flat on a piece of newspaper or cardboard to keep the floor or driveway
>    from turning silver. Clamp the ring with a pair of vice grips to hold
>    it to the correct diameter. Don1t worry about the flashing over lapping
>    itself that usually helps it hold it's shape. Mask off the valve stem
>    and spray away.
>    Note that Plasti-Kote also lists an Argent Silver (#621) on their
>    website, but I have no idea if it's close to the color we need for
>    Campys; it might be worth getting a can to test.
>    And here's an article on wheel restoration that everyone should read...
>
>    Restoring Magnesium Campagnolo Wheels the Right Way
>    http://www.poca.com/detomaso/2000-06/1205.html
>    by Mike Drew and Jack DeRyke
>    Eastwood Light Argent Silver
>    I used Eastwood's Argent Silver then coated with Eastwood semi-gloss
>    clear to facilitate easy cleaning. My Campys looked perfect. Others
>    have misted with Eastwood's Cad Silver between the Argent Silver and
>    the semi-gloss clear for a "perfect" finish, but I found the light
>    argent silver straight from the can looked pretty near perfect,
>    especially when coated with Eastwood Diamond Clear (satin finish).
>    FWIW, I spent about $200 on stripper, Zinc Chromate Primer, Eastwood
>    Silver Argent and Diamond Clear paint, and then invested countless
>    hours annealling the wheels and doing all the dirty work.
>    Powder Coating Wheels at Home
>    I was very disappointed with the durability of the Eastwood paint (see
>    the 3rd picture in the following link), so I decided to powder coat my
>    wheels, at home.  Check out this thread for my pictures:
>    [1]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/4081069456
>    /p/1
>    The color I used was Silver Metallic 30% Gloss (T353-GR06) from
>    Cardinal Paint and Powder. It's a pretty darn close match to the
>    Eastwood Argent Silver (and the original color), but I wouldn't say
>    it's a "perfect" match. Although, close enough for me!  Eastwood offers
>    Argent Silver Powder paint, so theirs might be a perfect match.
>    In the "close up beauty shot" at the bottom of the first page of the
>    powder coating thread you can see some of the "coated in a plastic
>    finish" look around the cast "campagnolo" name that Paul mentioned in
>    his post.
>    Cheers!
>    Garth
>    #4033 - the Banzai Runner Pantera
>
> References
>
>    1.
> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/4081069456/p/1
>
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   Oh sure. ...let Garth just guess at it.A  :-)

   That was some action packed email.

   Michael

   On Jul 11, 2015 12:51 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso"
   <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:

     A  A Hi Asa Jay,
     A  A Ford TSB, Bulletin #11, Article 92.
     A  A Service Paint - Magnesium Wheels Color: Argent Silver
     A  A Ditzler Part No.: DX8555
     A  A HOWEVER, when I first restored my wheels, I couldn't find that
     paint
     A  A from any local supplier - it's an obsolete number with no
     current cross
     A  A reference.A  However, I've subsequently been told that the old
     Ditzler
     A  A color code DX8555 cross references to a new color code:
     DAR33772 Silver
     A  A Poly.
     A  A Note: The following info is from a Chrysler board as they use
     the same
     A  A paint code for various parts.A  The Light Textured Argent, part
     number
     A  A DX 8555, is obsolete. Medium Textured Argent, part number DNA
     8933, can
     A  A sometimes be found at larger, older Ditzler dealers. Last used
     in the
     A  A mid 1970's, it is now all but obsolete. Older Ditzler dealers
     that have
     A  A remaining stock can mix this paint for you, but it can also be
     mixed
     A  A from currently available paints. Here's how...
     A  A LIGHT ARGENT TEXTURED
     A  A Ingredients for 1 pint (double for quart)
     A  A 1/2 ounce DX 204 - Radiance Silver
     A  A 1/2 ounce DDL 8568 - Non Smudge Aluminum/aluminum base
     A  A 3 1/2 ounces DCA 468 High Performance Clear
     A  A Add 4 ounces of top grade lacquer thinner with drying time
     according to
     A  A temperature. Mix thoroughly and pour in 1 pint touch up gun.
     Use 10
     A  A clean 1/4" ball bearings in paint cup to keep the paint mixed.
     Use
     A  A three light coats over an existing finish or four to six coats
     over
     A  A unfinished parts. This paint runs VERY easily, allow 5-10
     minutes
     A  A between coats.
     A  A MEDIUM ARGENT TEXTURED
     A  A The steps are exactly as above, but add black lacquer to
     darken. Start
     A  A with six drops per pint and stir thoroughly, then spray a
     sample to
     A  A compare to the original finish. Add a drop at a time until you
     achieve
     A  A the correct tint.A  Spray these paints at 55-60 lbs. keeping
     the gun
     A  A 18-30 inches from the surface. Frequently agitate the mixture
     to
     A  A maintain uniform consistency because the Radiance Silver is
     heavy and
     A  A will settle out quickly.A  Also, Year One sells part #QP323,
     which is
     A  A Chrysler rally wheel paint, and part #QP8575, which is the
     textured
     A  A light argent silver paint used on Chrysler grilles and rally
     wheel
     A  A center caps. Both are sold in quart cans.
     A  A Plastikote Spray Paint
     A  A Paint A fellow club member used Plasti-Kote "1001 Bright Silver
     Metal"
     A  A in an 11 oz. spray can and reports that it was a good match,
     and an
     A  A economical option for repainting original Campys! The label on
     the can
     A  A said "Plasti-Kote Body Shop Paint, for Painting Doors, Fenders,
     Hoods
     A  A and Other Large Panels on Cars, Trucks & Vans". This paint
     seems to be
     A  A very forgiving when it comes to runs and sags, and giving a run
     a
     A  A little more spray seems to make it lay down smooth.
     A  A Technique: You need about 60 inches of 6 inch wide aluminum
     flashing -
     A  A comes in a roll at your local home improvement store. Unroll
     the
     A  A flashing and form a ring that just fits outside the wheel rim
     and
     A  A snugly down onto the tire. The wheel needs to be off the car
     and laying
     A  A flat on a piece of newspaper or cardboard to keep the floor or
     driveway
     A  A from turning silver. Clamp the ring with a pair of vice grips
     to hold
     A  A it to the correct diameter. Don1t worry about the flashing over
     lapping
     A  A itself that usually helps it hold it's shape. Mask off the
     valve stem
     A  A and spray away.
     A  A Note that Plasti-Kote also lists an Argent Silver (#621) on
     their
     A  A website, but I have no idea if it's close to the color we need
     for
     A  A Campys; it might be worth getting a can to test.
     A  A And here's an article on wheel restoration that everyone should
     read...
     A  A Restoring Magnesium Campagnolo Wheels the Right Way
     A  A [2]http://www.poca.com/detomaso/2000-06/1205.html
     A  A by Mike Drew and Jack DeRyke
     A  A Eastwood Light Argent Silver
     A  A I used Eastwood's Argent Silver then coated with Eastwood
     semi-gloss
     A  A clear to facilitate easy cleaning. My Campys looked perfect.
     Others
     A  A have misted with Eastwood's Cad Silver between the Argent
     Silver and
     A  A the semi-gloss clear for a "perfect" finish, but I found the
     light
     A  A argent silver straight from the can looked pretty near perfect,
     A  A especially when coated with Eastwood Diamond Clear (satin
     finish).
     A  A FWIW, I spent about $200 on stripper, Zinc Chromate Primer,
     Eastwood
     A  A Silver Argent and Diamond Clear paint, and then invested
     countless
     A  A hours annealling the wheels and doing all the dirty work.
     A  A Powder Coating Wheels at Home
     A  A I was very disappointed with the durability of the Eastwood
     paint (see
     A  A the 3rd picture in the following link), so I decided to powder
     coat my
     A  A wheels, at home.A  Check out this thread for my pictures:
     A
     A [1][3]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/40
     81069456
     A  A /p/1
     A  A The color I used was Silver Metallic 30% Gloss (T353-GR06) from
     A  A Cardinal Paint and Powder. It's a pretty darn close match to
     the
     A  A Eastwood Argent Silver (and the original color), but I wouldn't
     say
     A  A it's a "perfect" match. Although, close enough for me!A
     Eastwood offers
     A  A Argent Silver Powder paint, so theirs might be a perfect match.
     A  A In the "close up beauty shot" at the bottom of the first page
     of the
     A  A powder coating thread you can see some of the "coated in a
     plastic
     A  A finish" look around the cast "campagnolo" name that Paul
     mentioned in
     A  A his post.
     A  A Cheers!
     A  A Garth
     A  A #4033 - the Banzai Runner Pantera
     References
     A  A 1.
     [4]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/4081069
     456/p/1
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