[DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try Red Tek 12a ?
Boyd Casey
boyd411 at gmail.com
Thu Jul 9 20:09:20 EDT 2015
Read the Ford Manual. The bottom line is the pressure gauge on the ac fill
hoses. You do not want to overfill your system.
Stick with r-12. If you want to update your system you need to change your
dryer and all your hoses. Even though propane is supposed to work if (god
forbid) you used Propane in your car and some event caused a fire you
could be subject to civil and criminal penalties and your insurance might
disallow any claims brought by you or the other driver. This is an example
of "penny wise and pound foolish" Do what you want but why ask for advice
on a subject that is clearly marked as illegal (DOT , EPA) both prohibit
the use of propane in ac systems in the USA. Why risk the value of your
car and the risk of losing a major lawsuit to save a few dollars to use
something that clearly has the potential to be very dangerous.unapproved
refrigerents
<http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/building-science/epa-warns-against-unapproved-refrigerants-air-conditioners>
http://hackaday.com/2010/06/15/recharging-ac-with-propane/
This information was found on the net so take it with a grain of salt. I
just believe it's just a better idea to avoid breaking the law when ever
possible especially when the only motivation is to save a few dollars!
Boyd
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
> Open the windows and go fast.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
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> Date: 2015-06-30 8:56 AM (GMT-07:00)
> To: grayjim at cox.net, julian_kift at hotmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try Red Tek 12a ?
> << Their A/C systems are no different from the US versions, are they?>>
> Yes they are different, they just open the windows...
> Larry (all wet) - Cleveland
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> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> grayjim at cox.net
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 10:13 AM
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try Red Tek 12a ?
> The only reason I ever considered it was when I could not make the
> R134a
> work in my car. R12 was my answer but that stuff is just supposed to be
> very efficient.
> Don't they use it in Canada? Their A/C systems are no different from
> the
> US versions, are they?
> Jim
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
> Mainly because US A/C systems are not designed for highly flammable
> refrigerants, whereas a propoane fuel system is.
> If R12 is available why compromise on safety for a few bucks.
> Julian
> > From: grayjim at cox.net To: andriykoisg at yahoo.ca;
> > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov; cengles at cox.net; sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com Date:
> > Mon, 29 Jun 2015 23:09:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C
> > recharge - anyone try Red Tek 12a ? CC: detomaso at poca.com
> > So tempted to use the stuff her in OK but law says not to be used in
> > motor vehicles. Go figure. It's OK to have a giant propane tank in
> > your car but not to use a highly refined propane in you're A/C.
> Who's
> > getting paid off here?
> > The original R12 works absolutely great in my car. R134a...not so
> > much.
> > Jim "Mr. R12" Gray
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: The Goyaniuks Sent: Sunday, June 28,
> > 2015 8:30 PM To: Himes, Terry (397C) ; Charles Engles ; 'Carguy60'
> Cc:
> > detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone
> > try Red Tek 12a ?
> > I have installed DURACOOL (a R12a type system in Canada) 5 years ago
> > in my wife's car after I replaced the failed airconditioning
> > compressor with a new one. Works great. I intend to install the same
> > in my Pantera. Highly recommended after a proper job is done
> (evacuate
> > the system, check for leaks, fill etc.) BG From: "Himes, Terry
> > (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> To: Charles Engles
> > <cengles at cox.net>; 'Carguy60' <sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com> Cc:
> > "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015
> > 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try Red
> > Tek 12a ?
> > Readily available in Sandy Eggo, (Imported from So. of the Border).
> > Contact Dan Miller (Classic Mustang) and POCA/SDP member for name,
> > number and address of contacts.
> > "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
> > exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
> > to contact us!"
> > Terry W. Himes [cid:4E213040-C2CF-4D73-BFFF-33B922E4588D]
> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> > InSight Sequence Team Lead
> > Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
> > Phone: (818) 393-6261
> > Cell: (818) 653-8213
> > Fax: (818) 393-3147
> > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> > From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Charles
> > Engles <[3]cengles at cox.net> Date: Sunday, June 28, 2015 5:45 PM
> > To: 'Carguy60' <[4]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com> Cc: "[5]detomaso at poca.com"
> > <[6]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge -
> > anyone try Red Tek 12a ?
> > Dear Dennis, So, with #7260 I assume that your AC still
> > uses R12. My #7171 does too. The practical and politically
> > incorrect option that is elegantly simple is to check your local
> > Craigslist for R12 Freon. Old genuine R12 is still out there.
> As
> > the demand for it is quite low, the price of it has returned to
> > earth compared to the early days before and after the R135
> > transition. Just buy some real R12 and use it without any of the
> > worrisome considerations of substitutes. I used pound of freon to
> > top off the Pantera before the run to Houston.
> > Excommunicated by the Vatican, Chuck Engles ----Original
> > Message----- From: DeTomaso [[7]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Carguy60 via DeTomaso Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015
> 7:08
> > PM To: [8]deTomaso at POCA.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C
> recharge
> > - anyone try Red Tek 12a ? Here is the link, seems it should work
> > without much retrofit. I don't know a lot about AC systems. Any
> > thoughts from those that do? Dennis 7260
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Read the Ford Manual. The bottom line is the pressure gauge on the ac
fill hoses. You do not want to overfill your system.
Stick with r-12. If you want to update your system you need to change
your dryer and all your hoses. Even though propane is supposed to work
if (god forbid) you used Propane in your car A and some event caused a
fire you could be subject to civil and criminal penalties and your
insurance might disallow any claims brought by you or the other driver.
This is an example of "penny wise and pound foolish" Do what you want
A but why ask for advice on a subject that is clearly marked as illegal
(DOT , EPA) both prohibit the use of propane A in ac systems in the
USA.A Why risk the value of your car and the risk of A losing a major
lawsuit to save a few dollars to use something that clearly has the
potential to be very dangerous.[1]unapproved refrigerentsA A
A A http://hackaday.com/2010/06/15/recharging-ac-with-propane/
This information was found on the net so take it with a grain of salt.
I just believe it's just a better idea to avoid breaking the law when
ever possible especially when the only motivation is to save a few
dollars!
Boyd
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Bill Moore <[2]bill at incendium.com>
wrote:
A A Open the windows and go fast.
A A Cheers,
A A Bill Moore
A A Incendium Supply
A A Calgary
A A -------- Original message --------
A A From: Larry - Ohio Time <[3]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
A A Date: 2015-06-30 8:56 AM (GMT-07:00)
A A To: [4]grayjim at cox.net, [5]julian_kift at hotmail.com
A A Cc: [6]detomaso at poca.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try Red Tek
12a ?
A A << Their A/C systems are no different from the US versions, are
they?>>
A A Yes they are different, they just open the windows...
A A Larry (all wet) - Cleveland
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[7]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
A A [8]grayjim at cox.net
A A Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 10:13 AM
A A To: [9]julian_kift at hotmail.com
A A Cc: [10]detomaso at poca.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try Red Tek
12a ?
A A The only reason I ever considered it was when I could not make the
A A R134a
A A work in my car. R12 was my answer but that stuff is just supposed
to be
A A very efficient.
A A Don't they use it in Canada? Their A/C systems are no different
from
A A the
A A US versions, are they?
A A Jim
A A On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
A A A Mainly because US A/C systems are not designed for highly
flammable
A A refrigerants, whereas a propoane fuel system is.
A A If R12 is available why compromise on safety for a few bucks.
A A Julian
A A > From: [11]grayjim at cox.net To: [12]andriykoisg at yahoo.ca;
A A > [13]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov; [14]cengles at cox.net;
[15]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com Date:
A A > Mon, 29 Jun 2015 23:09:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock
A/C
A A > recharge - anyone try Red Tek 12a ? CC: [16]detomaso at poca.com
A A > So tempted to use the stuff her in OK but law says not to be
used in
A A > motor vehicles. Go figure. It's OK to have a giant propane tank
in
A A > your car but not to use a highly refined propane in you're A/C.
A A Who's
A A > getting paid off here?
A A > The original R12 works absolutely great in my car. R134a...not
so
A A > much.
A A > Jim "Mr. R12" Gray
A A >
A A > -----Original Message----- From: The Goyaniuks Sent: Sunday,
June 28,
A A > 2015 8:30 PM To: Himes, Terry (397C) ; Charles Engles ;
'Carguy60'
A A Cc:
A A > [17]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge
- anyone
A A > try Red Tek 12a ?
A A > I have installed DURACOOL (a R12a type system in Canada) 5 years
ago
A A > in my wife's car after I replaced the failed airconditioning
A A > compressor with a new one. Works great.A I intend to install
the same
A A > in my Pantera. Highly recommended after a proper job is done
A A (evacuate
A A > the system, check for leaks, fill etc.) BGA A A A From:
"Himes, Terry
A A > (397C)" <[18]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> To: Charles Engles
A A > <[19]cengles at cox.net>; 'Carguy60' <[20]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com> Cc:
A A > "[21]detomaso at poca.com" <[22]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Sunday,
June 28, 2015
A A > 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try
Red
A A > Tek 12a ?
A A >A A Readily available in Sandy Eggo, (Imported from So. of the
Border).
A A > Contact Dan Miller (Classic Mustang) and POCA/SDP member for
name,
A A > numberA A and address of contacts.
A A >A A "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
A A >A A A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
tried
A A >A A A to contact us!"
A A >A A Terry W. HimesA [cid:4E213040-C2CF-4D73-BFFF-33B922E4588D]
A A >A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
A A >A A InSight Sequence Team Lead
A A >A A Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
A A >A A Phone: (818) 393-6261
A A >A A Cell:A A (818) 653-8213
A A >A A Fax:A A (818) 393-3147
A A >A A [1][23]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
A A >A A From: DeTomaso <[2][24]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf
of Charles
A A > Engles <[3][25]cengles at cox.net>A A Date: Sunday, June 28, 2015
5:45 PM
A A > To: 'Carguy60' <[4][26]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com>A A Cc:
"[5][27]detomaso at poca.com"
A A > <[6][28]detomaso at poca.com>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C
recharge -
A A > anyone try Red Tek 12a ?
A A >A A Dear Dennis,A A A A A A So, with #7260 I assume that
your AC still
A A > uses R12.A MyA #7171A A doesA A too.A The practical and
politically
A A > incorrect option that is elegantlyA A simple is to check your
local
A A > Craigslist for R12 Freon.A Old genuineA A R12 isA A still out
there.
A A As
A A > the demand for it is quite low, the price of itA A hasA
A returned to
A A > earth compared to the early days before and after the R135
A A > transition.A Just buy some real R12 and use it without any of
the
A A > worrisomeA A considerations of substitutes.A I used pound of
freon to
A A > top off theA A PanteraA A before the run to Houston.
A A > Excommunicated by the Vatican,A Chuck EnglesA A ----Original
A A > Message-----A A From: DeTomaso
[[7]mailto:[29]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
A A On
A A > Behalf OfA A Carguy60 viaA A DeTomasoA A Sent: Sunday, June
28, 2015
A A 7:08
A A > PMA A To: [8]deTomaso at POCA.comA A Subject: [DeTomaso] Stock
A/C
A A recharge
A A > - anyone try Red Tek 12a ?A A Here is the link, seems it should
work
A A > without much retrofit. I don'tA A know aA A lot about AC
systems. Any
A A > thoughts from those that do?A A DennisA A 7260
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