[DeTomaso] NPC: VMWare
Himes, Terry (397C)
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Fri Aug 21 11:35:28 EDT 2015
Hi Jeff,
Yeah. We have lots of talent and great guys. Personally, I would love to jump in, but my problem is that we are 7 months
from Launch with two years work to do. My average work week is 82 hrs. When we get on the surface I will be on Mars time
and having to turn-around commands in a 8 hr Sol. So I have no bandwidth in the foreseeable future.
Terry
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exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
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From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, August 21, 2015 7:59 AM
To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>>
Cc: Terry Himes <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>, POCA <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: VMWare
Another new POCA website which has been under development since early in the year has failed once again. It's a shame we can't get some members with real web-site application development expertise to help manage this project for POCA.
Jeff
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On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>> wrote:
I didn't realize there are so many IT people on the list.
--
Will
On 8/20/15 11:42 AM, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
wrote:
> I have been running VMWare for years on my Mac OS. Currently using
> v6.0.4. I setup Windoze 7 so that I could run some software that
> is not available for the Mac (Linux). Setup took about 15min
> including install of the Windoze ISO. It does take up 1gb of memory.
> But I
> have 16gb so it don madder.
> ALL our ground Flight Systems run Solaris 9 or 10 and Linux VM's.
> It's a mix currently. InSight has gone 100% Linux but there are
> issues.
> Linux & LDAP do not work for Team accounts. I wish we had the good 'ol
> NIS host back. Lots of security issues. 'nuf said.
>
> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>
> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>
> to contact us!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
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>
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> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of Asa Jay
> Laughton <[3]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2015 6:41 AM
> To: POCA <[4]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: VMWare
>
> VMware for personal use was a real PITA for years, and expensive. Once
> they came out with VMware Player (for free), it became so much easier.
> I
> now run VMware Player on my Windows machines and have several different
> Linux VMs that I can run anytime I want or need to.
> I've had trouble installing VMware on Linux in order to run Windows
> stuff, but for the most part Wine on Linux seems to work.
> Nearly all hosted servers out there in the wild (like GoGaddy and
> others) are running on VMs. The servers I host are all on VMs. The
> servers my employer hosts are nearly all on VMs. They've come a heckuva
> long way.
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [5]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
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> On 8/20/2015 6:23 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
>
> Will, I am installing some VM ware as I read your post. I see more and
> more
>
> of it each day.
>
> Larry (Novel man) - Cleveland
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: DeTomaso [[8]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf Of Will
> Kooiman
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:55 PM
>
> To: Ed Mendez
>
> Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Should we purchase vintage cars for our
> investment
>
> portfolio?
>
> I liked Solaris too. Proprietary hardware had no future, though. Sun
> was
>
> doomed regardless of Oracle's involvement. The same was true for
>
> DEC/Alpha. Or maybe you could say that DEC was doomed because of Ken
>
> Olsen. Water under the bridge. Doesn't matter.
>
> We're doing everything on Intel/Linux these days. It's a very stable
>
> platform. Plus, we're moving more towards VMWare. I'm not a big fan
> of
>
> VM from an engineering standpoint, but it makes a lot of sense in the
> big
>
> picture.
>
> On 8/19/15, 10:41 PM, "Ed Mendez"<[10]edducati at mac.com<mailto:edducati at mac.com>> wrote:
>
> I received my Sun Solaris Unix System Admin and Network Certificate in
>
> 2000, IMHO They were the greatest makers of Unix RISC based equipment
> and
>
> a rock solid OS.
>
> At one point Sun was just about on the backend of every Fortune 500
>
> company.
>
> and Then...
>
> Larry Ellison F'd it all up.
>
> ORACLE = One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison
>
> A shame. I too lost on Sun shares. Pails in comparison to yours. Sorry
>
> dude.
>
> Ed
>
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 19:18, Will
> Kooiman<[11]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Don^1t even get me started on Sun Microsystems.
>
> I did stock market software for about 6 years. During that time, I was
>
> very active in the stock market. I had a run for about a year where I
>
> made about $850K by day trading. I was right at $1M, so I called it
>
> quits
>
> and bought about $600K in Oracle and about $300K in Sun. And then,
>
> Larry
>
> Ellison fired Ray Lane, and both Oracle and Sun took a dive. A year
>
> later, my $950K was worth about $90K. Numbers are foggy. Don^1t make
> me
>
> look it up. I stopped trading for 2-3 years, and briefly got back into
>
> the market for a slight rebound, but that really drove home the adage,
>
> easy come, easy go.
>
> A few years later, the stock market was soft, so my wife sold some
>
> mutual
>
> funds and bought some art. We can^1t drive it, but we enjoy it. It
>
> might
>
> not be going up in value, but neither was her mutual fund.
>
> So, that^1s how I view collector cars. If you are buying them to store
>
> and
>
> watch them go up in value, you better be damn good or lucky at buying.
>
> If
>
> you plan on spending a lot of time with them, wrenching, washing,
>
> polishing, or preferably driving them, they pay you back in enjoyment.
>
> Nobody ever talks about buying boats for investments. Why does
> everyone
>
> try to make it a big deal with sports cars?
>
> On 8/19/15, 12:21 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."
>
> <[12]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of
> [13]byrdjf at embarqmail.com<mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I had never seen a LOG scale used to show stock price history!
>
> I hope you got the majority of you ESP out!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: DeTomaso [[14]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf Of
> Thomas
>
> Tornblom
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:08 AM
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> To: [15]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Should we purchase vintage cars for our
>
> investment
>
> portfolio?
>
> I joined Sun in Nov 1996 and got on the employee stock purchase program
>
> where we could buy Sun stock for part of our salary, at a 15% discount.
>
> In the years they had normally two 1:2 splits per year.
>
> You can see the stock price at:
> [16]http://k0lee.com/2009/10/sun-also-sets/
>
> I learned after I had bought the car that my wife was not happy about
>
> me
>
> buying it, and beeing male I guess I was blind to any hints to that
>
> effect.
>
> After I explained that if I had kept the Sun Stock it would have only
>
> been
>
> worth about 1/5:th of what the car was worth, and with the recent hike
>
> it
>
> is
>
> now more like 1/10:th.
>
> She's happy now :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Thomas
>
> Den 2015-08-19 14:12, Sean Korb skrev:
>
> I really never thought of it that way... I had very meager
>
> retirement
>
> savings at the time but I bought my Pantera with everything I had,
>
> cashed out in 2000.A It survived both that recession and the next
>
> and
>
> has tripled in value.A Not bad!
>
> But that has nothing to do with why I bought it and still own it
> :)
>
> sean
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:35 AM,
> thomas<[1][17]thomas at hax.se<mailto:thomas at hax.se>> wrote:
>
> I sold most of my Sun Microsystems stock to buy my GT5 in March
>
> 2000. That has turned out to be the best timed deal ever for me.
>
> Thomas
>
> 19 aug 2015 kl. 01:10 skrev Jeff Detrich<[2][18]jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>:
>
> A A If you had used some of your stock portfolio to buy a classic
>
> or
>
> A A vintage car just before the stock market crash, it would have
>
> saved you
>
> A A from losing a lot of money on those assets. Does that count?
>
> A A Jeff
>
> A A On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:03 PM, John Taphorn
>
> A A<[1][3][19]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com<mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>> wrote:
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> A A A This Bloomberg story greeted me at my office this morning.
>
> Here is
>
> A A A one person's opinion on vintage cars as an investment.AA
>
> Would you
>
> A A A agree?
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> A A
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Hi Jeff,
Yeah. We have lots of talent and great guys. Personally, I would love
to jump in, but my problem is that we are 7 months
from Launch with two years work to do. My average work week is 82 hrs.
When we get on the surface I will be on Mars time
and having to turn-around commands in a 8 hr Sol. So I have no
bandwidth in the foreseeable future.
Terry
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
to contact us!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: Jeff Detrich <[2]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, August 21, 2015 7:59 AM
To: Will Kooiman <[3]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Cc: Terry Himes <[4]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Asa Jay Laughton
<[5]asajay at asajay.com>, POCA <[6]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: VMWare
Another new POCA website which has been under development since early
in the year has failed once again. It's a shame we can't get some
members with real web-site application development expertise to help
manage this project for POCA.
Jeff
6559
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Will Kooiman
<[7]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't realize there are so many IT people on the list.
--
Will
On 8/20/15 11:42 AM, "Himes, Terry (397C)"
<[8]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
wrote:
> I have been running VMWare for years on my Mac OS. Currently using
> v6.0.4. I setup Windoze 7 so that I could run some software that
> is not available for the Mac (Linux). Setup took about 15min
> including install of the Windoze ISO. It does take up 1gb of
memory.
> But I
> have 16gb so it don madder.
> ALL our ground Flight Systems run Solaris 9 or 10 and Linux VM's.
> It's a mix currently. InSight has gone 100% Linux but there are
> issues.
> Linux & LDAP do not work for Team accounts. I wish we had the good
'ol
> NIS host back. Lots of security issues. 'nuf said.
>
> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>
> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>
> to contact us!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>
> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>
> [1][9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> From: DeTomaso <[2][10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Asa
Jay
> Laughton <[3][11]asajay at asajay.com>
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2015 6:41 AM
> To: POCA <[4][12]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: VMWare
>
> VMware for personal use was a real PITA for years, and expensive.
Once
> they came out with VMware Player (for free), it became so much
easier.
> I
> now run VMware Player on my Windows machines and have several
different
> Linux VMs that I can run anytime I want or need to.
> I've had trouble installing VMware on Linux in order to run Windows
> stuff, but for the most part Wine on Linux seems to work.
> Nearly all hosted servers out there in the wild (like GoGaddy and
> others) are running on VMs. The servers I host are all on VMs. The
> servers my employer hosts are nearly all on VMs. They've come a
heckuva
> long way.
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [5][13]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> [6][14]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> [7][15]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> On 8/20/2015 6:23 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
>
> Will, I am installing some VM ware as I read your post. I see more
and
> more
>
> of it each day.
>
> Larry (Novel man) - Cleveland
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: DeTomaso [[8]mailto:[16]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
Of Will
> Kooiman
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:55 PM
>
> To: Ed Mendez
>
> Cc: [9][17]detomaso at poca.com
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Should we purchase vintage cars for our
> investment
>
> portfolio?
>
> I liked Solaris too. Proprietary hardware had no future, though.
Sun
> was
>
> doomed regardless of Oracle's involvement. The same was true for
>
> DEC/Alpha. Or maybe you could say that DEC was doomed because of
Ken
>
> Olsen. Water under the bridge. Doesn't matter.
>
> We're doing everything on Intel/Linux these days. It's a very
stable
>
> platform. Plus, we're moving more towards VMWare. I'm not a big
fan
> of
>
> VM from an engineering standpoint, but it makes a lot of sense in
the
> big
>
> picture.
>
> On 8/19/15, 10:41 PM, "Ed Mendez"<[10][18]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
> I received my Sun Solaris Unix System Admin and Network Certificate
in
>
> 2000, IMHO They were the greatest makers of Unix RISC based
equipment
> and
>
> a rock solid OS.
>
> At one point Sun was just about on the backend of every Fortune 500
>
> company.
>
> and Then...
>
> Larry Ellison F'd it all up.
>
> ORACLE = One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison
>
> A shame. I too lost on Sun shares. Pails in comparison to yours.
Sorry
>
> dude.
>
> Ed
>
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 19:18, Will
> Kooiman<[11][19]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Don^1t even get me started on Sun Microsystems.
>
> I did stock market software for about 6 years. During that time, I
was
>
> very active in the stock market. I had a run for about a year
where I
>
> made about $850K by day trading. I was right at $1M, so I called
it
>
> quits
>
> and bought about $600K in Oracle and about $300K in Sun. And then,
>
> Larry
>
> Ellison fired Ray Lane, and both Oracle and Sun took a dive. A
year
>
> later, my $950K was worth about $90K. Numbers are foggy. Don^1t
make
> me
>
> look it up. I stopped trading for 2-3 years, and briefly got back
into
>
> the market for a slight rebound, but that really drove home the
adage,
>
> easy come, easy go.
>
> A few years later, the stock market was soft, so my wife sold some
>
> mutual
>
> funds and bought some art. We can^1t drive it, but we enjoy it.
It
>
> might
>
> not be going up in value, but neither was her mutual fund.
>
> So, that^1s how I view collector cars. If you are buying them to
store
>
> and
>
> watch them go up in value, you better be damn good or lucky at
buying.
>
> If
>
> you plan on spending a lot of time with them, wrenching, washing,
>
> polishing, or preferably driving them, they pay you back in
enjoyment.
>
> Nobody ever talks about buying boats for investments. Why does
> everyone
>
> try to make it a big deal with sports cars?
>
> On 8/19/15, 12:21 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."
>
> <[12][20]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
> [13][21]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> I had never seen a LOG scale used to show stock price history!
>
> I hope you got the majority of you ESP out!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: DeTomaso [[14]mailto:[22]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
Of
> Thomas
>
> Tornblom
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:08 AM
>
> To: [15][23]detomaso at poca.com
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Should we purchase vintage cars for our
>
> investment
>
> portfolio?
>
> I joined Sun in Nov 1996 and got on the employee stock purchase
program
>
> where we could buy Sun stock for part of our salary, at a 15%
discount.
>
> In the years they had normally two 1:2 splits per year.
>
> You can see the stock price at:
> [16][24]http://k0lee.com/2009/10/sun-also-sets/
>
> I learned after I had bought the car that my wife was not happy
about
>
> me
>
> buying it, and beeing male I guess I was blind to any hints to that
>
> effect.
>
> After I explained that if I had kept the Sun Stock it would have
only
>
> been
>
> worth about 1/5:th of what the car was worth, and with the recent
hike
>
> it
>
> is
>
> now more like 1/10:th.
>
> She's happy now :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Thomas
>
> Den 2015-08-19 14:12, Sean Korb skrev:
>
> I really never thought of it that way... I had very meager
>
> retirement
>
> savings at the time but I bought my Pantera with everything I
had,
>
> cashed out in 2000.A It survived both that recession and the
next
>
> and
>
> has tripled in value.A Not bad!
>
> But that has nothing to do with why I bought it and still own
it
> :)
>
> sean
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:35 AM,
> thomas<[1][17][25]thomas at hax.se> wrote:
>
> I sold most of my Sun Microsystems stock to buy my GT5 in
March
>
> 2000. That has turned out to be the best timed deal ever for
me.
>
> Thomas
>
> 19 aug 2015 kl. 01:10 skrev Jeff
Detrich<[2][18][26]jjdetrich at gmail.com>:
>
> A A If you had used some of your stock portfolio to buy a classic
>
> or
>
> A A vintage car just before the stock market crash, it would have
>
> saved you
>
> A A from losing a lot of money on those assets. Does that count?
>
> A A Jeff
>
> A A On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:03 PM, John Taphorn
>
> A A<[1][3][19][27]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> wrote:
>
> A A A This Bloomberg story greeted me at my office this morning.
>
> Here is
>
> A A A one person's opinion on vintage cars as an investment.AA
>
> Would you
>
> A A A agree?
>
> A A
>
> A
>
>
[2][4][20][28]http://www.fa-mag.com/news/why-a-classic-car-is--almost--
neve
> r-
>
> a-
>
> A A
>
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