[DeTomaso] New Shocks

Wed Apr 8 19:21:40 EDT 2015

Mike,

I have no problem if you want to pay a vendor another $400 or so bucks for a few metal bits of over engineered solution to accompany your shocks :>) 

You only need them because you are mating an imperial sized shock rod end (0.5 inch = 12.7mm dia.) to a metric bolt (M12 = 12mm dia.), a 1/2" drill will negate the need for that in a few seconds, just drill the chassis shock mounting holes to 1/2", get the appropriate length imperial bolt and you can use simple spacers either side of the shock.

If you really are pedantic about not drilling your pristine Pantera because you are in the "one day I will need to put it back to stock to send my kid to college" school, then you can source some thin wall 0.5" OD tubing and run a 12mm drill down it to create a shock mount length bushing that will sit between bolt and shock. Then use std 0.5" ID spacers over that either side of the shock.

Alternatively I see a future product line for someone like Scott at SACC Restorations or Marlin Jack.......

Julian

CC: cuvee at sbcglobal.net; detomaso at poca.com
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Shocks
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 14:10:09 -0700
To: julian_kift at hotmail.com

Julian,
It's a bit more complicated than that. The Carrera/QA1 spacers are machined to index inside the rod ends and are very precise in all dimensions. Overall length, metric ID, and standard OD of the index flange are all critical. 

It would take quite some effort to attempt to make these on your own. These are Pantera-specific and sold along with the shocks when you buy them from the vendors. If you buy bare shocks from Summit, you are on your own. I happen to have eight of them left over. The one on the bottom in the middle shows signs of slight brutalization needed to get it to fit in a replacement front lower ballpoint that was ever so slightly thicker than the original one. 
Mike

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On Apr 8, 2015, at 13:21, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

Depends which ones you purchase, they are avilable in bushed (rod end) or poly versions. But it really is just a little bit of cut tubing spacer each side to keep the rod end version centred in the mounting.

Julian

From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 16:05:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Shocks
To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; cuvee at sbcglobal.net; detomaso at poca.com

In a message dated 4/8/15 11:20:11 AM, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:

Carrera was purchased by QA1 in 2004, the QA1's are great shocks for the money IMO, I have them on both Pantera's and the GT40. Single adjustable readily available from Summit Racing at $160 ea. or pay $240 and get the double adjustable. Springs are $35-40, so you can afford to try a couple different spring rates before settling on what you like.

>>>The Summit shocks don't include the necessary bushings to adapt them to the Pantera suspension mounts, do they?   The ones I had used rod ends with bushings, like the Konis.   Or do your shocks have integral rubber or poly bushings like the stock shocks?

Mike 		 	   		  

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   Mike,

   I have no problem if you want to pay a vendor another $400 or so bucks
   for a few metal bits of over engineered solution to accompany your
   shocks :>)

   You only need them because you are mating an imperial sized shock rod
   end (0.5 inch = 12.7mm dia.) to a metric bolt (M12 = 12mm dia.), a 1/2"
   drill will negate the need for that in a few seconds, just drill the
   chassis shock mounting holes to 1/2", get the appropriate length
   imperial bolt and you can use simple spacers either side of the shock.

   If you really are pedantic about not drilling your pristine Pantera
   because you are in the "one day I will need to put it back to stock to
   send my kid to college" school, then you can source some thin wall 0.5"
   OD tubing and run a 12mm drill down it to create a shock mount length
   bushing that will sit between bolt and shock. Then use std 0.5" ID
   spacers over that either side of the shock.

   Alternatively I see a future product line for someone like Scott at
   SACC Restorations or Marlin Jack.......

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   CC: cuvee at sbcglobal.net; detomaso at poca.com
   From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Shocks
   Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 14:10:09 -0700
   To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
   Julian,
   It's a bit more complicated than that. The Carrera/QA1 spacers are
   machined to index inside the rod ends and are very precise in all
   dimensions. Overall length, metric ID, and standard OD of the index
   flange are all critical.
   image.jpeg
   It would take quite some effort to attempt to make these on your own.
   These are Pantera-specific and sold along with the shocks when you buy
   them from the vendors. If you buy bare shocks from Summit, you are on
   your own. I happen to have eight of them left over. The one on the
   bottom in the middle shows signs of slight brutalization needed to get
   it to fit in a replacement front lower ballpoint that was ever so
   slightly thicker than the original one.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Apr 8, 2015, at 13:21, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:

   Depends which ones you purchase, they are avilable in bushed (rod end)
   or poly versions. But it really is just a little bit of cut tubing
   spacer each side to keep the rod end version centred in the mounting.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: [2]MikeLDrew at aol.com
   Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 16:05:54 -0400
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Shocks
   To: [3]julian_kift at hotmail.com; [4]cuvee at sbcglobal.net;
   [5]detomaso at poca.com
   In a message dated 4/8/15 11:20:11 AM, [6]julian_kift at hotmail.com
   writes:

     Carrera was purchased by QA1 in 2004, the QA1's are great shocks for
     the money IMO, I have them on both Pantera's and the GT40. Single
     adjustable readily available from Summit Racing at $160 ea. or pay
     $240 and get the double adjustable. Springs are $35-40, so you can
     afford to try a couple different spring rates before settling on
     what you like.

   >>>The Summit shocks don't include the necessary bushings to adapt them
   to the Pantera suspension mounts, do they?  The ones I had used rod
   ends with bushings, like the Konis.  Or do your shocks have integral
   rubber or poly bushings like the stock shocks?
   Mike

References

   1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
   3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   4. mailto:cuvee at sbcglobal.net
   5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   6. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
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